HTML Abandoned Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[Vengeance_11]

I’m 90% certain that he’s going to push out an unfinished update (with some story about how hard it was for him) despite all the work he’s apparently putting in because he’s done this exact thing before.

It was 1.13 or something where he delayed it for nearly a month to supposedly fill in placeholder text, but the final release was full of placeholders and unfinished coding because he “ran out of time” despite his “best efforts.”
3 weeks of extra dev time and he barely made a scratch in what he said he would do.

Of note is that he schedules updates for the end of a given month, but always finds a reason (big or small) to delay it and push the update over the threshold for him to claim another month’s worth of donations first. Make what you will of that.

 

[Lurker1001]

So are any of you guys who are bitterly complaining about this guy actually Paying him anything or have you ever paid him anything?

 

[mazafacker]

So are any of you guys who are bitterly complaining about this guy actually Paying him anything or have you ever paid him anything?

Lurker1001
haha

 

[Lurker1001]

Lurker1001
haha

Got a problem with a simple question? lol

 

[Lurker1001]

I wouldn't even pay a good dev monthly money for a game. Maybe when I can afford A/C and a BMW I'll have money to throw at people. Even if this site didn't exist I wouldn't pay. I am not a customer. Also there's complaining because you're an entitled shit head, and then offering constructive criticism and just being realistic about a situation. The update can come out next year, but the reason the update is delayed is actually an interesting subject. If you want me to prove it, I won't even play this update and wait for the next one. Doesn't phase me at all.

To be fair... a lot of the criticism here is far from constructive and just reeks of personal attacks against the dev. It's some of the worst criticism I've seen on this site. it's honestly pretty toxic. At that point if someone has never paid a cent towards the dev and they still do this... what is the point? It just comes off as spite for the sake of spite.

 

[MrAnarchy]

So are any of you guys who are bitterly complaining about this guy actually Paying him anything or have you ever paid him anything?

I am.

 

[Derrida]

So are any of you guys who are bitterly complaining about this guy actually Paying him anything or have you ever paid him anything?

I've paid for multiple previous releases and when he releases the finished product in 2029 I will pay that for as well. I'm not bitter about either crush or his patreons. I don't typically support month by month but I do buy releases from many, many devs that I've found here because that seems fair to me.

Constructive criticism begins, can only begin, with accurately assessing the problem -- that won't ever happen with crush, at least not yet, because large numbers of people seem willing to support what is clearly a broken working process, riddled, I would contend, with bad faith and self-deceit. Again, totally their prerogative to do so, just as it's mine to point out reality.

 

[vicaddict]

a few things need to happen if he wants people to be happy.

No. Nothing needs to happen. The only people he needs to care about are his patrons and they are content. As long as they pay him, praise him and let him work the way that he does, they can be considered happy. Whether you, I or any other person disagrees with that, doesn't have to bother him.

Why are you under the assumption that things need to change? They haven't changed in years. If anything, I'd say he has been fairly consistent over the last two, three years or so. The output of content may be little, but again, that is only for his patrons to judge and the majority of them seem to be quite happy with the way things go. The money must flow and flow it does.

So, no. NOTHING needs to change.

Could he be more efficient? Transparent? Forthright? Faster? Sure. Nobody can dispute that and it would make a lot of his critics happy. Would it, though? Then again, they are not the people that pay him and would they acknowledge it anyway? Crush has been keeping a steady, but rather slow pace for years now. He hasn't rebooted the game in three or four years. Yet, his critics still bring that up. So why should he do anything to appease them? He doesn't have to. And from his point of view: neither should he.

 

[Marlin Brandy]

No. Nothing needs to happen. The only people he needs to care about are his patrons and they are content. As long as they pay him, praise him and let him work the way that he does, they can be considered happy. Whether you, I or any other person disagrees with that, doesn't have to bother him.

Why are you under the assumption that things need to change? They haven't changed in years. If anything, I'd say he has been fairly consistent over the last two, three years or so. The output of content may be little, but again, that is only for his patrons to judge and the majority of them seem to be quite happy with the way things go. The money must flow and flow it does.

So, no. NOTHING needs to change.

Could he be more efficient? Transparent? Forthright? Faster? Sure. Nobody can dispute that and it would make a lot of his critics happy. Would it, though? Then again, they are not the people that pay him and would they acknowledge it anyway? Crush has been keeping a steady, but rather slow pace for years now. He hasn't rebooted the game in three or four years. Yet, his critics still bring that up. So why should he do anything to appease them? He doesn't have to. And from his point of view: neither should he.

Could not agree more. This is a sentiment that I'm pretty sure most of us here share. We all know that there is no need/want/reason to change, because we are not the target audience. If the patrons are happy and willing to pay for this kind of development standard, Crush will continue to give them the slop they want.

