Looking at that schedule, how far away is he from reintegrating the prologue? Halfway through next year at the earliest.
Too late, you have already been added to the List of Haters on F95Zone. Forever more, no praise from you will be trusted by certain individuals here, and you will be treated as a 1-dimensional hater no matter how many dimensions actually exist in your personality. Welcome to the "they get every game for free and all they can do is whine!" crowd.
I know you're joking (or, well...the joke is that there's more truth in your words than it should) but let's just lay it out for the people that aren't aware:
"You people get the game for free, you don't have any right to complain or give feedback": If you think this, do remember that, at least in the case of this game specifically, it has been posted by the developer to promote it... for free
This site is known for sharing games for free, whether they are actually free or they've simply been...obtained and shared. A developer sharing their work here for free in a community is also not paying for the service of free publicity!
...I would hope people won't think "Okay then the developer should pay the F95 team! before posting anything" and simply accept that yes, you can in fact give feedback for a product you obtained for free...like virtually every product testing is done (and in fact, for most of them such as reviewers or simple field testing, people get paid to test and give feedback)
Well he said that he did want to include it at some point. I have raised the point on more than one occasion that it gets harder and harder the more content you release in the meantime. For every decision you make now, every skill check, every scene you write, you need to backtrack and find out how previous decisions could have influenced this. And if you go back and do the college stuff again and try to fill in some blanks, how would that change the current story? He is steering towards a cliff and I am sure he knows it.
I also remain of the opinion that all of this would be much easier by turning the agent into a proper college girl who got stuck while traveling and is now in the middle of different sides using her to their advantage. The agency using her by promising her money or a way home, the criminals want to abuse her, maybe turn her into a double agent (?), you could also throw in Max (?) the swedish business man who promises her money and what not. After all, this has always been advertised as a secondary mission for years now.
That would make it much easier to connect the college-prelude part and the current Bangkok adventure while not restricting you to all of the agent stuff. After all, I still don't see how you would let her loose in an open world, if she is part of an agency and has access to every resource, including money.
Money is and always has been the biggest driving force in all life sim corruption games. You need it, how far are you willing to go in order to get it? That and making things more and more expensive leads to more corruption. An easy cycle and quite frankly, the story would write itself. However, this is, if the game is supposed to be a life sim and about corruption. The fact that we don't really know tells you a lot about the development. This point has been adressed time and time again. The dev doesn't seem to know where he wants to go with this. As Marlin Brandy pointed out, how much story has the dev actually layed out in advance? Or is he really doing this as he goes along? It very much seems like it. otherwise I have no explanation for how after all these years you can't come up with more regular updates. It went from three (?) years of redoing the prologue to two (?) years of non stop Thailand now. Stop the Thailand thing and do it now. Stop it and connect the prelude, if you really intent to bring it back. Figure out what to do with kinks, skills and dice rolls and make it one big chunk of game and you have a base to build upon. Otherwise the prelude will forever and always dangle over your head and it will be another broken promise.
Then again, why change anything, when you are on of the biggest supported patreons I have seen. 7k+ monthly income for delivering very nice, but still very little content. Clearly I have made some wrong choices in my life.
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Well, the reason is because adding it back in will not affect the story in any way, shape or form. It will be tacked on, and just like the current game, nothing will affect anything else -- only some color scenes here and there, and maybe a modification to the paper doll.
Now, it certainly will give fodder to the delays in the updates and 'fair' reasoning as well as he wrestles with the complications and writes, rewrites, rewrites, edits, edits, edits...
I'd guess that it will happen when he starts to hit a writer's block on the Bangkok story, probably at the end of his current 'planned releases'.
I honestly don't even want him to add it back. Not because it wouldn't make for a better game...it would. It's just that at the rate he works it would take a year to fit it back in.
D4n0w4r
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Hey, I was trying to be optimistic.
The only part of the prologue worth salvaging would be the honeypot training course, and that would require changes to the bits after the infiltration mission because your bosses shouldn't be shocked your doing honeypot stuff after they sent you through honeypot training. If there is going to be anything covering childhood-college like some of the older versions it should be heavily cut down to selecting a background from a list that will give you some bonuses to rolls. Something like Jocks get +2 on physical rolls, Cheerleaders +1 physical & +1 social, round it out with Preps, In a Band, & Nerds. Maybe pick a college major for some more specialized bonuses. The thing is every option needs to be balanced and relevant. If we aren't going to be regularly riding horses the skill doesn't need to be used, and if there is a major inbalance in the usefulness of skill then you've wasted time on options you've incentivised the players to not pick. Honestly without the bonuses the dice roll mechanic doesn't make sense. You've just got a bunch of spots where the character has a 60% chance to have their missing messed up.
