VN Ren'Py Completed Freeloading Family [v0.32] [FFCreations]

[Ozel]

As for myself, I couldn't reject Alice or Melody, I accepted them both)

Exactly what I meant with that. I don't see who is going to reject them. I could see some rejecting Mel because of what she did to Susan, since I know Susan has her fans, but I don't know who is going to reject Alice. I'm not interested in rejecting anyone, bring 'em all on.

 

[look_skywalker]

Exactly what I meant with that. I don't see who is going to reject them. I could see some rejecting Mel because of what she did to Susan, since I know Susan has her fans, but I don't know who is going to reject Alice. I'm not interested in rejecting anyone, bring 'em all on.

I don't see how Melody could be blamed for that. Susan really brought it all upon herself. Melody did plant the evidence, but Susan's actions would sooner or later be punished. She did abuse the authority, and she still does. She didn't learn the lesson. Which is why I hope she will be punished again. (Yep, I'm definately not a fan of Susan. I may tolerate her if we get to see her submissive side again though )

 

[User4862]

Exactly what I meant with that. I don't see who is going to reject them. I could see some rejecting Mel because of what she did to Susan, since I know Susan has her fans, but I don't know who is going to reject Alice. I'm not interested in rejecting anyone, bring 'em all on.

i rejected mel, partly because of the susan thing. im not a susan fan, but i think the situation wouldve been best handled by reporting her to the dean and police (not so much because of morality, but so the characters could protect their own asses, you know, to not endanger themselves to blackmail because they did something illegal). also rejected her for the picture taking, that shits invasive.

its a shame though because i do like her as a character, especially when its just her and the mc talking. im interested to know more about the musical part of her life. but that doesnt necessarily outweigh the flaws.

and overall, shes no alice.

 

[look_skywalker]

i rejected mel, partly because of the susan thing. im not a susan fan, but i think the situation wouldve been best handled by reporting her to the dean and police (not so much because of morality, but so the characters could protect their own asses, you know, to not endanger themselves to blackmail because they did something illegal). also rejected her for the picture taking, that shits invasive.

its a shame though because i do like her as a character, especially when its just her and the mc talking. im interested to know more about the musical part of her life. but that doesnt necessarily outweigh the flaws.

and overall, shes no alice.

Well, she did kinda report her to the dean. The evidence was planted, but the premise of her anonymous complaint was the same - Susan was fucking students in her office. Would something change if some of the students would come clean about what really was happening? Maybe, but probably not. What Susan did was more immoral than illegal (since the students weren't minors), so she would get away with it, even if she were reported, unless they could prove she forced students against their will. And that would be hard to prove. So I think if Mel reported her to the dean and police, we'd end up with the same result.
As for the picture taking, I agree, it was her most annoying trait, i partly hated her for it just like the MC did, but as I said above, they did handle that situation, so no reason left for me to reject her.

 

[User4862]

Well, she did kinda report her to the dean. The evidence was planted, but the premise of her anonymous complaint was the same - Susan was fucking students in her office. Would something change if some of the students would come clean about what really was happening? Maybe, but probably not. What Susan did was more immoral than illegal (since the students weren't minors), so she would get away with it, even if she were reported, unless they could prove she forced students against their will. And that would be hard to prove. So I think if Mel reported her to the dean and police, we'd end up with the same result.
As for the picture taking, I agree, it was her most annoying trait, i partly hated her for it just like the MC did, but as I said above, they did handle that situation, so no reason left for me to reject her.

susans relationships with students was most likely illegal, even if the students werent minors, because as their teacher, she has authority over them. if it wasnt illegal, itd likely still be enough to get her fired, because of the authority thing again. a college isnt likely to put themselves at risk for one teacher. im saying likely a lot because its a fictional world and the laws are at the devs discretion.

as far as the end result goes, im guessing you mean susan coming back and forcing mc to meet her somewhere for some reason. thing is, when she made whatever threats at that time (i think drunk driving?), none of that wouldve held up because an immediate sobriety test wouldve disproved it. if she arrested him then, he couldve claimed sexual assault (which happened) and shouldve been recorded on dash and body cams. the only thing she really has over mc and the girls is them planting evidence to get her fired, which is illegal. being able to prove it might be questionable, but the panties used were mels, not susans.

maybe im misremembering some things, but the way i see it, if they hadnt gotten her fired the way they did, susan wouldnt have any leverage to use in forcing any of them to do anything at present time.

of course, any and possibly everything ive said could be completely irrelevant to where the story is going.

and nothing wrong with wanting your cake and eating it too.

