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[Ripe]

Yeah, maybe. But that's the right of the creator. His game, his decision. It's that easy. The creator should be satisfied with his product otherwise you won't be as well sooner or later. If you regard this as "milking" you should stop paying any patreon fees! If you don't pay any (like I do) you don't even have the moral right to complain in the first place IMHO!

Yeah, Crush have every right to have his game feel right... problem is that he keep changing his mind about what his game is all about. How can game "feel right" if he doesn't even know what the game should be? Meaning there is no way he'll ever be completely satisfied with the product which is why we get constant delays and postponments of self-determined release days.

And when you combine that with Crush being unwilling to listen to any advice and keep doing things people repeatedly told him he shouldn't do... well, you have a recipe for a disaster.

 

[I-No]

[...] problem is that he keep changing his mind about what his game is all about [...]

I never created such a game myself but I guess the creative process might not always follow a straight line. It seems to me Crush doesn't have a complete story board for the whole game. He just has an idea which path the story will take and is working more or less along that route. Might not be the most professional approach but if he feels good about it then it's perfectly fine. Better that way than another one of those abandoned games...

[...] Crush being unwilling to listen to any advice[...]

Sometimes it's better not to listen. Otherwise every game would sooner or later turn into a woke NTR/femdom/loli desaster.

Don't get me wrong. I'd like more, better and faster updates just like you do. But if a creator needs time for his creation I tend to understand. Haste makes waste!

 

[jamiroq]

Reposting Crush's Release Schedule for the lulz View attachment 2237206

 

[Deleted member 14950]

Some people treat developer like a god or an idol, letting them get away with so much.
It's obnoxious and dismissive. There is no desire to push developer into giving his absolute best, unfortunately, just mediocrity mindset.

I would not raise a negative letter towards Crush the Crabby have he not opened Patreon and started accepting money, in other words, selling his product.
However, discussion of Patreon, donations and early access could be summarized with single word - loophole.
Muh, technically it's donation, not payment, which means you have no right to talk back. Perfect, absolutely perfect scheme.

You guys are discussing results, instead of reasons why those results even exist.
Realistically, I would say Crab's biggest problem are - painfully slow writing speed.
He writes, then rewrites, then scraps everything and writes again.
Then he's not happy and edits the hell out of a paragraph. Duuuuuh.
Yet apparently, I still find myself enjoying his work.

This forum is no place for discussion. Annoying, just annoying.
Internet was a mistake. Cheers.

 

[I-No]

The Internet itself was no mistake. The mistake was letting everybody in...

 

[asdfasdf12341234ACSACA]

The problem, in my opinion, with Crush and the game overall is that he doesn’t quite seem to know what exactly he wants this game to even be.

Is it an epic RPG where you build and craft your character from the beginning of their life?

Is it a multiple choice, choose your own adventure, open world game where you have some control over where the story goes?

Or is it a fairly linear visual novel where you are given some choices to add a bit of flavor?

The game is sold as the first point, while the developer works as if it was the second point, and ultimately fails to do so, resulting in the third point.

 

[Marlin Brandy]

boop

Thank you for reminding me of this trainwreck with the mention. It's good to know that the game is only 8 months behind schedule :^)

 

[Ripe]

I never created such a game myself but I guess the creative process might not always follow a straight line. It seems to me Crush doesn't have a complete story board for the whole game. He just has an idea which path the story will take and is working more or less along that route. Might not be the most professional approach but if he feels good about it then it's perfectly fine. Better that way than another one of those abandoned games...

Problem is that I'm not sure he even have an idea which path he wants to take the story... which is why we're on 4th iteration of the game by this point.

Sometimes it's better not to listen. Otherwise every game would sooner or later turn into a woke NTR/femdom/loli desaster.

Oh yes, listening to advise on what to include in the game always turn out disaster... one time he did it (hypno content) he got nothing but complaints and demands to make it completely optional and avoidable.

The advise given he ignored was more along the line of "you need to figure out what the gameplay will be BEFORE you build skill system" or "don't waste time on random NPC generator since the only thing it can be used for is grind people will avoid" and other stuff like that... stuff that would basically help him along the way. Stuff that he pretty much was forced to accept months or years later.