Yea, you couldn't really integrate the honeypot training into the current game. In that version she wasn't going in to work as a bartender. She was told from day 1 she was going to be a whore iirc.
I think I have to disgaree with you there. Why cut back on what many people believe to be the best and most entertaining part of the game so far? You eluded to the relevant part. Skills and kinks need to have an effect on something and right now they do not. He needs to figure out in what meaningful way he wants to include skill checks and how you can improve them. The college part was a nice way of shaping your past and set you up with different skill sets for the game. Sadly, none of that mattered.
I also disagree that all the choices need to be balanced. Do they? Why? If you wanna make it harder on yourself, then why not chose different routes.
Then again, I do agree that we won't see that part of the game come back. It doesn't do anything for the current evolution of the game and it would be a ton of work. Would I mind him taking the time to connect both parts of the story? No. I was a sizable chunk of writing and coding. I have no problem with that. If you don't bring it back, all of it would have been pointless exercise in coding. Bring it back and you'd have a very decent foundation. A character creator, a prelude and the first couple of missions in Thailand. I think it would be the best course of action unless he already knows it's never coming back and he doesn't know how to connect it. In which case we're back to the point that he hasn't planned out anything.
I wouldn't mind him connecting the two parts but I don't want to see crush chuck out his previous work to start from scratch yet again. Finish the main story then spend the next 2 years linking it all together and adding branches for traits to the current content if that's what he wants to do
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On 30.09 we were supposed to get the second part of the long awaited update, changed into an update about delay, and ultimately we got nothing. A truly shocking turn of events.
Was it another episode of Crushes infamous mania, or maybe a runaway cat? Place your bets.
Was it another episode of Crushes infamous mania, or maybe a runaway cat? Place your bets.
Previously prepared excuses just weren't good enough.
Not hot enough.
Not sexy enough.
Writing the delayed update post is really, actually fucking challening! Doubtlessly, it will prove not good enough because of those pesky little crab hands. In his head, it looked different; better, which could bring feelings of inadequacy, frustration even anger at oneself! Yet, determination is there. Long, long (s t r e t c h e d even) hours of diligent toil await this overworked misunderstood crustacean!
Heartfelt apologies for everyone waiting.
Don't worry though, to the best of his abilities he will hope they'll be posted soon™!
Could be anything really.
Not hot enough.
Not sexy enough.
Writing the delayed update post is really, actually fucking challening! Doubtlessly, it will prove not good enough because of those pesky little crab hands. In his head, it looked different; better, which could bring feelings of inadequacy, frustration even anger at oneself! Yet, determination is there. Long, long (s t r e t c h e d even) hours of diligent toil await this overworked misunderstood crustacean!
Heartfelt apologies for everyone waiting.
Don't worry though, to the best of his abilities he will hope they'll be posted soon™!
Could be anything really.
You forgot the "greta" and the "Lovely Illustrator Victoria"!
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I put forward a different solution that uses the original origin story and where things are more life sim but not like GL complex with brushing teeth and choosing sanitary products. You have a number of places of work each more degrading and sexual than the other. The topless bar, a strip club, glory hole, burlesque show, etc. Then you give the PC a goal of getting her reputation such that she is recruited to the brothel that the target uses.
You have two values then, one is her resistance which she'll have to lower in order to work at the more sexual locations and the other her repuation which she needs to increase to get recruited. This gives you goals to work on and then you add in other none sexual locations such as a beach to get a tan and swim for exercise, clothing shop to improve outfits which will get you noticed. Better gear means more rep gained. A gym, a regular bar for drinking, a club for a bit of casual sex.
These would give place to work on and gain skills that will ultimately be of use. Learning the local language will make it easier to gain info, getting fitter will let you do more intense actions and take more punishment, socializing will help your charisma, ettc. etc. You can still add the various scenes to locations like the bar but they are just extras and bonuses to the base game.
That way you have a game that bridges the gap from prequel to brothel and from interactive story to life sim without haveing to change that much. Not that it matters, we can say anything and propose all we want, nothing will change while the cash keeps rolling in.
or just do the birth control shot. Easy enough to check-in with the safe house to re-up every 3 months.
Alleykatt
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Having the agent start male would actually fit the Thai hooker theme... nbut I think Crush would lose a lot of subs.
berny
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Since people (including myself) are sometimes looking for other text based games.
I just found Inner Empire and it looks promising and is surprisingly fleshed (and thought) out for a first version.
I just found Inner Empire and it looks promising and is surprisingly fleshed (and thought) out for a first version.
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