 

[look_skywalker]

susans relationships with students was most likely illegal, even if the students werent minors, because as their teacher, she has authority over them. if it wasnt illegal, itd likely still be enough to get her fired, because of the authority thing again. a college isnt likely to put themselves at risk for one teacher. im saying likely a lot because its a fictional world and the laws are at the devs discretion.

as far as the end result goes, im guessing you mean susan coming back and forcing mc to meet her somewhere for some reason. thing is, when she made whatever threats at that time (i think drunk driving?), none of that wouldve held up because an immediate sobriety test wouldve disproved it. if she arrested him then, he couldve claimed sexual assault (which happened) and shouldve been recorded on dash and body cams. the only thing she really has over mc and the girls is them planting evidence to get her fired, which is illegal. being able to prove it might be questionable, but the panties used were mels, not susans.

maybe im misremembering some things, but the way i see it, if they hadnt gotten her fired the way they did, susan wouldnt have any leverage to use in forcing any of them to do anything at present time.

of course, any and possibly everything ive said could be completely irrelevant to where the story is going.

and nothing wrong with wanting your cake and eating it too.

I'm saying, Susan still got fired. One way or another, with valid or invalid evidence, but for the same reason. For having sex with students. So in this part it doesn't really matter for the result that Mel planted the panties, and not just reported her. It only matters for moral reasons.
If they went to the dean or the police and told them everything and got her fired that way - well, she'd still be fired, for the same reasons. And still would know that it was MC and the girls that got her fired. And still would try to get back at them. The only thing that'd be different - is that they'd use a morally right way to get her fired. Also, maybe Susan wouldn't get to work in the police after being fired that way (which still baffles me, doesn't the police do background check? do they not know why she was fired from the college?)

The panties were indeed Susan's, Mel claimed so and so did the dean. Mel only wore them after MC came in them only so that she wouldn't get cum in her bag (which seems like a weak reason to wear them). So what I'm saying is Susan doesn't have any real leverage in the present time. What she has is basically this: she knows someone planted her own panties in the office; she suspects it was MC and the girls, because she caught them listening to her and the dean's argument when he was firing her.

As for Susan's threats, I completely agree with you - that's what I though he should've done - disprove her stealing the car accusation, driving under influence accusation, claim sexual assault, e t.c. Only thing she could do was give him a speeding ticket, which was deserved.
He was stupid to fall for her blackmail, because truth is that she really doesn't have anything over mc and the girls, it's only her guess that it were them, who planted the panties.

Having said all that, I'm not trying to make you eat the cake if you don't want it) It's perfectly understandable not everyone would want a serious relationship with a chaotic girl like Mel.

 

[Ozel]

Here we go again.

 

[look_skywalker]

Here we go again.

Sorry, I know going on the overanalyzing rampage about logic and reason in porn games is just a wrong thing to do, but I had to stand up for Mel

 

[Ozel]

Sorry, I know going on the overanalyzing rampage about logic and reason in porn games is just a wrong thing to do, but I had to stand up for Mel

Not what I meant. There was a big debate about Susan and whether it was right or wrong to plant evidence and get her fired in the thread before.

I made the point that it was stupid anyway. Mel would gladly snap crotch shots of the MC but not bother recording all the bullshit Susan was up to and had to resort to planting evidence? Yeah...

 

[look_skywalker]

Not what I meant. There was a big debate about Susan and whether it was right or wrong to plant evidence and get her fired in the thread before.

I made the point that it was stupid anyway. Mel would gladly snap crotch shots of the MC but not bother recording all the bullshit Susan was up to and had to resort to planting evidence? Yeah...

