Others Completed Future Fragments [v1.0.1] [HentaiWriter]

[HentaiWriter]

(I prefere not to cite directly) There's a (I feel pretty known) game with ingame lore that says the atmosphere make everyone lewd, with a kind of ennemy that spit gaz that force you into lewd animation, then come and have sex (so mind alteration). And the sex heals you in that game (so positive effect).

So, if you have exemple, I'm curious what additional context can allow it ?

If that's the entire context, then yeah, that would be bannable. So it falls into Patreon just not knowing about it.

 

[dragonsix6969]

If you mean the Ice Level boss, he never did mind control; he was freezing the receptors in the part of Talia's brain that deal with orgasm so she'd endlessly have orgasms.

As for the reasons we took that part out and reworked the context of the scene (while keeping the same sex animation, minus the glossy, drooling expression part);

1) everything else in the game sexually was, at worst, dark comedy, but generally it was thematically pretty light; in hindsight, that scene felt way out of left field and was pretty brutal by comparison, which is what also made reason #3 down there manifest

2) of course, as you all know, anything to do with mind control, mind break, etc. = patreon bantown incoming

3) this one i can't elaborate on, but it was also a significant reason; i'm just going to say it really would make the plot of the game make no sense if he mindbreaks you, not because he can't, but because it would be a really dissonant character action for the Celodst Emperor in the scope of the ful



v0.48v1 is the updated fire level, but it's extremely, extremely miniscule, with only 4 maps meant to show off that;

- we got the level working with the new engine (fixed all the issues from it being in the old engine all this time)
- the new tilesets / visuals / parallax
- the new mechanics
- the new music / audio

v0.48v2 is coming on Monday night (November 30th), and will be also only about 7-10 maps, but this is because of two reasons;

- I've spent all month doing script for the game and have had literally no time to do maps until the last two days of the month
- Frouge has spent all month doing the powerup reworks which we'd put on hold until we had all the levels incorporated into the engine, and some of these powerups are fairly dramatic changes in gameplay, so it's taken a while.


There's three examples above; they're all WIPs, of course.

v0.48v3 should be the final fire demo to end the "normal" demos and should be out at the end of December.

i am about glider

 

[lonelywolfy]

If you mean the Ice Level boss, he never did mind control; he was freezing the receptors in the part of Talia's brain that deal with orgasm so she'd endlessly have orgasms.

Wait ? that's one of your explanation that got ok to patreon ? Like messing with the brain isn't messing with the mind ?
It's like saying I made her drink pheromonal potion, but that doesn't alter her judgment, just make her deeply in heat so she have to fuck the first she see quickly to return to normal, cause cum is the antidot to stop her from perma-orgasm...
(i'm really trying to understand the line there... very blurry, if you ask me)

 

[HentaiWriter]

i am about glider

We changed that a long, long time ago though.

Wait ? that's one of your explanation that got ok to patreon ? Like messing with the brain isn't messing with the mind ?

It is something that was against Patreon rules, yes, which is part of why we changed it long ago; we just didn't get back around to the Ice Level demo until now, so there was no point in mentioning that we'd changed it.

When we had Patreon hand-check our game, it was around the time of the Electric Level demo, by which point we'd already removed both of the objectionable events.

Also around the time of the Electric Level demo, we had hired our new programmer, whose skills allowed us much more freedom with the story in the game, which is why the story could become more in-depth/we started taking the story mechanics more seriously, which is why we made those changes around that time as a result (and why we also checked with Patreon as well after the changes, despite those changes being in levels that hadn't been in the demos in nearly a year for Ice, and 2 years for Fire).

 

[lonelywolfy]

Gosh, I can't fathom the limit of patreon. But ok, I guess. Thanks for taking time to answer.
I'll only buy game through steam, avoid giving money to them...

 

[HentaiWriter]

Gosh, I can't fathom the limit of patreon. But ok, I guess. Thanks for taking time to answer.
I'll only buy game through steam, avoid giving money to them...

Thanks a lot for reading through my posts; if you do want to help us out, definitely wishlist us, cause that helps with steam algorithms.

 

[Hyperfapz0r]

I downloaded 0.48. and it has no lesbian (despite the lesbian tag being there) where can I find the lesbian scenes?

 

[HentaiWriter]

I downloaded 0.48. and it has no lesbian (despite the lesbian tag being there) where can I find the lesbian scenes?

v0.45v2 has a semi-lesbian scene if you lose to the boss, but the main one we have planned for the game hasn't been implemented in any of the demos yet, and it'll only be in the full game.

