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there, there's where I see it
that alone is enough to make me skeptical about ever buying this even though I was thinking about it the first time I saw the game, being impressed by the graphical quality
Unreal Engine Fallen Doll: Operation Lovecraft [v0.4.9 Cracked] [Project Helius]
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that alone is enough to make me skeptical about ever buying this even though I was thinking about it the first time I saw the game, being impressed by the graphical quality
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The lack of transparency is in the fact that ProjectH gave no distinction between a Closed Beta Test and Early Access through public announcement channels. Generally the words "Early Access" indicate an Alpha/Beta of the final product.
The only time ProjectH has mentioned this distinction is in random posts on the Discord server.
If they have mentioned this distinction in a public announcement, please link it and I will gladly admit I was wrong.
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Or people simply don't like the direction the game is going. I liked the original concept, an always online MMO sex game on the other hand doesn't interest me at all. I'd love to hear what og Fallen Doll backers think about what it turned into.
And as someone who has been watching since the original game they have been incredibly bad at communicating anything about the game until pretty recently.
Except "og" backers matter very little in the greater scheme of things. This is a business and not a charity. Project H need to appeal to what ever makes their business grow and their current direction is doing that well. Their point is to generate content to make money. They have attracted talent from from Ubisoft, Activision, and others from all over the world. Money is the point; not pleasing their original backers. 20 "og" people are not valued compared to 20,000 current people bringing in an income so they can work on their dream.
People that fund this are patrons, not buyers of a product. You should go in expecting to get nothing in return. There have been many scams from Kickstarter, IndieGoGo, and Patreon. In my eyes, this has been a very successful campaign.Google's definition of a Patron said:
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What dream? You just said the only point of the game is to generate as much money as possible.
Honestly I'm just trying to understand why you're arguing in favor of them so hard. You love a company that you acknowledge doesn't care about its customers at all, you treat them like struggling indie devs trying to live the dream while defending every slimy corporate decision and shady behind the scenes deal they make, it's a mystery.
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That is the point of any company. Again, they are not a charity.
Because they make a nice product in a very niche market.
No, you didn't read my words. If the 20 "og" wanted something and they other 300 didn't, then the originals shouldn't get their way. It doesn't make economical sense to push away the other 300. A company should go in the direction that the majority want the product to go in. The majority are very content with harem mode. That is validated due to their patron count going up. Basically their opinion is "fuck the few who don't care." Honestly, this will convert a few pirates that really want this and the others didnt want it enough are left out. Oh well.
They are indie devs, not EA. If they suddenly loose 5k patrons then they are suddenly letting staff go. EA has deep pockets and can survive. They have not made any shady decisions that I can recall. projectheliu is very up front and gives updates every few days and nearly every patron is content with the direction that the game is going in. Most of the complaints are on this forum and I'm willing to bet almost everyone here isn't a patron and is just upset that they lost their free game.
That's kinda my impression. For the record, I haven't subbed to their patreon for most of the hiatus, just 2 subs for the skins I wanted, the rest was my sub for the key a while ago. It's not like I'm a huge PH supporter, but the amount of bickering here is insane.
Sure. How about the freaking FAQ.The lack of transparency is in the fact that ProjectH gave no distinction between a Closed Beta Test and Early Access through public announcement channels. Generally the words "Early Access" indicate an Alpha/Beta of the final product.
The only time ProjectH has mentioned this distinction is in random posts on the Discord server.
If they have mentioned this distinction in a public announcement, please link it and I will gladly admit I was wrong.
" 16.Question: Will I get a closed beta key? / How are the closed beta keys distributed? Answer: Currently, we have no determined way of distributing the closed beta keys. We're awaiting Steam's greenlight, including an amount of keys to distribute."
It was always supposed to start as CBT, not EA.
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It's like every single possible criticism of PH is met with canned responses of "money is always right", "you're probably a mad pirate", or "even if you aren't a pirate your opinion doesn't matter anyway". You've created this scenario where PH is always right and anyone who disagrees with anything they do is always wrong regardless of who they are or their specific grievance. Like if I lived somewhere with spotty internet and losing connectivity is my specific problem with the direction they took the game "Patreon is going up so clearly nobody who pays has that problem, if you're not paying you're probably a pirate, and either way your opinion doesn't matter because the majority don't share it".
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I'm all for criticizing PH, but the point is: what is there to criticize?
They've been providing monthly game updates up to the cutoff point of building a beta for Steam release.
At that point you can have two choices:
1) bicker endlessly calling PH shady because they're not providing a new patch, even though you know they're just trying to focus on a single, large build, to send to Steam for CBT launch. All this completely ignoring that, knowing that the game public release has been left sitting, PH has at least provided regular updates on their discord.
And you don't have to be an active patreon to get in the discord, I was subbed for a time, got the mail, entered and just kept track of things since.
2) accept the hiatus knowing that something bigger is coming and this stuff requires a lot of time because porn games and mainstream stores are a dangerous mix, especially in 2021.
