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Even ignoring the general scummy-ness of those business practices, Helius presented this is something that wouldn't have those and that you'd get a complete experience for your purchase. Now outfits you've bought are locked behind the store page so you need to grind or buy a booster/currency to actually get it and really that's going to go for anything now. You've payed him for the opportunity to pay him more.

This is the sort of patreon project where you just refund the recent pledges you can and move on.
If it's hard to get refund directly from PH then just do what Star Citizen backers do to get their money back, do a chargeback through your banks or paypal, fill a dispute that state that the patreon project you're pledging is creating a game that's not what you're promised before. Edit: It may takes weeks and you may only get some of your money, but at least you get it and then you can move on and leave this mess behind.
 
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If it's hard to get refund directly from PH then just do what Star Citizen backers do to get their money back, do a chargeback through your banks or paypal, fill a dispute that state that the patreon project you're pledging is creating a game that's not what you're promised before. Edit: It may takes weeks and you may only get some of your money, but at least you get it and then you can move on and leave this mess behind.
I had to do literally this. Just make sure to contact Helius/Patreon first since the first step of any charge back for this kind of issue will be "Did you contact the merchant directly?"
 

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Isn't that the claimed outfits? The bundles that we claimed?? So we will now have to pay for outfits that we paid for again?
So first we have to grind and pay for the outfits that were in the game originally for free(Gallery mode) and now outfits that we have claimed and have needed to pay money for we will have to grind and pay for again?! WTF
Even ignoring the general scummy-ness of those business practices, Helius presented this is something that wouldn't have those and that you'd get a complete experience for your purchase. Now outfits you've bought are locked behind the store page so you need to grind or buy a booster/currency to actually get it and really that's going to go for anything now. You've payed him for the opportunity to pay him more.

This is the sort of patreon project where you just refund the recent pledges you can and move on.
Sigh. Can we stop going ballistic ?
The outfits are provided now for testing purposes - they are in shop so people need to keep "playing" the game and hopefully report issues with the game and outfits (like clipping or parts of outfit not going away when they should etc). The delivery date for the outfit acquired as a subs bonuses is early access.
Now take it with grain of salt but to my understanding if you claimed the bonus content you will get it via the mail while those that did not will have a chance to get the outfits from the weekly shop rotation .

same, and the others are just...too much
am i the only that doesn't like over the top outfits wether they are sexy or not?
Those type of outfits are common in hentai games so i don't find it strange they make it here. I like good variety, i would like it better if it was connected to some corruption story tho...

Good for you, consumer. Please continue consuming every game and getting excited for every game.
You maybe too young to understand this but in the past we used to get fully completed games without any microtransactions or DLC's.
No matter how much effort they put in, no matter how good the game is, I will never ever pay for a porn game with microtransactions. They can go fuck themselves. I'll never support this increasingly anti-customer behaviour of any developer, no matter how good their games are.
I could write essay here, on one hand i agree on the other i'm aware that the game business reality has changed.
So i will just say that ultimately it is manner of value you are expecting to get out of your $.
 

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Sigh. Can we stop going ballistic ?
The outfits are provided now for testing purposes - they are in shop so people need to keep "playing" the game and hopefully report issues with the game and outfits (like clipping or parts of outfit not going away when they should etc). The delivery date for the outfit acquired as a subs bonuses is early access.
Now take it with grain of salt but to my understanding if you claimed the bonus content you will get it via the mail while those that did not will have a chance to get the outfits from the weekly shop rotation .
Test? Yes locking shit behind a grind wall is a perfect test when we have already provided feedback that the grind mechanics are shit and is way to high. So lets lock even more shit behind the shitty grind mechanics without changing them so we can't test the new stuff to report it broken. And I do not believe we will gain this shit for free when the game comes out into Early Access, Helius has already lied about stuff and been dodgy before and he can't even keep is moderation staff in line even so no I do not believe it will change when Early access arrives he might even make it so we can buy Character bundles with the outfits we already paid for so we can pay for them again with real cash twice.
 

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Test? Yes locking shit behind a grind wall is a perfect test when we have already provided feedback that the grind mechanics are shit and is way to high. So lets lock even more shit behind the shitty grind mechanics without changing them so we can't test the new stuff to report it broken. And I do not believe we will gain this shit for free when the game comes out into Early Access, Helius has already lied about stuff and been dodgy before and he can't even keep is moderation staff in line even so no I do not believe it will change when Early access arrives he might even make it so we can buy Character bundles with the outfits we already paid for so we can pay for them again with real cash twice.
If the costumes would be available in early access the way they are now then there would be no difference between people that got the patreon bundles and those that didn't. So we can be certain that costume unlocking won't work this way in ea.

They way testing works is you need provide incentive for people to engage with the systems, yes that means people need to grind in order to unlock stuff and while grinding they will be testing. Like i've said before in this thread if you give people access to everything upfront for "Testing" they will binge consume it and leave. Then when you adjust shit you won't have people to test it because you got no incentive for them to come back.
As for grind- you are not testing grind even without feedback they knew the grind is too much that was by design. We need to wait and see how is the grind once we enter the early access and progress won't be wiped anymore.
 

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If the costumes would be available in early access the way they are now then there would be no difference between people that got the patreon bundles and those that didn't. So we can be certain that costume unlocking won't work this way in ea.

