Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.4 v7.01 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[qazxsw80]

No, she gets into these situations because she's being blackmailed and because she, as a game character, has no choice but to accept humiliation. All we know from open sources is the so-called game concept, or, more simply, how the game will be set up (which DM published in 2019 on a Russian-language pirate site).

In the game she is blackmailed because she is stupid enough to be blackmailed. No more, no less. What the game could have been or should have been is not relevant. We have what we have.

Therefore, I prefer not to hide the unsightly picture behind beautiful words. The essence of the game is a series of endless humiliations of a rich (in the past) and sexually attractive woman (arrogant bitch). The main tool of influence on the MC is blackmail, which can be classified as coercion to sex and other violent actions of a sexual nature. The current goal of the game is to further humiliate and have sex with the MC.

So what? What's wrong with that? That is the main idea and the main attraction of this game for the supporters.

Yeah, she is a playable character, and in AVN (unless the game is positioned by the developer as a kinetic novel), the MC controlled by the player always has a priori a choice. So Monica's lack of choice by virtue of the developer deciding so is a weak excuse. It just shows that the game was not thought through to the end and its goal was only to create a conveyor belt of endless blackmail and humiliation for the sake of humiliation, not that the player could consciously influence his character and, say, make him better (or worse) in terms of personality. And no, don't tell me about bitchiness levels. Those are just crutches that can't replace the player's direct influence on the actions of their game character.

Who says that the game should have all that? In my opinion it shouldn't and I don't want it to be in the game. The more of that, the less game have other stuff, like all those funny humiliating events. It is inevitable. Are you sure that that what patrons want? I certainly don't.

More than that, in every VN the player can influence the actions of the main character to a certain degree. The player cannot do whatever he wants. In some games the variety of choices is bigger, in some less. That is all. For example, in most games where you play for a good guy, you cannot join your enemies and become the bad guy and continue the game like that. There is that game here called University of Problems where it would be ten times more fun, in my opinion, to join the bad guys and continue like that. But it cannot be done.
If the developer doesn't want Monica to have choices where she deals with her enemies or becomes a better person, it is his choices and that is all right.

At first only Victoria had something on her. Who else has something on her now? At least 2 of the slum customers, Steve's secretary, 2 photographers, her biggest business rival, Philipp (if you go to his basement) and maybe others that I forgot of the top of my head.

Well, Victoria can be dealt easily, like sent to the farm. Steve's secretary is blackmailed herself and cannot do much. The photographers and White think that it is not Monica, as far as remember. Silly, but that is the way it is. Philip himself is not interested in publishing that stuff in the basement. No sure about slum customers. Don't remember anything about it. Maybe it is the latest update I haven't played yet.

You all do not get the point. Even if Monica is "dumb", nobody is dumb enough that he would let someone RECORD them having to do shit with which they could be blackmailed even further than they are already being blackmailed. And she does it ALL THE TIME.

I believe that is where you are wrong. No expert on blackmailing people, but I think that is the way it is done. The more you do the stuff you are asked, the more new blackmail material the blackmailer has.

 

[Ostego]

You all do not get the point. Even if Monica is "dumb", nobody is dumb enough that he would let someone RECORD them having to do shit with which they could be blackmailed even further than they are already being blackmailed. And she does it ALL THE TIME.

At first only Victoria had something on her. Who else has something on her now? At least 2 of the slum customers, Steve's secretary, 2 photographers, her biggest business rival, Philipp (if you go to his basement) and maybe others that I forgot of the top of my head.

There is literally NO way for her to get a good ending, unless the revenge path gets so whack that she somehow manages to kill EVERYONE including Marcus and all involved cops AND not get caught doing it.

Basically she is in a position, that ALL endings will make zero sense, since there will be at least 2-3 people left to blackmail her until the end of time with recordings.

I'm sure there was an idea at the start of the game, but it very fast turned into an endless series of rapes and nothing else. It's still funny to watch (because it's a FICTIONAL STORY), but to anyone with a brain it's intellectually insulting and infuriating at the same time.

Good ending can be done easily. At the snap of Marcus' fingers. Half of the bad guys will get so deep that they won't show their nose. Half of others are probably connected with farmers anyway. And Victoria doesn't seem to see Monica as the main target at all for now.

 

[Ostego]

No expert on blackmailing people, but I think that is the way it is done. The more you do the stuff you are asked, the more new blackmail material the blackmailer has.

You are right, If you are fucked up already its no matter how deep you will fall in case of Monica and Melanie here. Unless you can totally destroy all blackmail material. In case of Monica there are several ways. In case of Melanie - in this route i can`t predict anything for now.(atleast that there will be no any wedding with Alex, or smth happens during it.)

 

[kimminwu]

we need hero please...
I don't have money
I'm poor

 

[Stan5851]

Who says that the game should have all that? In my opinion it shouldn't and I don't want it to be in the game. The more of that, the less game have other stuff, like all those funny humiliating events. It is inevitable. Are you sure that that what patrons want? I certainly don't.

