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It's theory time! :cool:

About the Syndicate

First of all, lets hear Mr. Mos who is a member of Ulysses' board of directors.

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Well... According to Mr. Mos, they are nothing but a small anarchist group. What if they are not? :unsure:

Contrary to popular opinion I think the Syndicate is some kind of a secret service like C.I.A. and K.G.B., it's neither a small anarchist group nor a guerrilla-type militia force. I don't think they are a very crowded organization, though. Probably a tiny team of a few hundred people. Are they working under someone's orders or are they independent? It is uncertain at this point. But I think one thing is certain that their main objective is gathering informations all around the Eternum for helping Orion.

Also they must know the true nature of Eternum and must be aware of The Founder's real plans. Otherwise why would they want to help Orion? This would be quite counterintuitive. But how did they know about these? Who told them? There're so many questions that need to be answered.

Another question. Are they NPCs or real players? I think they are NPCs, namely rogue NPCs like Thanatos. They are not controlled by Ulysses, and they are conscious of their own existence. This explains that little messenger girl in EP4. Because we already know people under 18 years old can not play Eternum.


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Even if they are not an independent organization, they must have a leader. In order to do their job successfully, secret services need to work in coordination and this is only possible with a good leadership. I certainly think we met the leader in EP2. She told us she is just a member of the Syndicate, but I really didn't buy that. I know it's not often that the leaders of the secret services work in the field. Though, Eternum is not the real world. Besides we are talking about NPCs, not real players. They don't have to follow real-life rules.

There is an another mysterious woman in EP7, too. She wears the same outfit with the leader. Could they be the same person? I doesn't seem so. Because she doesn't wear that "Star of David" necklace, and doesn't have those green tattoos on her face. Also their facial structures look quite different. There should be some dissimilarities that distinguish the leader from ordinary members.


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There is no doubt that the Syndicate is one of the game's greatest mysteries, and they're going to be super important.

Another reason to look forward to future episodes, eh? :p
a few hundred members is not tiny... :D

that little girl might not be a member of the syndicate. she could simply be a controlled NPC that was taken over with the cube device.

the two mysterious women look like the same person but at a different age :D though it's not possible, unless there is a device to change your appearance... or a potion... :D the existence of the polyjuice potions makes appearance analysis kind of useless at this point. if they are organized, it would be easy for the syndicate to get potions.

we just need more information.
 
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a few hundred members is not tiny... :D

that little girl might not be a member of the syndicate. she could simply be a controlled NPC that was taken over with the cube device.

the two mysterious women look like the same person but at a different age :D though it's not possible, unless there is a device to change your appearance... or a potion... :D the existence of the polyjuice potions makes appearance analysis kind of useless at this point. if they are organized, it would be easy for the syndicate to get potions.

we just need more information.
If you're postulating easy access to polyjuice potions, why not take the extra step to access to doppelmorphers? Maybe the syndicate has only 1 member... :p
 

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that little girl might not be a member of the syndicate. she could simply be a controlled NPC that was taken over with the cube device.
Game frames her as a member tho, given that she's the image that pops up when Nan talks about the group during the 0.5 meetup...

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Isn't the ending absolutely breathtaking? :HideThePain:
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Well if he wanted people holding their breath for the 0.8 he got it right... Damn, what an ending I'm still in shock, though I felt something ominuos was bound to happen, but really I didn't think I would have hit the bullsye...
And that image is... LOL I dig it....:HideThePain::HideThePain:
 

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Well if he wanted people holding their breath for the 0.8 he got it right... Damn, what an ending I'm still in shock, though I felt something ominuos was bound to happen, but really I didn't think I would have hit the bullsye...
Well, it is part of the plan...

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The good news though is that there (hopefully) won't be any worse cliffhanger waiting for us in 0.8...

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However...

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So yeah, next update could be a breather of sorts in terms of cliffhangers, though it's still probably going to be bad...but hopefully not as bad as this one and what awaits us in 0.9 or 0.10. :HideThePain:
 

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Well, it is part of the plan...

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The good news though is that there (hopefully) won't be any worse cliffhanger waiting for us in 0.8...

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However...

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So yeah, next update could be a breather of sorts in terms of cliffhangers, though it's still probably going to be bad...but hopefully not as bad as this one and what awaits us in 0.9 or 0.10. :HideThePain:
All these Cliffhangers man, Cari is really trying to drive us insane with them :HideThePain:
 

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Well, it is part of the plan...

