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AstRider was completely transparent on their Discord through the entire process, Patreon received a legitimate copyright complaint about Fairy Trainer; shutting down a project that already brought them a lot of grief when encountering even more trouble is understandable.

For the people talking about copyright:
"Why can't this game be okay when [other game] has existed for [length of time]?"
It's up to the copyright holder of the relevant IP whether or not to take action. Some projects fly under the radar, and some are decided to be too small to worry about. There are various factors which might make a copyright owner more likely to take action, and Fairy Trainer definitely had some of those at play here.

"Parody is protected, so this is copyright abuse!"
While parody can be a protected use, there are a few things that complicate this. First off, taking an existing IP and making it porn does not cross the threshold into legally protected parody (this is established case law). Secondarily, fair use is an argument you can make to a court, not some kind of shield that's automatically granted. Because Fairy Trainer used names, likenesses, and exact copies of copyrighted media, it's pretty safe to say the IP owner made a valid claim here.
 

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AstRider was completely transparent on their Discord through the entire process, Patreon received a legitimate copyright complaint about Fairy Trainer; shutting down a project that already brought them a lot of grief when encountering even more trouble is understandable.

For the people talking about copyright:
"Why can't this game be okay when [other game] has existed for [length of time]?"
It's up to the copyright holder of the relevant IP whether or not to take action. Some projects fly under the radar, and some are decided to be too small to worry about. There are various factors which might make a copyright owner more likely to take action, and Fairy Trainer definitely had some of those at play here.

"Parody is protected, so this is copyright abuse!"
While parody can be a protected use, there are a few things that complicate this. First off, taking an existing IP and making it porn does not cross the threshold into legally protected parody (this is established case law). Secondarily, fair use is an argument you can make to a court, not some kind of shield that's automatically granted. Because Fairy Trainer used names, likenesses, and exact copies of copyrighted media, it's pretty safe to say the IP owner made a valid claim here.
Now that i think of it couldnt the whole fairy trainer be simply revamped with a different story and names whilst still having all the characters and work to a certain extent remain intact? Like they were transported somewhere, figuring it out, starting anew bla bla bla other plot points and what not, essentially making it some sort of mystery isekai with fairy tail or perhaps even some original characters or from other anime, like what isekai quartet did. We can still have the same male mc with the same cast of characters and scenes of course they will be tweaked to fit in the new story but essentially most of the work is already there.
From this we can also have some cool game elements like choosing sides, balancing powers so one does not end up annihilating other, some managing stuff with resources areas that would come under attack bla bla theres quite a lot you could add in it
 

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That's how hard it's to be a DEV, having to deal with people like these all day, he's doing it in a "public place" which is my discord server, now imagine how many of these I have already dealt with in private?

I was thinking of opening a poll on Patreon to decide on the protagonist changes, putting a male protagonist and Lucyiely accompanying him on the journey, I was going to give the ability to steal abilities/shape to the protagonist -which was Luciely's- but after this episode, my pride tells me to just go with the plans I already had and make the game full female protagonist.
I don't think this has anything to do with pride anymore, I just don't want to give this dude and many other "assholes" the feeling that they got what they wanted.
I'm sorry for you guys who won't appreciate the female protagonist, I wanted to fetch a game that everyone would enjoy. I was inclined to listen to everyone and decide this with patrons and friends like I ALWAYS do but this time it won't happen.
So are you asking us to lynch a guy for you?
for making you change your game plans out of spite...
because he dared to do some free market analysis research for you?

... well, I will pass. good luck on your next game.
 
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KingWeWuz

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I'm sorry to hear you felt upset about the way your fans are talking to you, but on the bright side shouldn't you be somewhat happy people are so passionate about the games you develop? If people didn't care they'd just silently ignore all your announcements and not care what kind of game you're making. Just trying to give you the bright side in all this.
 

Mei Lien~

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I'm sorry to hear you felt upset about the way your fans are talking to you, but on the bright side shouldn't you be somewhat happy people are so passionate about the games you develop? If people didn't care they'd just silently ignore all your announcements and not care what kind of game you're making. Just trying to give you the bright side in all this.
So are you asking us to lynch a guy for you?
for making you change your game plans out of spite...
because he dared to do some free market analysis research for you?

... well, I will pass. good luck on your next game.
If that's the impression you got, I'll remove the post... I'm NOT here to "lynch" nor tell people to do it... Honestly, I'm going to take a break from social media, I need to take a break... it's probably the stress of everyday life.
 
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If that's the impression you got, I'll remove the post... I'm NOT here to "lynch" nor tell people to do it... Honestly, I'm going to take a break from social media, I need to take a break... it's probably the stress of everyday life.
Don't let him get it to you, seriously that answer is just really toxic overall. And taking a break from socialmedia is the single most healthy thing you can do right now.
 

Makkun

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I'm sorry to hear you felt upset about the way your fans are talking to you, but on the bright side shouldn't you be somewhat happy people are so passionate about the games you develop? If people didn't care they'd just silently ignore all your announcements and not care what kind of game you're making. Just trying to give you the bright side in all this.
There is a difference between giving suggestions and/or comments and being an asshole, from what I can see here, the guy wanted Dev to make the game the way he wanted, ignoring what Dev had planned for the game!

This is very toxic behavior, you know? And if you defend that kind of person, it just means you're probably just as toxic or just misinformed.
 
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KingWeWuz

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And on that note, I'd ask the people who don't like what I've said to put me on ignore, as I will be leaving the thread and don't want to bother you again.
 

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There is a difference between giving suggestions and/or comments and being an asshole, from what I can see here, the guy wanted Dev to make the game the way he wanted, ignoring what Dev had planned for the game!

This is very toxic behavior, you know? And if you defend that kind of person, it just means you're probably just as toxic or just misinformed.
I gotta say that he worded it nicely enough to almost be unable to misunderstood but guess some people are either so exhausted from all the hentai games stored on their drives that someone misread it for something else
 

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either its a misstagged male protag game or its ntr looking at the first screenshot. either way not for me
 

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either its a misstagged male protag game or its ntr looking at the first screenshot. either way not for me
Even if NTR get any route, OFC it would be optional (I'm not into it myself). And no, that's the MC transformation. You will find tons of sex scenes with monster skin (from the MC skill). If you don't like monsters, so that's probably not 4u. :)
 

mrttao

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Even if NTR get any route, OFC it would be optional (I'm not into it myself). And no, that's the MC transformation. You will find tons of sex scenes with monster skin (from the MC skill). If you don't like monsters, so that's probably not 4u. :)
So the MC is a male who has a magic spell that turns him into an orc? and he sometimes uses it to have sex with women?
 

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So the MC is a male who has a magic spell that turns him into an orc? and he sometimes uses it to have sex with women?
Just as simples as it seems. I've changed the MC as you guys requested but maintained scenes and some of the plot already written. Normally I do let most things optional but Lucy will be a constant victim of his powers because of hers skill conditions. (You will understand better if you play anyway)
 
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