Ren'Py Family, Friends and Strangers [v2024.01] [JohnAndRich]

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clowns234

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Obviously, there is no standards organization that puts out a clear definition for these terms :p

But the humiliation of the protagonist is a pretty important part of the NTR genre. Since we are supposed to insert ourselves into the MC's role as we follow along, we end up feeling these shitty things. And that fantasy is arousing for me in a fucked up way as I am sure it is for many other fans of the genre. I guess that's what makes people very uncomfortable about NTR. If it was just cheating, with the person being cheated on nowhere in the picture, then - in my opinion - that doesn't make me feel bad in any way. The so-called victim isn't even in the picture. They might as well not even exist. The protagonist, in this case, is the woman who is cheating and enjoying herself. Who am I supposed to feel bad for?

So from this viewpoint, this story is still not NTR because we know nothing about the father, so I don't even care. There isn't much here for NTR enjoyers but the story is still interesting in a different way.
Netorare translates from Japanese as "being cheated on by your partner" aka cuckholding. But yea, it has definitely morphed into much more in f95 land.
 

clowns234

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Just to your knowledge, "Being cheated by your partner"(aka "Cheating"), not mean that you are "cuckold"!
This is total different sexual situation.
From what I have read:
If a woman cheats, she is 'cuckholding' her husband. The fetish definition of 'cuckhold' is someone who gets off on his wife's infidelity. So in that sense, they are not necessarily one in the same. I would say that typically, most husbands don't want their wives to cheat on them.
 
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alex90242

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Fantastic Update Rich. Can't wait for the next one.
That been said, I've seen the discorse in the community regarding the BF's reactions and heers what I think.
Yes BFs jump to stupid conclusions is stupid and reinforce the stupid cliches of lot of NTR game with idiotic male protags.
Especially in this case since BF so far has seem prety inteligent.

A.But I think this can be easily rectified by having Optional paths.(witch I'm sure rich is planning)Like,

1. BF is suspicious right now but do find out the truth quikley and hatch a plan against cops with Bekky and his Best buddy. They cant do too much now but they are aware.
BF in this path is extra guilty since Bekky is in trouble because of him witch fuels his anger more. Bekky also plays along unwillingly but with BF and Their friends help
since she has no choice as cops still has her photos and she loves BF and help him whit anything evan to get revenge.

2.BF tries to find out at first but the cops blackmail Bekky and Best bud to pretend as Lover and to Bekky to break up with BF and comply with more and more of their requests. You can have BF
Slowly turn bitter and insane with jealousy and being miserable as cops gradually send more and more vids and pics Best Bud and Evan with them. In this path towards the end you can have
Bekky and Best bud actually failing in love and Bekky actually begin to hate BF. The cops can turn her in to a plaything for them at fist and slowly a Escort, a stripper and Evan a Porn star etc to
earn money for them and use her for their Advantage by giving her to powerful people like judges,crime lords and politicians for cash,favors and cover ups.
You can have Bimbofication, body modification like tats and piercings Evan pregnancy for bekky in this path.
This way BF doesn't come as a total clown. He does try to find out but cops anticipates this and its them who manipulates things from the start.The Cops of course also goes after mom, sis and other women too and turn them against BF.
You can have him find the truth about Bekky at the end completing his insanity witch may end Evan in suicide.

B. As for the comply path, I see people complain about BF sacrificing other women willingly but nobody said he needs to be hero and he is protecting his loved ones with no choice. This is corruption game not a super hero story, He can become Evil.
Corruption can be for both women and the protag as he become more diabolical and truly enjoy abusing power just like the cops intended and joining them in their schemes. That being said,

1. You can have redemption ark where BF does what he has to but in the end he finds a way to get back at the cops while keeping his friends safe.
He can faint being friends with cops learn from them and turn their ideas against them (maybe find a way to hack and delete all the evidence and slowly and steadily replace them against the cops.).
It'd be the ultimate victory as they say "we trained him well, maybe too well". In the end BF may end up private Eye since he become good at analyzing evidence and putting them in place.
Ultimately he can marry Bekky and help his friend open a photo studio and be happy.

2. In the Other path BF totally joins the dark side. He becomes more and more friends with cops and obsessed with power it brings. Cops will slowly help him and shares all the women so he sees the benefits.
While at first he do every thing to save Becky and family, finally he joins with cops and thinks all women are toys and only to be used as tools.In the end He will personally train Evan mom,sis and
finally Evan Becky (He does make remarks he wanting her to be a model) and share them with the cops and later with customers willingly.
He will feel no love any woman(Bekky included witch will end up breaking her heart and mind) and may become pimp himself and make porn with the best friend.
Final he will become a Evil cop partner like the old cop wanted, or even better become Crime lord him self, running a sex slave trafficking operation blackmailing women and training and selling them for profit or power.
He will end up Evan more diabolical and corrupt than the cops. Student has becomes the master.

I'm sorry if this is long winded and for my poor English.

I wish Rich all the luck and he should look in to GGGB, Tyrant and Manilla Show games they have different corruptions with different paths. Both for male-female protags and other characters.
They also have good writing where there are different reasons behind every path and stuff happens with reason.

Just my thoughts guys.
 

mommysboiii

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y dont listen too this we need good ntr go with your own vision not with tyrant or manilla show which are very bad examples
 

alex90242

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No No I didn't mean to take other games and simply copy their themes. I meant them as inspirations for having different paths and reasons in story.