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The good news though is that there (hopefully) won't be any worse cliffhanger waiting for us in 0.8...

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However...

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So yeah, next update could be a breather of sorts in terms of cliffhangers, though it's still probably going to be bad...but hopefully not as bad as this one and what awaits us in 0.9 or 0.10. :HideThePain:
I could be wrong but I think that from now on thing will escalate pretty heavily, regardless of how many things Cari can pack for every update, it was hinted before but now the game will become deadly serious.
It will keep the light touches and the irony for sure ( that's his style), but from now on the message is clear, you mess it you'll pay the consequences, and I really like rhis approach.
Tha games was always more deep than appeared at first glance, but now it's starting to taking the directions Cari always intended ( I think at least). :) :)
 

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I could be wrong but I think that from now on thing will escalate pretty heavily, regardless of how many things Cari can pack for every update, it was hinted before but now the game will become deadly serious.
It will keep the light touches and the irony for sure ( that's his style), but from now on the message is clear, you mess it you'll pay the consequences, and I really like rhis approach.
Tha games was always more deep than appeared at first glance, but now it's starting to taking the directions Cari always intended ( I think at least). :) :)
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Isn't the ending absolutely breathtaking? :HideThePain:
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honestly, the cliffhanger loses a lot of its power when on luna's path, as she has a vision of the future being either a potential threesome or normal daily life depending on annie's path. without it, the possibilities could be wider.
 

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honestly, the cliffhanger loses a lot of its power when on luna's path, as she has a vision of the future being either a potential threesome or normal daily life depending on annie's path. without it, the possibilities could be wider.
It already lost a lot of its power given the kind of story this game is telling. Like, it's been hammered since 0.2 that the dead don't stay dead in this setting, so why should Orion?
 

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After the cliffhanger I kind of lowkey wish for Orion to stay dead and have to live in Eternum like Thanthos or what his name is. But I know that would probably ruin the game for alot of players. Maybe even me down the road since I do prefer the real world over the Eternum worlds.
 

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Caribdis and his team won't make said patch because of Patreon ToS. That means someone else, not linked to the dev team.
However, the story is structured in such a way that making all those changes would turn it into a sloppy mess. Annie isn't even American. Why would Orion's father take only him to the UK and leave his other 2 'daughters' behind?
I don't see the point of trying to make this game an incest one when the plot doesn't easily accomodate such changes.
i'm not into incest stuff, but it would be pretty easy to explain that. it's not rare for kids to choose their preferred parent in a divorce, or for parents to force their kids to follow them. also Annie could be MC's half sister, and their dad could just have had a lover in the UK who he impregnated around the same time as MC was conceived. Nancy found out. divorce. Dad moves out to the UK with his lover and son, as he doesn't care about his daughters, or the daughters preferred their mother and the son didn't really choose. but Nancy, Penny and Dalia accepting Annie in their home would be a different story. Nancy could be understanding that it's not Annie's fault and she is innocent, and MC cares about his half sister enough that Nancy wants to make him happy and have her in her home too.

Not with the Penny flashback in the Reminiscifuckthiswordseriously it isn't, since it significantly makes the incest modder's life harder by giving them the task of explaining why Orion is the only kid who ends up leaving with his dad and why Nan and the girls would simply be okay with that and not show grief for it in the flashback.
in the flashback, MC and the dad haven't left yet. so no, it wouldn't be really difficult.

I think this is the second time pizza isn't eaten. Alex and the protagonist were going to call a pizza delivery before baldy Billy and his escorts invited themselves into Alex's flat iirc. And now this time after having a sexy time with Nova.
technically, the pizza delivery guy was on his way during the Alex cliffhanger scene. So he could have arrived afterwards when MC stayed the night. :p
Nova won't get pizza though ! no delivery guy, and no take out :D well, MC got taken out instead xD