They way testing works is you need provide incentive for people to engage with the systems, yes that means people need to grind in order to unlock stuff and while grinding they will be testing. Like i've said before in this thread if you give people access to everything upfront for "Testing" they will binge consume it and leave. Then when you adjust shit you won't have people to test it because you got no incentive for them to come back.
As for grind- you are not testing grind even without feedback they knew the grind is too much that was by design. We need to wait and see how is the grind once we enter the early access and progress won't be wiped anymore.
There's no incentive to engage with the system now, the hundreds of hours of grind we need to commit to, to test animations and outfits will be wiped. Why would we waste hundreds of hours to grind just to test one thing and then progress will be wiped? For a product we have purchased. For something that we aren't even being compensated for?

Its been 2 months from release and there's been what one change to the system that you somehow gain likes offline through someone studying your experiment from what I saw and that seems broken and only seems to give 3-10 likes. Are the care packages being handed out that he promised he would do each week? Because I never received my new years care package with a handful of likes in them.
 
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There's no incentive to engage with the system now, the hundreds of hours of grind we need to commit to, to test animations and outfits will be wiped. Why would we waste hundreds of hours to grind just to test one thing and then progress will be wiped? For a product we have purchased. For something that we aren't even being compensated for?

Its been 2 months from release and there's been what one change to the system that you somehow gain likes offline through someone studying your experiment from what I saw and that seems broken and only seems to give 3-10 likes. Are the care packages being handed out that he promised he would do each week? Because I never received my new years care package with a handful of likes in them.
Curiosity ? Desire to fap ? On steamdb the number of players appears to be constant - and whenever they feel they need some more people they will release update or give freebies. It's probably enough if one player unlocks 20-30% of cards, only insane people will grind hard atm. (if you wonder then yes there are insane people there).

I did receive likes some time ago but certainly not weekly, i do try to log once a week. They released some info regarding the drills and ability to leave avatar in restrained devices as additional ways to get currency.
 

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Bloody hell their support has always been trash but now the game being a buggy mess is your fault as the user, nothing to do with their game or them re-adding old bugs they had fixed before.

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Smh, stupid customers why aren't they fully fledged programmers and fixing the game themselves, lazy bums! They should just pay Helius and the moderator staff and shut up or worship the staff if they need to speak.

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Uh its not free if you pay for it though? You're just buying it at a discounted price
 
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Smh, stupid customers why aren't they fully fledged programmers and fixing the game themselves, lazy bums! They should just pay Helius and the moderator staff and shut up or worship the staff if they need to speak.

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Uh its not free if you pay for it though? You're just buying it at a discounted price
The base game is free ... now what that entitles?
PH said that free players will be able to join harem as invisible camera and watch people do stuff.
Probably the old gallery will be free much like it is in steam demo.
Will campaign be free ? they never put price tag on it.

EDIT: Ups i misread the quote, the harem pass & season passes are not free and getting them as reward for patreon support does not make them free. I wonder if he is just shit at writing or it is intentional - basically : you are not entitled to anything for supporting us on patreon ,we give you shit for free because we want to.
 
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The base game is free ... now what that entitles?
PH said that free players will be able to join harem as invisible camera and watch people do stuff.
Probably the old gallery will be free much like it is in steam demo.
Will campaign be free ? they never put price tag on it.
Will have its own storefront and I doubt it will be free. Someone invested 15 mil for this and I'm not too sure how they'd freemium a singleplayer story, though I wouldn't put it past them to try and find a harem mode type of monetization for that too.

Also don't be surprised if backers have to pay for the campaign too since they're considered different entities now.

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The base game is free ... now what that entitles?
PH said that free players will be able to join harem as invisible camera and watch people do stuff.
Probably the old gallery will be free much like it is in steam demo.
Will campaign be free ? they never put price tag on it.
Did you miss the screenshot where colress states you'll get the 4 season passes and harem pass for free if you pay $36 dollars?
 

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Did you miss the screenshot where colress states you'll get the 4 season passes and harem pass for free if you pay $36 dollars?
Lol i did, i just read the first sentence and assumed the rest is the regular information.
I guess what i wrote is not wrong just not a good reply in the context. sorry.

I agree it doesn't make sense what he wrote - "getting something in exchange for free" like what?
 

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Will have its own storefront and I doubt it will be free. Someone invested 15 mil for this and I'm not too sure how they'd freemium a singleplayer story, though I wouldn't put it past them to try and find a harem mode type of monetization for that too.

Also don't be surprised if backers have to pay for the campaign too since they're considered different entities now.

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Didn't he say that they refused the offer? Not that i believe the offer was real anyway. 15m is serious money, not a type you invest into some porn developer that has no made any working games yet. Maybe he got 3m offer or about and then just 5x that for better look, that i could believe.

Now i think you are right that probably campaign will be separate and patreons won't get it as reward.
 
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Didn't he say that they refused the offer? Not that i believe the offer was real anyway. 15m is serious money, not a type you invest into some porn developer that has no made any working games yet. Maybe he got 3m offer or about and then just 5x that for better look, that i could believe.

Now i think you are right that probably campaign will be separate and patreons won't get it as reward.
15m for a small indie game, they might as well buy the whole IP. That's probably the catch for the 15m, as they want the rights to own the game. Or at least, a huge share of the profit
 
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