 

[Hyperfapz0r]

Thank you for the quick response. I'll be looking forward to the full game.

 

[HentaiWriter]

Thank you for the quick response. I'll be looking forward to the full game.

Thanks for asking the question hopefully you enjoy the full game!

 

[PlasmaWisp]

HentaiWriter Hey, just props to you for working with the limitations the best you can. I mentioned previously that I played the very very first Fire Demo a loooong time ago, and the game has come such a long way. I’ve seen several games also trying their best to work with Patreon’s limitations, which a lot of them follow begrudgingly, so while there may be other less restrictive platforms out there, Patreon is the most widely known crowd funding platform, so it’s really like you don’t have a choice. Anyhoo, give your team a good pat on the back, and finish strong, ya’ll are almost there!

 

[156_163_146_167]

can't get buffs or positive effects from the sex (i.e. can't powerup from having sex happen)

I wonder what the reasoning behind that is. Getting fucked by enemies is okay, but as soon as there's a positive aspect to it it's not? Does it have some meta reason like making the player want to see the protagonist getting fucked? If that's it, that's pretty silly considering it's a porn game we're talking about.

 

[Luzar]

Would like to try on Android

 

[HentaiWriter]

I wonder what the reasoning behind that is. Getting fucked by enemies is okay, but as soon as there's a positive aspect to it it's not? Does it have some meta reason like making the player want to see the protagonist getting fucked? If that's it, that's pretty silly considering it's a porn game we're talking about.

Specifically, it's because it would be "glorifying it" (their words, not mine).

For an extreme example, it would be the difference between blowing a guys head off in GTA, and its like ok, whatever

VS. doing the same in some other game and the game is like "ALL RIGHT! YOU FUCKING MADE HIS WIFE A WIDOW! YEAHHHH HERES $50000 TO END SOME MORE LIVES!" as two hands give each other a high five on screen and victory music plays.

It's fine if people are getting off on it, but they dont want to hang a banner up saying it like "YEAH YOU ARE COOL FOR FUCKING HER!"

That said, all the above *might* not apply to if you're playing as the fuck-ee rather than the fuck-er, but better safe than sorry in this case.

(Besides, if we built a powerup system around sex I've wen over before how many gameplay hazards that can cause IMO)

Would like to try on Android

We might have a tablet version out at some point but due to the massive amount of audio files, plus controlling an action game on mobile where pressing 2 buttons plus a direction is the norm, plus the text size being probably too small to read on phone, I can't guarantee you we'll port it to mobile, but we'll try.

 

[Neverscored]

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The conext here is that, in fantasy-land, hypnosis, unlike real life, is assumed to be absolute.

So hypnosis, mind control, etc. is an "absolute removal of free will", thus it falls into objective non-consensual territory, which is why it was banned; a large example of someone getting banned for this is CypressZeta, who did Snow Daze, specifically for the reason of hypnosis.
Other large developers doing similar games have been banned too.

(The "absolute removal" thing also has context with my replies below.)

Is this rule stupid? Yes. But I have no power to change it or do anything about it, I'm just saying why they do ban it.

Actually, Patreon allows that content in our game; it's even in their ToS.
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"We understand that some topics on this list such as incest or rape are a little bit more complicated because these situations are, unfortunately, part of real life. As a result, when reviewing these types of creations, the Trust and Safety team will take into consideration context including personal, historical or educational narrative. For example, survivor stories or fiction such as Game of Thrones or Lolita are allowed on Patreon."

The reason I bolded "survivor stories" is because that's what the term here is that's being used.

We don't have a definitive list from Patreon, but what we've compiled together from emails sent to different devs that got cleared on this, plus general investigative work/connecting the dots, is that if your game has the following conditions;

• protagonist has to be the one getting fucked, not the one doing the fucking
• protagonist can't be beat up or bloodied at all
• protagonist can't be traumatized or degraded or etc.
• protagonist has to have a way to fight back (magic/guns/martial arts etc.)
• protagonist has to be of legal age
• can't get buffs or positive effects from the sex (i.e. can't powerup from having sex happen)

Then you're likely in the clear.
I know that multiple Patreon staff members know about our game, and they've cleared it due to our game having those features more than likely; I've spread this info on multiple places too, so it's not some sort of secret I'm hoarding for myself.

This all makes sense, I appreciate the explanation.