Rich should obviously do his own thing. What I meant directly tied to feed back of many that BFs reactions to Bekys pic was stupid and cliched in many NTR games. This is what I said to have BF find out and have revenge or make cops force Becky and Pal to act like a couple. Notice both this patches and the other two I suggested lead to heavy NTR and dark themes. I put them as my opinion for the discussions fans are having regards to BFs current stupid behavior.

I also don't want a another vanilla game and Ritch absolutely focus more on darker and NTR heavy themes.

The Games I referenced has many paths with reasons of their own. I simply mention them for research for story structure and different corruption paths not to simply take their themes or have good ending for good ending sake.
If you think their bad games well its your opinion and I didn't say they are good NTR games. Just referenced them for story structure purposes like many ohers are mentioning different games for inspiration.

In fact if you want heavy NTR i recommend Spell book, Culture shook and Asuka King of steel (A kagura Game) as inspirations.

As i said my English is very poor witch leads to long and confusing writing at times. So i apologize if I confuse people.

I reiterate I also want this to be very dark and very NTR heavy and Rich to do his own thing. If you read my suggestions for different paths (especial path01 No 2 in Blackmail path) you can see it not vanilla at all and very dark (especially regarding bekky) . These are merely suggestions and of course again Rich should do his own thing.

Best of luck to him and as I said its just my opinion.
 

hmc15

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And now the story is morphing into a power fantasy where the MC supposedly has the same talents as the cops and may even join them. So, this in my opinion takes this story very far away from true NTR territory.
That was always the path of this story. It is not a secret this KN is based off an adult short story and Rich is using creative liberties to form his own vision. Nonetheless the ending should be the same which is Parker manipulates his Mom, among others, and gets sexual favor and all sorts of fun debauchery. Its a fun story
 

alibaba34

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That was always the path of this story. It is not a secret this KN is based off an adult short story and Rich is using creative liberties to form his own vision. Nonetheless the ending should be the same which is Parker manipulates his Mom, among others, and gets sexual favor and all sorts of fun debauchery. Its a fun story
Not saying it isn't fun. Just that it's now getting farther away from NTR territory. At least in my playthrough. I personally find that a bit disappointing. In the sense that it doesn't satisfy my NTR itch.
 

alibaba34

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If you like something, why in game you made your way in opposite direction?! There is only one game that completely satisfy you. The one created by yourself.
Yeah, I don't know how to tell you. There is no game that will satisfy anyone 100%. That doesn't mean they should just shut up. I clearly mentioned I like the game though. I don't know if you have a reading problem or if you missed that.
 

Mistress_Kixen

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Ok first off there are some tags I have noticed were missing that should be added to this.

Kinetic Novel (Having one choice which changes the path of the story in the near end =/= game )
Creampie (The Dirty cop did cum inside the MC's mom)
handjob (The mother did this to said officer as well as other characters doing the same to others)
voyeurism (MC's best friend not only spied on MC's sister but filmed her as will)
oral sex ( POS cop got this from the MC's mother)

Putting all this aside I have to say this Kinetic Novel was far better than a lot of the others I have seen. The MC isn't exactly one of the mary sue type characters and from what I am seeing he is getting corrupted quite nicely by just about all the people around him.

Hell it was also a nice touch with how the cops used the tape of the mother 'role playing' to help push the corruption path with the MC. (assuming you choose to follow this path)

But overall as I mentioned the story IMO is actually interested, and fleshed out with quite a few of the characters. While I wish some of them weren't so 1 dimensional (Like the chick who whored herself out for concert tickets) this is few and far in between so it isn't too much of an issue.


As for what I am hoping to see in the future.

1) Both paths get extended not just the one where you choose to help the cops.

In Path B where you choose not to work with the cops I am so really hoping that dirty cops will actually go so far that they would take her cherry while sending her down the path of possible corruption in the process. While I have no hate toward Becky having this happen on said path just seems like the perfect thing to happen.

2) In Path (A) the MC becomes more corrupt in more ways than one

I already see his dark corrupt side coming out in several ways such as sending Becky's best friend as well as Carl's mother to the wolves. Here is hoping that somewhere in the future something happens that he ends up giving into his urges and getting balls deep in 'Mrs. Robinson' seeing as she is throwing herself at him and with the way Becky is acting I can totally see it happening with how the corruption in flowing within him.
 

mommysboiii

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For the path where you choose not to work with the cops is way more interisting, I love how Mc is deep in love with Becky and they go after his weakest point Becky too teach him a lesson.
 
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J0K3RXXX

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Rich This game is great and wonderful Kinetic novel but we want incest tag n The MC should also have sex with some girls , Dev we request for you , plz add incest tag ,
In view of how the Chapter 10A ended, I wouldn't be surprised if Parker could have fun with his sister in some future chapter. On the other hand, the conclusions that Parker has after receiving that email at the end of chapter 10B could lead to him trying to get revenge on Becky by focusing on her mother or/and Carl's mom; or maybe, in that correctional facility, he finds that harpy named Emily and he tells her that her arrest and subsequent expulsion was due to a plan devised by Becky and carried out by her, him and Carl.
 

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Can anyone share to what extent the NTR is?

Which girl or girls get stolen, how much scenes, etc.
 
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