Yeah, but there's "We're in a casual relationship and haven't had a conversation about whether we're exclusive" skeeze (Nancy, Penelope, Alex, Dalia) and there's "This girl is clearly very serious about this relationship and I'm not telling her" skeeze (Nova, Luna, Annie). Especially since Nancy straight up asks him if he's fooling around with other women and he says no. That's fucked up and while I think Caribdis is going to do something with that over the next few chapters in this one it just feels gross.
except for Luna and Nova, the others want or ask MC to keep it secret. Nova could also kind of want it because she knows Penny has a crush on MC, and she doesn't reveal openly and explicitly her own feelings to Penny. Luna is also very shy, so she would want to keep it very discreet and private at least. she literally tears her hand away from MC's when annie comes in the cafe. Alex only said it out loud to Dalia because the later was unconscious.
Nancy did say to her gym teacher that she is open to sharing. but who will be the first to bring it up ?
Bets are off !! :D

If you're postulating easy access to polyjuice potions, why not take the extra step to access to doppelmorphers? Maybe the syndicate has only 1 member... :p
not easy access for everyone, just for that kind of powerful underground organization. it's about having an endless supply. but just enough that it is relevant when trying to uncover clues. it's also a potion, so the recipe is known. the ingredients are harder to come by, but not impossible as even chop chop and wenlin could have access to them.
Alex's powersare a completely different thing. explicitly told to be very rare. and the actual acquisition method was not specified, so it could be publicly unknown.

Game frames her as a member tho, given that she's the image that pops up when Nan talks about the group during the 0.5 meetup...

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I think that's your interpretation only. nothing conclusive. it's only a picture to remind us about the syndicate, not a confirmation of actual membership. because if it was, Nancy would have the identity of that girl.
 

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It already lost a lot of its power given the kind of story this game is telling. Like, it's been hammered since 0.2 that the dead don't stay dead in this setting, so why should Orion?
without luna's vision, he could be stuck in astral form for example, he could become like thanatos, he could be stuck in limbo for a very long time and only interact with the outside world through image projections only, etc. tons of possibilities. and the dead in the normal earth stay dead, though. Alex's grandma wasn't seen in eternum, yet, for example. only those that die in eternum potentially become NPCs. and we don't know if it's a sure thing or a random happenstance.
 

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Agreed.

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What IF souls are not limited by dimension? if Eternum(the game) is simply a tool for mentally traversing the multiverse, and the place of limbo is where souls wait to be "respawned" after death, and the founder discovered a way to keep souls who die in the eternum from finding their way back to limbo as well as how to bind and chain souls in limbo such as the great lady of Eternum herself, THEN maybe Orion's death at the end of chapter 7 will allow him to return from limbo with the memories of all of his previous lives in multiple deminsions/servers, giving him an edge on finding and retreaving things and allowing him to see the landscape of eternum not from the ground per say, but as an arial view where he finally understands how all things connect and he also becomes much more formidable because he remembers every type of fighting/weapons training and skill he ever had in any past life...
 

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What IF souls are not limited by dimension? if Eternum(the game) is simply a tool for mentally traversing the multiverse, and the place of limbo is where souls wait to be "respawned" after death, and the founder discovered a way to keep souls who die in the eternum from finding their way back to limbo as well as how to bind and chain souls in limbo such as the great lady of Eternum herself, THEN maybe Orion's death at the end of chapter 7 will allow him to return from limbo with the memories of all of his previous lives in multiple deminsions/servers, giving him an edge on finding and retreaving things and allowing him to see the landscape of eternum not from the ground per say, but as an arial view where he finally understands how all things connect and he also becomes much more formidable because he remembers every type of fighting/weapons training and skill he ever had in any past life...
I would say that it's possible, for now we only have bits and pieces that Cary dropped every now and then without a clear explanation.
We must wait and see, one thing is certain he gave us enogh hype for the next update too, can't wait to see. :)
 
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What IF souls are not limited by dimension? if Eternum(the game) is simply a tool for mentally traversing the multiverse, and the place of limbo is where souls wait to be "respawned" after death, and the founder discovered a way to keep souls who die in the eternum from finding their way back to limbo as well as how to bind and chain souls in limbo such as the great lady of Eternum herself, THEN maybe Orion's death at the end of chapter 7 will allow him to return from limbo with the memories of all of his previous lives in multiple deminsions/servers, giving him an edge on finding and retreaving things and allowing him to see the landscape of eternum not from the ground per say, but as an arial view where he finally understands how all things connect and he also becomes much more formidable because he remembers every type of fighting/weapons training and skill he ever had in any past life...
you mean like Neo in the matrix ? xD
 
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