Who says it wasn't supposed to be? Especially since the decision system is one of the main features of visual novels. Anyway, I have my opinion on the matter, and I've expressed it. Obviously it doesn't coincide with yours and it won't. And yes, I absolutely don't care what patrons want.

More than that, in every VN the player can influence the actions of the main character to a certain degree. The player cannot do whatever he wants. In some games the variety of choices is bigger, in some less. That is all. For example, in most games where you play for a good guy, you cannot join your enemies and become the bad guy and continue the game like that. There is that game here called University of Problems where it would be ten times more fun, in my opinion, to join the bad guys and continue like that. But it cannot be done.

I wasn't suggesting that we give the player the ability to do whatever they want and let us play as Marсus, it's much simpler than that - there is no choice at all.

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Though yeah, I wouldn't mind playing as Marcus in Fashion Business. But that's something patreon definitely won't miss.

If the developer doesn't want Monica to have choices where she deals with her enemies or becomes a better person, it is his choices and that is all right.

Yeah, it's his choice. As they say, "my game, my rules." But in that case, don't tell me tales about Monica's "stupidity". Her whole "stupidity" is that the player has no ability to influence the decisions of the MC he "controls", which would allow Monica to make more intelligent decisions than those she is forced to make by the will of the author.

 

[Alea iacta est]

we need hero please...
I don't have money
I'm poor

 

[kulllku]

we need hero please...
I don't have money
I'm poor

Brother. it's strong. capitalism is fascism, in which beggars have no right to happiness and pleasure. And even on Monica's pussy. Hold on brother. There are still more good people than bad ones...

 

[qazxsw80]

Yeah, it's his choice. As they say, "my game, my rules." But in that case, don't tell me tales about Monica's "stupidity". Her whole "stupidity" is that the player has no ability to influence the decisions of the MC he "controls", which would allow Monica to make more intelligent decisions than those she is forced to make by the will of the author.

I'm kind of tired of all that arguing and have a CFA Level 2 exam in 2 days, but still I cannot believe how you cannot understand that Monica's decisions are unseparable from Decent Monkey's decisions. Her decision are based on Decent Monkey's decision. She can do only what he thinks she can do in certain situations. And in those certain situations she does stupid things. And those who do stupid things are stupid. She is shown stupid in the game because Decent Monkey made her so, no more, not less.

 

[Stan5851]

She is shown stupid in the game because Decent Monkey made her so, no more, not less.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. What would I do without your brilliant conclusions. That's exactly what I was writing about, the DM made it so by taking away player control over MC decisions. You'd better study for your exams and not waste your time. I won't give you any favors on the exam.

 

[EraRamp]

Okay, it's time! I invite translators in any language to translate the game, as the head of the game's translators. Welcome

 

[gentonne]

Okay, it's time! I invite translators in any language to translate the game, as the head of the game's translators. Welcome

hello, I want to join as a translator from English to Indonesian

 

[EraRamp]

hello, I want to join as a translator from English to Indonesian

Sign up for Discord so I can find you. I sent you an invitation

 

[vimmers]

Sign up for Discord so I can find you.

you probably need to add discord invite
or PM the member with it

 

[Stan5851]

I wonder if this kind of "runway walk" animation will ever appear in our Fashion Business? I can already see Monica or Melanie walking through the studio in revealing outfits for yet another lewd photo shoot. If anything, this is from the Fetish Locator. (the beginning of the huge N6 ending)
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[agn25]

I wonder if this kind of "runway walk" animation will ever appear in our Fashion Business? I can already see Monica or Melanie walking through the studio in revealing outfits for yet another lewd photo shoot. If anything, this is from the Fetish Locator. (the beginning of the huge N6 ending)
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I would much rather see him spend his time doing animations like this

 

[patiq1453]

Why would anyone pay to watch group sex? unfortunately the game is going bankrupt.

 

[Bazino]

Why would anyone pay to watch group sex? unfortunately the game is going bankrupt.

Imho group sex is the best thing ever. If it is filmed correctly. Most directors and cameraman are imbeciles. What is the unique thing about group sex? That a group is having sex. And then they zoom in on individual couples all the time... those people have no brain. Group sex needs to be filmed in the total overview, so the watcher can decide which part he wants to focus his attention on. If there is a group sex scene and the watcher likes one of the girls especially and you then zoom on individual couples all the time, the watcher is just asking himself what his favourite is doing instead of being aroused.

 

[Luigi77]

Where is the hero

 

[EraRamp]

If someone has a slowdown, the developer is already working on it

 

[chinesewarrior]

I think porn star scenes will turn Monica into a happy slut finally I hope.

PS: Shiny Hole still missing hope it will have much more content in the next update.