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Rz85

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Fallen Doll (then Paralogue) demo was released in September 2014 with "full release next year" promise, if Scamlius will get enough money for "development".
After that, he lied about "level design finished" in 2015.
So he just continues to lie and scamming for "development" more than 10 years now...
Milking the same cow (hamsters) under the same pretext.
 
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SpongeGod1324

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Thanks for the replies guys, was just curious. Sad to hear it. I'd still check it out if someone released a cracked version after he put the half assed VR implementation in.
 
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I can't fucking wait for this to just release and fail massively so I can just fucking forget about it instead of checking this page every week
Do the sensible thing and check every three months like I do
Thread has deteriorated so much that there's hardly any outrageous Scamlius deed or word to laugh at.
Until the day he finally runs away with the money, Denuvo expires and he rebrands the same game for the Nth time, nothing much seems likely to happen here.
 

TheMoist

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Just checking in on the gong show, good to see that over the last 3 years that there is still much to be desired and nothing short of festering buyers remorse on this one.
 

splatoonrapist

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Is someone have Info about updates? I have acc with beta but i can't understand where i can see news. Ofc i dont have patreon login, only steam.
 

clickandboom

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Is someone have Info about updates? I have acc with beta but i can't understand where i can see news. Ofc i dont have patreon login, only steam.
How do you get the steam key without Patreon? You can always check the dev's twitter and Patreon page for latest news, links are in OP.
 

Nihil5320

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Fallen Doll was based off an even older game from 2015.
Daisy in Summer for anyone curious, there are and can see some dev work had already been done. Realistically Helius likely started working on this in 2014 the moment Epic opened up their UE licensing.
 
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Considering the petition against Ubisoft for the server closure of the Crew was kind of a success (they will be making offline modes for the Crew 2 and Motorfest) I believe what Helius did can get him in legal trouble if we open a peitition.

The dude outright scammed everyone.

The initial demo up to Fallen Doll 4.9 displayed a much different premise than the game we have now

I paid for a Steam Key thinking that while scenes now became unlockables by grinding, I would just find a game save or cheat engine to unlcok all of them.

Helius turned it into payment walls. The entire point is that its an animation gallery and now the scenes are locked behind payments or hours of grinding (not like other games which already deliver a full game, with maybe cosmetics behind a paywall)
In this case, the full game IS the scenes. But heres the thing, we already PAID for the full game.

Also no update posted on Steam since 2023. what the heck. Helius should be sued.
 

benisfug

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Considering the petition against Ubisoft for the server closure of the Crew was kind of a success (they will be making offline modes for the Crew 2 and Motorfest) I believe what Helius did can get him in legal trouble if we open a peitition.

The dude outright scammed everyone.

The initial demo up to Fallen Doll 4.9 displayed a much different premise than the game we have now

I paid for a Steam Key thinking that while scenes now became unlockables by grinding, I would just find a game save or cheat engine to unlcok all of them.

Helius turned it into payment walls. The entire point is that its an animation gallery and now the scenes are locked behind payments or hours of grinding (not like other games which already deliver a full game, with maybe cosmetics behind a paywall)
In this case, the full game IS the scenes. But heres the thing, we already PAID for the full game.

Also no update posted on Steam since 2023. what the heck. Helius should be sued.
Ubisoft is just trying to misinform people and distract from the wider issue. The petition is only a thing because there's not really specific laws on these kinds of business practices. If the heat dies down they'll start doing it again.

Unless you have some really strong local laws you could use to force Patreon into giving you a refund I don't think much can be done legally.
 

Rz85

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Nothing, only screenshots. If there is then let me know.

Well, I'm pretty sure there were scenes with Juzi on rule34 Videos. I watched scenes with her with link from this forum at least at May, but can't find it now (there are scenes, but not with her now). Mystery.
 
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Nihil5320

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Ubisoft is just trying to misinform people and distract from the wider issue. The petition is only a thing because there's not really specific laws on these kinds of business practices. If the heat dies down they'll start doing it again.

Unless you have some really strong local laws you could use to force Patreon into giving you a refund I don't think much can be done legally.
Also worth noting that Patreons terms are essentially "fuck you," stretched out to several thousand words:
To the greatest extent permitted by law, we are not liable to you for any incidental, consequential, or punitive damages arising out of these terms, or your use or attempted use of Patreon. To the greatest extent permitted by law, our liability for damages is limited to the amount of money we have earned through your use of Patreon. We are specifically not liable for loss associated with unfulfilled offerings and benefits and from losses caused by conflicting contractual agreements. For this clause, “we” and “our” is defined to include our subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, directors, employees, agents, and third-party service providers.
Even if you could find enough people willing to be signed up to a class action over a porn game you'd need to do it in a jurisdiction where this has no chance of being upheld, and then you'd need to hope that they don't find Helius (who is almost certainly outside of any reasonable legal jurisdiction) to be the liable party.

Moral of the story is don't buy unfinished products on Patreon unless you're either very confident in the creator delivering or indifferent about them not delivering.
 

BobKilan

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Keep in mind the latest official build does not have VR. They are supposedly adding it back in in the future but whether this actually happens, or whether they make a total mess out of it, is yet to be seen.
Also worth noting that Patreons terms are essentially "fuck you," stretched out to several thousand words:

Even if you could find enough people willing to be signed up to a class action over a porn game you'd need to do it in a jurisdiction where this has no chance of being upheld, and then you'd need to hope that they don't find Helius (who is almost certainly outside of any reasonable legal jurisdiction) to be the liable party.

Moral of the story is don't buy unfinished products on Patreon unless you're either very confident in the creator delivering or indifferent about them not delivering.
Their terms you quoted are bullshit which is a common maneuver to throw a bunch of shit that tries to scare the consumer into thinking it is correct to avoid being pursued in court. Often they're quite excessively broad, too.

A court determines the penalties and they can definitely exceed what they gained. What they're trying to position is known as a Limitation of Liability but they're often not enforceable between a business and a consumer and are more practical for inter-business relationships.

More can be read here as to why they can be seen as unenforceable in court:
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The most obvious issue that Patreon would risk a class action lawsuit over is precisely Gross Negligence, which is coincidentally one of the key reasons limitation of liability can be denied by a court. The most obvious cause would be if it can be proven that a Patreon creator was intentionally misleading / blatant fraud and attempting to exploit interest/profit by such habitual maneuvers and Patreon was made acutely provably aware yet chose to do nothing. This no longer falls under unfulfilled offerings or promises and the creator would also not be able to argue it as just a mere promise. Such a promise could also be challenged as to why it is not being met in court which can prove especially damning without a particularly good reason it wasn't upheld or if it was one that was never realistically reasonable to begin with.

Another issue is in some states LoL is way more restricted and easier to invalidate as it depends on jurisdiction, which could prove not to work in Patreon's favor.

However, it is definitely a giant fuck you and don't even bother legalese.

Most damning is good luck ever getting a class action moving or a competent legal team over a porn game. Proving negligence would also be a task. That said, Helius has certainly not made proving it impossible.

I mostly agree with your moral of the story with a slight adjustment. It isn't as bad if you are willing/can afford to throw away the money and it is a relatively small amount, especially if it is something that interests you and already has immediate rewards such as this game. The sad part is if Helius were a better scammer he could just update the game to be presented as a live service or freemium product and bill people regularly, or the same way as currently doing, by nature rather than eating flack because his constant failed promise of release and the haunting visage of "Unfinished game".
 
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