I agree with your point. Recording the evidence would be a much more reasonable way to go. I think this stupid and extravagant way was picked to emphasize Mel's chaotic nature. (pretty neat excuse for everything Mel does)
My point here is whatever methods were used or could've been used, it probably still leads to pretty much the same results: Susan's fired, she know it was MC and his friends who got her fired, she wants revenge.
I just thought how fitting this picture is in regards to Mel's method to fire Susan.

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[Ozel]

Susan's fired, she know it was MC and his friends who got her fired, she wants revenge.

Another point I brought up before in the earlier debate on this topic: we aren't even given a choice as to whether or not we wanted to participate in that whole ordeal, nor were we given a choice to suggest how to handle it. So, the whole argument is stupid and moot, really. We're not given a choice. The whole thing could've been handled more reasonably without even getting Susan fired, just to get her to stop, and if she refuses to change her ways, then she should go. Not just sleeping with students, either, but being an awful teacher, showing up to work drunk, and being hostile toward students without provocation. All of that behavior could've been recorded and submitted to the dean eons before the whole thing went down, but no one bothered for whatever reason. That whole ordeal was really stupid to me. Luckily, it didn't ruin the fun of the game for me.

 

[look_skywalker]

Another point I brought up before in the earlier debate on this topic: we aren't even given a choice as to whether or not we wanted to participate in that whole ordeal, nor were we given a choice to suggest how to handle it. So, the whole argument is stupid and moot, really. We're not given a choice. The whole thing could've been handled more reasonably without even getting Susan fired, just to get her to stop, and if she refuses to change her ways, then she should go. Not just sleeping with students, either, but being an awful teacher, showing up to work drunk, and being hostile toward students without provocation. All of that behavior could've been recorded and submitted to the dean eons before the whole thing went down, but no one bothered for whatever reason. That whole ordeal was really stupid to me. Luckily, it didn't ruin the fun of the game for me.

I completely agree it sucks to not have any choice in the matters that can literally change MC's life. For example I though how stupid the MC was for ignoring father's call and not calling him back for months, when he was literally told many times that he should call or he'd get in trouble. But he didn't and it resulted in his Aunt moving in. Glad it worked out for the best, but it could've been the other way around.
Well, I get what you're saying, we're not arguing about a right or wrong choice, because there is no choice. We're arguing about how we percieve the results. And it really is a matter of personal taste.

 

[User4862]

I completely agree it sucks to not have any choice in the matters that can literally change MC's life. For example I though how stupid the MC was for ignoring father's call and not calling him back for months, when he was literally told many times that he should call or he'd get in trouble. But he didn't and it resulted in his Aunt moving in. Glad it worked out for the best, but it could've been the other way around.
Well, I get what you're saying, we're not arguing about a right or wrong choice, because there is no choice. We're arguing about how we percieve the results. And it really is a matter of personal taste.

i think arguing is a strong word for us discussing that topic.

maybe mels just too much of a firecracker for me. i certainly have my own past of criminal conduct, but that was as a minor. as an adult, i prefer to keep my nose clean, and that includes the antics of others.

as i said two posts ago though, i prefer alice, and im more the monogamous type. plus i question whether or not alice is really ok with an open relationship.

 

[Ozel]

as i said two posts ago though, i prefer alice, and im more the monogamous type. plus i question whether or not alice is really ok with an open relationship.

Alice is fucking Leah and MC. If she's not okay with an open relationship, she shouldn't do that.

EDIT: Alice is also trying to drag Karina into the harem...

 

[look_skywalker]

i think arguing is a strong word for us discussing that topic.

maybe mels just too much of a firecracker for me. i certainly have my own past of criminal conduct, but that was as a minor. as an adult, i prefer to keep my nose clean, and that includes the antics of others.

as i said two posts ago though, i prefer alice, and im more the monogamous type. plus i question whether or not alice is really ok with an open relationship.

I didn't mean arguing like something bad, I used it more in a context of "passionately discussing".

