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Terix3

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it's the first time the dip caused them to go below the previous dip.
wouldn't draw conclusions, but if the trend continues, they're going downhill
The November to December dip is heavily impacted by beta release so it's not representative.
November 1st -16 640 Nov 7th- 18 100
January 1st - 16 836 Jan 7th- 18 440
That is basically no change, which can be read as bad thing because you would expect steam release have some lasting effect rather then just 1 month spike. But then given the backlash you would expect a huge drop but there is none.
 
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Someone on the steam forum did a very good breakdown of what people want. Here was their response. I can't believe someone actually seriously thought these answers were appropriate in anyway, its like dealing with a mom wagging her finger. View attachment 1586065
If i read this about GamDevs Goals im happy i left the Industry in time.

It's crazy to read this "Yeah for Profit we drug them up and manipulate them like crazy it's fun"

I would Harakiri in their Company and i really wonder who drove them into this direction
 
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Someone on the steam forum did a very good breakdown of what people want. Here was their response. I can't believe someone actually seriously thought these answers were appropriate in anyway, its like dealing with a mom wagging her finger. View attachment 1586065
LMAO. All those games that make you do whatever you please (i.e. Kenshi) are clearly wrong and PH with its gacha mechanics is right.
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*a DEMO is played by more ppl than a BETA lol
 
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If i read this about GamDevs Goals im happy i left the Industry in time.

It's crazy to read this "Yeah for Profit we drug them up and manipulate them like crazy it's fun"

I would Harakiri in their Company and i really wonder who drove them into this direction
That's the management in fashion at least from 2009 I call them the "suckers":
blood sucking on one side, cock sucking when they turn around...
I guess we'll have to wait until the system collapses..

(don't take me too seriously, but that is my field and I'm not positive about it, sorry)
 

Krosos

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Yeh Agile management good ideas but to much Logic with no sense for Social components and hidden back stabbing everywhere.

That's why i quit it was just to much i couldn't see all these people around me transforming into something different and something in me didn't accept it to "adapt".
 

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The difference between intelligence and cleverness, anyway this market may not be more "aware" than the average, but surely is faster, bubbles are ment to pop.
 
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LMAO. All those games that make you do whatever you please (i.e. Kenshi) are clearly wrong and PH with its gacha mechanics is right.
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*a DEMO is played by more ppl than a BETA lol
Ehem ... i don't want to break it to you but Kenshi is not a porn game so that comparison doesn't make sense. Demo is free so obviously it will have more players.
 

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Ehem ... i don't want to break it to you but Kenshi is not a porn game so that comparison doesn't make sense. Demo is free so obviously it will have more players.
1) it is a game and serves the same basic functions: to entertain; help with escapism. Porn or not plays no role here.
2) here I want to make two points:
a) paying customers tend to be more invested (duh).
b) PH's PR person argues that with gacha "people hop regularly". Demo has no gacha while Beta has.
Thus Beta (according to PH) should show better performance than Demo. But it doesn't just use simple KPI of % of p of those playing an hour ago to the peak number. Demo had 15% of its peak playing an hour ago. Beta just 6% of its peak.

All of these prove how much of a bullshit PH's arguments in defense of online-gacha-shit are.
 
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1) it is a game and serves the same basic functions: to entertain; help with escapism. Porn or not plays no role here.
2) here I want to make two points:
a) paying customers tend to be more invested (duh).
b) PH's PR person argues that with gacha "people hop regularly". Demo has no gacha while Beta has.
Thus Beta (according to PH) should show better performance than Demo. But it doesn't just use simple KPI of % of p of those playing an hour ago to the peak number. Demo had 15% of its peak playing an hour ago. Beta just 6% of its peak.

All of these prove how much of a bullshit PH's arguments in defense of online-gacha-shit are.
Ok this is ridiculous.
Entertainment through gameplay is vastly different from entertainment through sexual gratification.

Did it occur to you that BETA runs like shit, is full of bugs making number of players unable to play and the gacha mechanics are not a factor now because PROGRESS WILL BE RESET?

Shit, it doesn't take rocket science to prove that gacha works, the most profitable games are gacha. The problem is not gacha rather them using crowdfunding to develop gacha and pissing on what people want. But then again patron count doesn't seem to be dropping as it should so my guess supporters don't give that much crap about the new direction as long as they get to fap.
 

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Ok this is ridiculous.
Entertainment through gameplay is vastly different from entertainment through sexual gratification.
Than Watch Porn/View a Visual Novel Instead or join a Webcam Whore/Phone Sex whereby a Webcam Whore/Phone Sex is Sexual Gratification through interaction as well.
And also the Classical Porn VN is in a transition phase towards more interaction.
Shit, it doesn't take rocket science to prove that gacha works, the most profitable games are gacha. The problem is not gacha rather them using crowdfunding to develop gacha and pissing on what people want. But then again patron count doesn't seem to be dropping as it should so my guess supporters don't give that much crap about the new direction as long as they get to fap.
The most Profitable Games run on Consoles are Exclusive Console Developments (up to the low level tech side) and are far from Gacha
 
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Someone on the steam forum did a very good breakdown of what people want. Here was their response. I can't believe someone actually seriously thought these answers were appropriate in anyway, its like dealing with a mom wagging her finger. View attachment 1586065
They want to control how you enjoy the product with your hard-earned money.
This isn't you modding the assets or patching in random BS. This is them putting artificial time limits, gates, and other bullshit to justify selling more DLC.

Never heard of a porn game with hard time/content locks, but here we are in 2022.
 
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" The most Profitable Games run on Consoles are Exclusive Console Developments (up to the low level tech side) and are far from Gacha "

sadly thats not accurate. those simple gacha games generate much more money by exploitative and predatory monetisation.

and thats why so many developers choose or are forced by their puplishers to somehow incorporate forms of microtransactions into the games these days.

its the sad state of gaming in general. and as long as people are willing to throw hundrets or even thousands of dolloars towards ingame items/characters/skins, this trend my not go down.
 

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I didn't expected it is such a cancer by now it was predictable tough also in all the meetings i was involved with all these psycho guys at the table talking about it under false flag "how to improve your customers experiences" though i doubt the Numbers in the Console space are comparable or as high at the moment as Mobile and PC.
Also we take regulatory action in some Regions against this development in hard cases already.
 
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Than Watch Porn/View a Visual Novel Instead or join a Webcam Whore/Phone Sex whereby a Webcam Whore/Phone Sex is Sexual Gratification through interaction as well.
Huh ? some want handjobs, other footjobs and some others want to see girl banged by BAMs. I'm sure you are aware of the difference in appeal so what is your suggestion really meant to be ?

The most Profitable Games run on Consoles are Exclusive Console Developments (up to the low level tech side) and are far from Gacha
I think the best example is FIFA ultimate team - the gacha mode in FIFA makes them twice the amount of money compared to box sales. Keep in mind that only small % players spend money in that mode like 1% or something.
 
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