VN Ren'Py Completed Fetish Locator [Week 3 v3.4.8] [ViNovella]

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lyssa is fine, possibly even top 3 material. but unless i've missed a scene where she holds pee in her mouth while cumming she quite simply isn't a contender for the top spot.
 
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wawsxxwa said:
lyssa is fine, possibly even top 3 material. but unless i've missed a scene where she holds pee in her mouth while cumming she quite simply isn't a contender for the top spot.
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Not to yuck anyone's yum but the existence of that scene disqualifies her from any discussion of best girl

That, and the lack of a big old dick :cool:
 
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no blackmailing? well that's bad news to vilelab since most of his game's content circles around blackmail (mc getting blackmailed).
 
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mike1233 said:
Patreon needs to go fuck themselves and so does anyone that supports any dev on there (or anyone at all there for that matter and not just AVN devs, fuck them and their guidelines, hit 'em where it hurts, the cash flow from their 8% cut). They should have just put up a goodbye last post and the stupid reason why they were leaving with a link to their new Subscribestar page (that couldn't give a fuck less about content, dev imagination is the only limit). If you can't write a story the way you want might as well not bother at all, as in essence it's Patreon then writing the story. Fucking Hays Code shit all over again. Might as well take it to the extreme and just ban all porn while they are at it and be done with it, that would probably be a blesing in disguise as then it would force AVN devs to move to Subscribestar instead of kiss Patreon's asses (AVN with no porn = good luck with that, as that's just a VN, not many bother with those), if they were doing it for the joy of telling a story rather than the cash-grab that is.
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To be fair, unlike the Hays Code it's not some kind of law but a business decision by Patreon - which they are free to do, whether we like it or not, and you can always create a business that handles it differently. Which then will have repercussions for Patreon (or your new business) itself further down the line, so I can understand their stance. Incest porn games is a niche market which if it completely said goodbye to Patreon would possibly simply create way lower losses than allowing for it and losing business with payment companies.
 
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To be fair, unlike the Hays Code it's not some kind of law but a business decision by Patreon - which they are free to do, whether we like it or not, and you can always create a business that handles it differently. Which then will have repercussions for Patreon (or your new business) itself further down the line, so I can understand their stance. Incest porn games is a niche market which if it completely said goodbye to Patreon would possibly simply create way lower losses than allowing for it and losing business with payment companies.
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Thing is, if for example Amazon ran Kindle on the same principles as Patreon then they'd delete half the romance on KU, (never mind the erotica). Bully romance in particular is big at the moment and dubcon (dubious consent) has always been a big thing in romance
 
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Stringy Bob said:
Thing is, if for example Amazon ran Kindle on the same principles as Patreon then they'd delete half the romance on KU, (never mind the erotica). Bully romance in particular is big at the moment and dubcon (dubious consent) has always been a big thing in romance
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Although I'd argue it still is a niche market compared to mainstream literature, my point is that every company needs to decide for itself where the money is - and if that excludes us, we may be disappointed and decide to use other companies for our needs (for our games say SubscribeStar) but it is a bit cheap to blame Patreon.
 
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The Hays Code wasn't a law either, just an agreement between movie studios as a preemptive move to keep the gov't off their backs with actual laws. Thankfully the hippie movement ended that silliness. It was kinda like the rating systems games have now like the ESRB (formed after a few game companies were threatened during congressional hearings in the early 1990's when PC games with porn/gore/violence/rape/etc in them were starting to look realistic though laughably not by today's standards, pixel art ca 1993 at it's finest).
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You are correct that it wasn't a law enforced by government, however as an individual studio you had no ways around it.

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That's another thing. At this point Patreon is big enough (6M users) to not even need 3rd party payment companies anymore. Hell, the black market trades (ch!ld Porn, drugs, prostitution, unground gambling, etc) make a trillion a year with cash (to the point 90% of every bill in circulation has measureable traces of cocaine on it) or crypto only, why can't everyone else? Amazon doesn't need Paypal and never has (it's why it's never been a payment option as they used to be part of eBay, a competitor). Same for Valve/Steam (Paypal would probably lose a billion $ a year if they actually enforced their anti-incest stance there and risked losing Valve as a customer, so apparently they don't). At this point neither does Patreon. If they really wanted to they could make their own EFT payment system and simply take everyone's bank account numbers for payments or Bitcoin for those too scared to do that (I see no difference between doing that with PP or Patreon, neither of those are a bank anyway and can legally find a way to rip you off if you try to use them as such). Banks themsleves couldn't care less about what the cash traffic is for as long as it doesn't break a law and get them fined by the gov't. As a bonus no 3% cut or fee for that, wire transfers are mostly free (though usually not for international). But no, they want to do it the safer/lazy way with less liability (network hacked = a lot of money stolen they'd be on the hook for in a lot of jurisdictions) and simply kiss Paypal's asses. I see it going 2 ways at this point in probably the next 2Q (6 months): either they continue to follow their lord and god Paypal and also ban all porn content like they did (goodbye to 99% of AVN's that refuse to move to Subscribestar) or they do as they should and create their own payment system and then revise the TOS to allow everything that Subscribestar does since then they are out from under PP's thumbs and are free to do so. Time will tell I guess.
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I still don't think they have a major incentive to do so. All that hassle for how little extra revenue? How many of the 6M users would actually leave? Since you mention them, Valve itself has dropped anything remotely pornographic in Germany because they didn't see the revenue worth introducing an age check, but that was all porn, not just the niche stuff.

And while they certainly could - in a way - create their own payment system, maybe even a bank, that kind of business is more tightly regulated than most and it is a lot of extra hassle again - all kinds of supervision in every country you want to use, in some of which by the way depiction of incest or at least propagation of it (letting it seem positive) may be illegal.

But I guess it really boils down to why would they? If they "don't need paypal", they certainly "don't need incest porn" either. Path of least resistance.
 
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