Speaking of myself, I've never done anything criminal or morally questionable in my life, and I'd probably always choose Alice type of girl over Mel type of girl in real life, but it's a game, so I can get wild here, since I really do like Mel's wild spirit and noone forces me to chose (at least at this stage of game).

And well, even if Alice is against open relationship (and I don't think she is), we can't do anything about it, because like it was said above, we don't have a choice in many matters. We can skip some sexual encounters with other girls, but we can't skip them all.

 

[User4862]

Alice is fucking Leah and MC. If she's not okay with an open relationship, she shouldn't do that.

EDIT: Alice is also trying to drag Karina into the harem...

it seems like karinas involvement is going to depend on choices, so that may differ between our games.

as for leah, i always figured alice was ok with that because of she could also be with leah, and since it could be the three of them together. though i dont remember any specific time of when alice and leah were together without mc, aside from the very beginning, but i dont replay the game to see all the scenes.

and for mc sleeping with anyone but leah, such as mel, susan, and haley, thats really what i question. is alice really ok with it or would she only be ok if she were included? seems unfair to me to have those relationships as the mc without inviting alice.

edit: alice does give permission to sleep around, but she also said she didnt want to hear about it. i guess i interpreted that as meaning if she doesnt hear about it, she doesnt know for certain that its happening. unless mel walks out of the room naked with cum running down her leg.

I didn't mean arguing like something bad, I used it more in a context of "passionately discussing".

And well, even if Alice is against open relationship (and I don't think she is), we can't do anything about it, because like it was said above, we don't have a choice in many matters. We can skip some sexual encounters with other girls, but we can't skip them all.

va laurie, the writer, has made it pretty clear in the past that he and ffcreations are telling the story they want to tell. thats the reason for the lack of choices. im not complaining, just stating. this game is one of my favorites.

 

[Ozel]

and for mc sleeping with anyone but leah, such as mel, susan, and haley, thats really what i question. is alice really ok with it or would she only be ok if she were included? seems unfair to me to have those relationships as the mc without inviting alice.

MC was fucking Susan before anyone else in the game, but no one's really asked "is the MC being fair to Susan by fucking Alice and Leah?"

Mel has already said she's no lesbian, but she knows full well MC is sleeping with all the others and doesn't seem to care. Alice was already fucking Leah before she even fucked MC. Alice didn't even feel the need to tell Leah she was interested in fucking MC, she just did it, and Leah didn't seem to care because she herself hopped on soon afterward. Alice tries to drag Karina into the harem, and yeah that's now our choice, but you could assume if the devs hadn't suddenly decided to start adding a bit more player agency to the game, that probably would've been in the cannon of the game. Hailey already knows the MC is fucking all these girls and she's fooling around with him. Pretty sure he told Alice about messing around with Hailey and Alice didn't care about it much. So, all signs point to everyone being okay with the harem to me. *shrug*

 

[User4862]

MC was fucking Susan before anyone else in the game, but no one's really asked "is the MC being fair to Susan by fucking Alice and Leah?"

from my perspective, that was coercion lol. liking alice predates susan.

everyone may have been fine with the fuckfest from the beginning. maybe they still are. but the story is progressing, and feelings are developing. indicated by both alice and mel asking for boyfriend/girlfriend status. cant help but wonder where the story is headed.

 

[Ozel]

from my perspective, that was coercion lol. liking alice predates susan.

everyone may have been fine with the fuckfest from the beginning. maybe they still are. but the story is progressing, and feelings are developing. indicated by both alice and mel asking for boyfriend/girlfriend status. cant help but wonder where the story is headed.

Well, maybe I got sucked into the mindlessness of the early parts of the game and am not giving the new choices enough credit, but to me it looks like it's all headed toward a big ol' harem, with even Susan included in it, should the player so desire. I've already booked Susan's ticket aboard the FF Harem Train.

 

[Ilhares]

I know Susan has her fans, but I don't know who is going to reject Alice.

I find Alice to be of the appealing sort, but were I forced to pick a single woman out of the entire game thus far, I'd choose Leah. Mel is trouble on a leash, and Karina feels like a jail sentence about to happen.

I'm certainly entertained by them, but on a personality scale, Leah is more my speed.