If they drop the ball and it just turns out they've lied to us, I'll be first in line with a pitchfork. I've dumped a full AAA game worth of money on this, so I'd be noticeably pissed. But, looking at how things are going, I expect that by Q4 we'll all (paying users, at least) be playing a fresh, huge new build.
All I'm saying is that for the time being there's no reason to pick up torches and pitchforks: they're doing all that is in their power, building another beta branch makes no sense, they need a polished build for the launch and it's much smoother to just work on ONE launch build, that to work on monthly builds + the main build.
Yes, that is correct; capitalism. You want them to operate a different way and that doesn't benefit the projectheliu team. They are out to make money and if wasn't that way then it most likely would be an open source github project, if they even had interest in still developing it. But that isn't how it is because they are in it for their enjoyment and money.
You want them to stick to the old school, always offline mode. That would work but then people would keep cracking it. People warned that guy, that his auto-cracker would result in this, and it did. When funog1 and BupoTiling03-Retired cracked the game, they always gave one week, out of respect for projectheliu. This allowed the company to still profit off people who really wanted the latest release and didn't want to wait for a cracked version. Obviously projectheliu knows of this forum and they have acknowledged it on Discord. The timing of the harem mode offer, from the Japanese company, was perfect for implementing DRM.
I want this company to proper and keep developing. The more funds they have to do so means this project will have a lot more scenes. If the project goes, in a way I don't agree with, I'll vote to change it. If it continues, then I can just cancel my patronage. Simple as that.
If you've read, in its entirety, this and the original thread then you would be familiar with the above history.
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You're delusional if you think that the existence of an auto cracker specifically is the reason they went down the route of online only content.
You're delusional if you think it's not part of the reason. He didn't say it was the ONLY reason, but it's a great one.
And honestly who could fault them? Nobody works for free.
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When it come to patreon product, it is depend on point of view, no one totally right, no one totally wrong. When you gave money to patreon dev, it is a donation because in the end you not paying for the end product, thus not "buying" it. So it is depending on people.
When you throwing out your money, you expect something in return, it is normal, some people could just happy with:"hey they update on discord/web/patreon....., some new short gameplay videos, some new picture, and a wall of text talking about new thing,..."; and some other people will:"hey i paid, why i only saw some video, picture, i want new version to play, etc...." well they are also not wrong either, they gave their money and they expect a product - even if it is not complete - to play, not some stiff picture or a short gameplay video that they can't do anything but watch. So depend on people.
When you throwing out your money, you expect something in return, it is normal, some people could just happy with:"hey they update on discord/web/patreon....., some new short gameplay videos, some new picture, and a wall of text talking about new thing,..."; and some other people will:"hey i paid, why i only saw some video, picture, i want new version to play, etc...." well they are also not wrong either, they gave their money and they expect a product - even if it is not complete - to play, not some stiff picture or a short gameplay video that they can't do anything but watch. So depend on people.
Now careful with this way of thinking there, it could doom you. More money doesn't mean they are obliged to make more for you. And to you, you can cancel your patronage and doesn't care anymore, but to other it is an insult, and they have right to feel insult. So you can stop forced your way of view on other people, cuz no one totally right, no one totally wrong
It's a major reason and it's been discussed in their Discord. Do you really think they want to let people have their product for free? They develop this for money and people take it for nothing. Come on now.
Nguyen Viet Thai, and they have done so every month. They have been providing access to outfits. They also covered their selves by offering the retail key for $36 USD worth of total patron subs. But with all the failed kickstarter, IndieGoGo, and Patreon campaigns that failed, it's very obvious that it's only up to the campaign to try. Even if you read the terms of service, you'll find that.
As for more money, they have been showing how they use that. When they got so far, they brought on Ubisoft devs and not too long ago they brought on Activision devs. They have artist in at least three different continents. Before all of that, they purchased the movie industry grade motion capture equipment and hired a team to do the work. During the pandemic they relocated the equipment to Tokyo, Japan. I've been watching this company for many years and I may not know their entire history but I've seen quite a bit.
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And........some outfits.......i know this but again, this is not a new version with something actually new for other to play, some will complain, and they are not wrong either.
I also don't care about you watched this company or that company for years, did you oversee them or just see thing on internet??, i will not have faith and trust that fast but again it is just me. So i mostly stand on neutral ground
They are not obligated to provide a new version every single month. The only obligation they have, per Patreon, is to show that some progress has been attempted/made. They are fulfilling that obligation frequently via Patreon and every few days on Discord. And almost no one is complaining about not having a new version to play. Nearly every complaint is coming from this forum.
Excuse me, but where did you see the game here at all? This craft (although well executed) is just a set of animated sex scenes and nothing more. This is all they were able to do before the 0.34 version. This game will be a milking machine for hamsters. They also sell it more expensive than full-fledged games
P.S. And yes, I bought the game when it cost$24. This is the most uselessly spent$ 24 in my life. Some games on renpy are more expensive, the animation is worse, but they are more interesting than this
P.S. And yes, I bought the game when it cost$24. This is the most uselessly spent$ 24 in my life. Some games on renpy are more expensive, the animation is worse, but they are more interesting than this