That being said, this paints Patreon as a needlessly brassbound, ball-less company who will gladly make money off a pornographic project while, simultaneously, banning content it views as morally-reprehensible. There's no U.S. law against depictions of hypnosis or non-consent in pornography, for instance. There's plenty of depictions of those things in Hollywood film as well. What sense does it make to arbitrarily forbid content that wouldn't get the site in any legal trouble?

You're clearly stuck with Patreon for this particular project, but I'm begging you: please find a better crowdfunding host for whatever projects follow Future Fragments. We can hand-wave content being removed with clever writing all we want (just as you can justify or add content that way), but Patreon meddling clearly played enough of a role to bother mentioning it. I'm not asking you to reply to me with "yeah, we will definitely abandon Patreon", since you're still in business with them. But please consider it.

tl;dr - If Patreon gets something I actually like removed from this game, or Faye's Game™, I'm going to leave a bag of burning shit on the porch of their office.

 

[HentaiWriter]

This all makes sense, I appreciate the explanation.

That being said, this paints Patreon as a needlessly brassbound, ball-less company who will gladly make money off a pornographic project while, simultaneously, banning content it views as morally-reprehensible. There's no U.S. law against depictions of hypnosis or non-consent in pornography, for instance. There's plenty of depictions of those things in Hollywood film as well. What sense does it make to arbitrarily forbid content that wouldn't get the site in any legal trouble?

So, I originally had this in the original post, but I took it out because I thought I already had a big enough wall of text in it and I didn't want people to just sleep through the post, but let me re-post what I had in there explaining why Patreon does this.

Before I post this though, to be clear, this isn't in defense of Patreon or censorship of adult content in general; this is more just explaining matter-of-factly why they do the things they do.

The main problem is actually with Visa/Mastercard, and before that even, it's a problem with the culture of the country we're in.

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If you search "1.3.3.4" on that PDF, you'll be brought to a section that shows all the content that Visa has banned for places using its service to process credit card payments.

It's identical to the only content Patreon bans (if you expand it out into hypno as non-consent).

Additionally, Patreon's also trying to avoid being branded as an "adult site", which means Visa/Mastercard would slap it with "high risk transactions" rules, which are a big deal for sites like Patreon because it means backers would have far less of thier money go to creators due to much, much higher fees per transaction; this is why practically no sites prior to Patreon ever succeeded in being a hub for people to make these kinds of games on (Offbeatr, for instance) because the fees were simply too high.

Cycling back to the culture thing, you can pay for everything on that "banned list" in Japan, with your Visa/Mastercard, but you can't do it in America. Why?

Because the culture of the USA would find it reprehensible to buy that content in America, but Japanese culture generally doesn't get as outraged by it. Thus, Visa/Mastercard enact different rules, per country (this is why that terms of service address reads usa.visa.com), and as a result, those rules are then handed down to Patreon.
If Patreon ignores those rules, best case, they get branded an adult site. Worst case, they lose the ability to process payments and the site dies.

Don't get me wrong; Patreon definitely has some issues, I'm just clarifying why they have the rules they do have.

You're clearly stuck with Patreon for this particular project, but I'm begging you: please find a better crowdfunding host for whatever projects follow Future Fragments. We can hand-wave content being removed with clever writing all we want (just as you can justify or add content that way), but Patreon meddling clearly played enough of a role to bother mentioning it. I'm not asking you to reply to me with "yeah, we will definitely abandon Patreon", since you're still in business with them. But please consider it.

tl;dr - If Patreon gets something I actually like removed from this game, or Faye's Game™, I'm going to leave a bag of burning shit on the porch of their office.

So the ideal situation would be that Future Fragments sells like gangbusters, both in its initial big sales period of the first 5 weeks (which is why we'd like to humbly ask for people to not pirate the game during those 5 weeks, as it's when a majority of a games's sales are made), and in residual sales over time.

If it does do really well, we won't have to worry about having enough money to sink into Faye's game, as well as keep a roof over our heads while we work on it, and not be beholden to any sort of crowdfunding service as a result.

Now, that said, in any circumstance, if we do stay on Patreon through Faye's game, we'll likely still be making enough money off of Future Fragments's sales that if we did get told we had to remove any content, we could just leave Patreon without financial worries due to those residual sales.

 

[IamPsychoTheRapist]

Does anyone have the save file for the 0.27p version? old save dont work and just changing 'gallery: 0' to 'gallery: 1' in the save file doesnt work either

 

[HentaiWriter]

streaming map creation for future fragments over at

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[HentaiWriter]

v0.48v2 came out yesterday

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[TheNextOne]

why are there suddenly like ten 5 star reviews for this game in a span of a few hours?.... suspicious...