At the end of the day, we are all just screaming into a void. This is really no different for me from laughing at a lolcow. I once supported this game, pre-rework, and at this point I'm just here for the violence memes. It's a win-win scenario for me: either the game is eventually released and is great, which I will appreciate; or I will continue to have grade-A seethe and cope and excuses to laugh at.

I am thankful for Crush (as well as many other low-effort HTML game devs) as he taught me how a little bit of community engagement, parasocial relationship building, and pity farming goes a long way to trap paypigs. I'm going to start working on my writing skills and set this up as my retirement plan - Set up a text based game with basic mechanics and a decent hook, then drip-feed updates to keep patrons in a money trap. It's free passive income baby!

 

[Deleted member 14950]

Actually, if crush wants people to be happy he needs consistent update times. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact about development. And in fact it's a fact about life, people absolutely do not like the unknown and unpredictable. If he does 2 months late release every time more patreons will stop paying. Also, your whole point is based on something unproven. That patreons are paying and content. I am sure he lost some patreons already.

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[asdfasdf12341234ACSACA]

So are any of you guys who are bitterly complaining about this guy actually Paying him anything or have you ever paid him anything?

It doesn't matter, sycophants will use whatever option to keep justifying themselves and Crush:

- Haven't ever paid? Your opinion doesn't matter because you haven't paid
- Have paid in the past but stopped supporting? Clearly you stopped and now you're bitter
- Are actively paying and still complaining? You just don't understand the process, you're entitled, it's a donation not a payment

 

[asdfasdf12341234ACSACA]

Crush has been keeping a steady, but rather slow pace for years now. He hasn't rebooted the game in three or four years. Yet, his critics still bring that up. So why should he do anything to appease them? He doesn't have to. And from his point of view: neither should he.

The fact that "he hasn't rebooted the game for the second/third time in three or four years" is seen as a positive and not the very baseline is hilarious on its own right.

 

[Ripe]

Isn't this current version a 3rd reboot?

First was following 1.6.x when he introduced Lifepath, second when he completely reworked Lifepath by removing 4-out-5 nations and we are now in third where he abandoned Lifepath and more or less continued from where he was in 1.2.x or early 1.3.x

 

[Lurker1001]

It doesn't matter, sycophants will use whatever option to keep justifying themselves and Crush:

- Haven't ever paid? Your opinion doesn't matter because you haven't paid
- Have paid in the past but stopped supporting? Clearly you stopped and now you're bitter
- Are actively paying and still complaining? You just don't understand the process, you're entitled, it's a donation not a payment

So anyone that points out how toxic people get on forums are sycophants now?
Im not justifying anything... just saying... you guys are being childish dicks and this all just sounds like a lame excuse for people to keep being toxic assholes to me.

Is you are whinging so hard over something you are getting for free... thats just entitlement. Lol
Not much else to say here... it is what it is. Entitlement and toxicity.

If thats what you want to be... go hard... but at least stop pussing out over it and own it.

Now bring on the facepalms and insults for me to ignore. Lol

 

[rbx4]

This thread is always fascinating, that's all I have to say about it for now. Those who check back several years in the thread's history will know where I am coming from. I am sure that these absolutely accurate summaries of the thread will continue as they have since the beginning.

 

[rbx4]

If he's normally regulated then yes, any sane and normally regulated person would want the best for themselves, and would establish that consistent updates are the best for themselves, and therefore that it NEEDS to happen.

I'm not saying that I'm not duly interested in making the world of adult gaming a better place, but there's only so much that we can do. It's fine letting people design at their own pace, and I don't mind checking on games 5 or 10 years from now to see how far they have or have not progressed (and, it goes without saying, not being silly enough to pay a subscription over that time frame).

Designing games is easier than ever, and that has been a much more interesting and rewarding avenue for me, at least. Almost every step of the process is now far easier than it used to be. I'm looking forward to seeing the visions of people who have great game concepts in mind, but who needed the extra coding skills boost that ai can give them.

 

[hsaIV]

Great idea for a game, reminds me of the flash game Agent69... Too bad it's only text based.

 

[Davkin]

€6,021/month reason assures it won't get "abandoned".

Did people subscribe and just forgot?

 

[Diconica]

Looking at his post on patreon from 4 days ago. Got to wonder does he actually have stress issue or is this him pretending to give an excuse for more time.
Honestly, no idea. Even if he does this often it wouldn't be an indicator one way or another.

Probably the biggest thing I can say about it with honesty is it irritates me like it probably does most people when people miss dates and release. It would bother me a lot more if I had money invested in a project. Learned that lesson.

 

[chino222]