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soprano31

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the most beautiful character i have ever seen in a WEG, Carolina, is a mother.
talk about monkey's paw... pity
any other game with her model?
What do you have against a single gorgeous mother of a cute and sweet child like Maya,
who literally had to start from zero after her divorce,
all the love in the world and everything she can give to her daughter,
and is now cautiously open again to letting someone into her and her daughter's lives.

Why would this a "pity"to give her back the passion in her life,
to give them all the love,protection and hope,
and to be a better father to her than her ex - husband has ever been ?
 

MilesEdgeworth

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Even Lucien might get a slight sympathetic glimpse, into his past maybe or something like that. Maybe he has a mental illness that's developed later in his life?

It won't change my mind about him and his actions, but.. it's sort of like when you think really, really, really openly about like psychopaths that do terrible things or something, for example. And then you realize they couldn't really choose to be a violently-predisposed psychopath, it's incredibly hard trying to not be yourself after all. There's a small part of you that sorta feels bad about their predicament, about how cruel the universe can be to some people, effectively being born without your humanity. But then of course you remember their victims and you're right back to "yeah, fuck that guy, burn in hell."

But still, it can be interesting from a story perspective when the author does it in a careful way.
Lucien's like one step away from making snuff films, there's legit no redemption from him.

Brent became sympathetic to say goodbye to him and open up the larger story. Otherwise, he'd continue to be the boogeyman who screwed up Nikki's life/ continued making threats at the mc. Honestly, it feels like the men in this world are good or evil while the men around the women shape the women's morality.
 

citrone

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What do you have against a single gorgeous mother of a cute and sweet child like Maya,
who literally had to start from zero after her divorce,
all the love in the world and everything she can give to her daughter,
and is now cautiously open again to letting someone into her and her daughter's lives.

Why would this a "pity"to give her back the passion in her life,
to give them all the love,protection and hope,
and to be a better father to her than her ex - husband has ever been ?
yeah nah, she's a single mother
it's worse than the other love interests with whorish pasts or with absolutely regarded financial situations.

Also, most unrealistic part of this game is how the MC, a millionaire, is pumping loads into every broken woman he sees with no protection. Talk about stupid. IRL he would already have 10 kids and 10 mommies with a lifestyle to found lmao.

Also also, someone like the MC, rich or not, always ready to come to the rescue, always say yes, set yourself on fire yadda yadda... yeah he would have already had a mental breakdown IRL from all the people taking advantage of him.
 
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Joshy92

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What do you have against a single gorgeous mother of a cute and sweet child like Maya,
who literally had to start from zero after her divorce,
all the love in the world and everything she can give to her daughter,
and is now cautiously open again to letting someone into her and her daughter's lives.

Why would this a "pity"to give her back the passion in her life,
to give them all the love,protection and hope,
and to be a better father to her than her ex - husband has ever been ?
Damn right buddy Carolina is a hot sexy milf.
 

citrone

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yeah Risa's family and MC absolutely could never fuck up a drug dealer and pimp or have any sway over the police noooo :rolleyes:
can we move the plot forward without having everyone acting like an idiot? in what universe is Lucien a threat to millionaire families that have been in the city for a century? legally or illegal, Lucien would disappear instantly
 

MilesEdgeworth

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yeah Risa's family and MC absolutely could never fuck up a drug dealer and pimp or have any sway over the police noooo :rolleyes:
can we move the plot forward without having everyone acting like an idiot? in what universe is Lucien a threat to millionaire families that have been in the city for a century? legally or illegal, Lucien would disappear instantly
To be somewhat fair to rissa, she's a fuckup so her family wouldn't believe her and MC went into the situation blindly because of Rissa's dumbass so he's still catching up. Now if he's still doing dumb shit in like 3 updates then it'll become a problem
 

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yeah Risa's family and MC absolutely could never fuck up a drug dealer and pimp or have any sway over the police noooo :rolleyes:
can we move the plot forward without having everyone acting like an idiot? in what universe is Lucien a threat to millionaire families that have been in the city for a century? legally or illegal, Lucien would disappear instantly
If you got a problem with the story take it up with Neon, I for one like the conflict with Lucien.
 

zaqrwe

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If you got a problem with the story take it up with Neon, I for one like the conflict with Lucien.
For the game which point is to allow MC be really really bad if he wants to, creating situation when he couldn't do anything (and so far still can't) is... kinda bad thing? Because it creates the feeling MC is really weak, despite what the game is trying to show usually. Especialy as he basicaly flaunts his own rather important connections the whole time. But yeah, let's see how it turns out in few next updates.
 
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Joshy92

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For the game which point is to allow MC be really really bad if he wants to, creating situation when he couldn't do anything (and so far still can't) is... kinda bad thing? Because it creates the feeling MC is really weak, despite what the game is trying to show usually. Especialy as he basicaly flaunts his own rather important connections the whole time. But yeah, let's see how it turns out in few next updates.
Bad guy is a weak coward. So him acting like one wouldn't be surprising.
 
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yeah Risa's family and MC absolutely could never fuck up a drug dealer and pimp or have any sway over the police noooo :rolleyes:
can we move the plot forward without having everyone acting like an idiot? in what universe is Lucien a threat to millionaire families that have been in the city for a century? legally or illegal, Lucien would disappear instantly
Risa's dad's an enormous piece of shit who doesn't consider her worth a damned thing, and the cops are apparently in on the action.
 

PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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Lucien's like one step away from making snuff films, there's legit no redemption from him.

Brent became sympathetic to say goodbye to him and open up the larger story. Otherwise, he'd continue to be the boogeyman who screwed up Nikki's life/ continued making threats at the mc. Honestly, it feels like the men in this world are good or evil while the men around the women shape the women's morality.
Yeah, I think I basically said as much in my comment you replied to, or at least that's how I meant it. Trust me, I don't really spend too much time on this earth giving sympathy to the devil, it's far too common that victims don't get enough attention as it is. It's more like when I'm in a particularly thoughtful mindset, positively philosophical, which is what I meant when I said "really, really, really open" in my comment, as in you set aside your preconceptions for a moment. I could've put more reallys I suppose. :LOL:

I still think it can be done, though, after all it's sort of kind of happening with our MC if you play the dark path; the game doesn't directly insult the audience with "please feel sorry for this monster", it just lets you watch the true ugliness of existence unfold and decide for yourself. For me, a little tinge of sympathy isn't completely out of the picture; it gives a story even more depth and really makes you think about things.

Speaking of the devil, not that Isabella is as evil as dark MC or Lucien, that's partly why I think a relationship with her would be so fascinating (and hot in a fucked up way.. o_o). She could be our succubus :love:
 
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NeonGhosts

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I think i need to start a fresh game i keep getting errors every other sentence
Go back to the end of Chapter 8 (where Risa takes you to meet Lucien) and see if you still have that problem. Chapter 9 leaked here before all the variables were set, and as such a lot of people are dealing with broken saves now.
 
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zaqrwe

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Go back to the end of Chapter 8 (where Risa takes you to meet Lucien) and see if you still have that problem. Chapter 9 leaked here before all the variables were set, and as such a lot of people are dealing with broken saves now.
Hey, I have a question, also about CH9. During playing version 0.70b I did not see certain choices in CH9 despite having the patch. Are they perhaps locked behind some minimum Darkness points requirements?
 
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