 

[JustForPorn12]

*few more weeks

months

 

[Ravnen]

Yeah Im not sold on the story. It said the mc is bi, yet the only action she gets is with discusting pricks, where your choices doesnt matter a rats hairy ass.
How about adding a skip scene, if we dont want to for instance sleep with Connor all the bloody time??

 

[Lurker1001]

Great game looking forward to more. So far it has a great story. Would be nice if there was a download for the original iterations though. I'd love to check them out but the online one keeps bugging out.

 

[rbx4]

Yeah Im not sold on the story. It said the mc is bi, yet the only action she gets is with discusting pricks, where your choices doesnt matter a rats hairy ass.
How about adding a skip scene, if we dont want to for instance sleep with Connor all the bloody time??

I'm glad that I don't know about Connor at all.

 

[Ravnen]

I'm glad that I don't know about Connor at all.

Correct me if Im wrong, I believed his name was connor. That dude that interviews the mc and starts to screw her over and over every chance he gets.

 

[rbx4]

Correct me if Im wrong, I believed his name was connor. That dude that interviews the mc and starts to screw her over and over every chance he gets.

Sounds right. I just haven't played this enough to actually see him. To my recollection, I didn't go past the initial screens of the new version. It's just not my kind of product anymore.

 

[WalkTheEdge]

Great game looking forward to more. So far it has a great story. Would be nice if there was a download for the original iterations though. I'd love to check them out but the online one keeps bugging out.

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That's the final version of the previous iteration

 

[Lurker1001]

Mega

That's the final version of the previous iteration

Many thanks, man!

 

[Arkady]

I don’t think he’s milking it or trying to scam anyone. I genuinely believe he wants to make and finish this game, but he seems to be pretty overwhelmed with no idea where to even begin or what to give priority too.

He's had six years to suspend the Pastreon milking scam for a couple of months while he actually sits down and fucking works out the basics ("how is the game part of game going to work?") instead of haphazardly throwing together whatever he thinks is totally a good idea right now.

The last reboot initially sounded promising in the sense it felt like he might finally go and do the working out the basics thing (without actually suspending the Patreon milking scam, of course), or get help doing that. Of course, the VN with pointless choices he's shat out since does not really suggest he's actually made any effort to finally get a fucking clue how the game part of the game is supposed to work.

Still, you're probably technically correct in that he's not primarily trying to be a Patreon milking scammer. He's probably more like failing at not being an incompetent fool when it comes to actual game development.

 

[asdfasdf12341234ACSACA]

He's had six years to suspend the Pastreon milking scam for a couple of months while he actually sits down and fucking works out the basics ("how is the game part of game going to work?") instead of haphazardly throwing together whatever he thinks is totally a good idea right now.

The last reboot initially sounded promising in the sense it felt like he might finally go and do the working out the basics thing (without actually suspending the Patreon milking scam, of course), or get help doing that. Of course, the VN with pointless choices he's shat out since does not really suggest he's actually made any effort to finally get a fucking clue how the game part of the game is supposed to work.

Still, you're probably technically correct in that he's not primarily trying to be a Patreon milking scammer. He's probably more like failing at not being an incompetent fool when it comes to actual game development.

Crush is not (intentionally) milking, he really is just an incompetent fool, I've met quite a few people that act the same way (not in regards to game development of course). He's unaware that the ethical thing to do would be to pause the milking until he has become more professional.

If you hire a plumber and he not only takes twice as long as he should, but he also has to come back every five months to redo his shoddy work, that's not a good plumber...but that plumber may well think that he's doing a good job and having to redo that same work every five months is just "how plumbing works".


And just for the Crush apologetics and the "well game dev is hard duh" crowd: It doesn't take a genius, an expert, or even an experienced worker to know that if you keep making the same mistakes *every* time and you're still as (in)efficient as when you started doing your job, you really aren't doing your job properly.

 

[fortuna95]

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With love and humble appreciation for your patience,
Crushstation ❤

 

[rbx4]

Well there are some people who seem to be saying that game development is the toughest thing that anybody could ever do. I don't agree with that. Standing up to their own concerns over inadequacy could be the toughest thing that some people could ever do, however.