I made that comment mainly to see if I could fish for an HW DM. And it worked.
This was fun.
This was fun.
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- May 21, 2020
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HW in everyone's DMs pulling out every excuse in the book to justify delaying the full release/demo/demo of a demo again:
Out of curiosity, which circle made this chart and for which games? Always looking for more to play
That's from Hakkaku who made Mission Mermaiden and is actually very close to releasing their new game, Hachina's Ghost Story? I think is called.
It's what the other guy said.
I made a post linking the blog, but someone reported it to get it deleted.
Based. That game looks like it's gonna be really good.
As for charts and stuff, I don't think 'explaining' is the answer here.
It doesn't matter how transparent things are or how much of the game we're told is done, because we were told that the game was days away from full release months ago.
So we don't trust HW when he tells us how done the game is, and collating data and building charts about how finished things are (or aren't) will just take time away from actual development.
No, the only way to handle community relations right now is total silence until there's something playable to share.
Literally not even a 'I'm uploading the demo right now' cos if your fucking internet goes out and the upload gets delayed, (and it will, given the game's track record) then you're just gonna get more bad feelings.
The next post from HW oughta be the word 'demo' followed by a download link.
Then give it a day for people to have a chance to pay it, and then start talking to the community again.
I mean, I understand why it's a struggle not to come into the thread (or use PMs) to try to defend yourself from all the shittalk that he's been getting, but... uh... There's no defence.
Like, no matter what you explain, what excuses you make, there's nothing that you can 'make people understand' that will magically make people stop being upset, because words alone cannot change the timetable of this game, or remove the promises that you should have known better than to make in the first place.
So it's better to say nothing until you have something to show.
Literally tune out of the thread entirely, if possible.
Frankly, the best possible result for HW is that everybody in this thread forgets about the game entirely and stops talking about it until an update drops.
Hentaiwriter:
The demo should be ready soon; not going to give an ETA though as Frouge needs time to fix the remaining bugs in it.
Outside of that, cutscene progress was still slow this time as I finished up fixing things for the level (as the demo we're putting out is part of the full game 1:1 remember, so work on it is work on the full game).
As a reminder, cutscenes are all of different lengths and content density; roughly the same amount of work is being done each week regardless of the actual number going down. Still by far on track for 2023, too!
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The demo should be ready soon; not going to give an ETA though as Frouge needs time to fix the remaining bugs in it.
Outside of that, cutscene progress was still slow this time as I finished up fixing things for the level (as the demo we're putting out is part of the full game 1:1 remember, so work on it is work on the full game).
As a reminder, cutscenes are all of different lengths and content density; roughly the same amount of work is being done each week regardless of the actual number going down. Still by far on track for 2023, too!
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Man, they're going to be cutting the 2023 release date close at their current rate. It's no surprise to me that the bug counter went up, thats expected given they are stitching everything together and will likely continue to increase... however given the state of the fire demo (week 3 of them bug squashing) this leads me to believe the other 4 levels of the game are likely not put together yet, and haven't been bug tested either and while other levels probably won't have as many bugs between that, the 1-2 cutscenes every other week, and the fact that iirc earlier in this thread HW said they need to get approved by steam before they can release it anywhere, if they don't have everything done by early december, it's possible we could be seeing a 2024 release.
Poor programmer has to probably squash some 100+ bugs in the next 80 days (thats the end of November) in addition to all his extra stuff if they want any chance of releasing it before 2024. I don't know how committed HW is to meeting his "definitely releasing in 2023!" motto he's been saying the last year (and given the past release dates I'm gong assume not very) but if he hasn't already he should consider organizing his bugs by priority. Game breaking bugs take more priority to patch then audio bugs or bugs that require extremely specific circumstance to recreate, or harmless bugs. As long as the game doesn't have game breaking stuff on release you can always patch the minor bugs.
Poor programmer has to probably squash some 100+ bugs in the next 80 days (thats the end of November) in addition to all his extra stuff if they want any chance of releasing it before 2024. I don't know how committed HW is to meeting his "definitely releasing in 2023!" motto he's been saying the last year (and given the past release dates I'm gong assume not very) but if he hasn't already he should consider organizing his bugs by priority. Game breaking bugs take more priority to patch then audio bugs or bugs that require extremely specific circumstance to recreate, or harmless bugs. As long as the game doesn't have game breaking stuff on release you can always patch the minor bugs.
- Aug 31, 2021
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They're not going to cut it close, they're going to completely overshoot 2023. I haven't followed FF very much at all. But it is a genuine impossibility for them to ship this game out before the end of this year.
If they have had massive trouble with just sending out a single stage. Then there is no way in hell they are going to be able to fix up the rest of the stages in just 3-4 months time. If they start to seriously want to push the game out then I predict march-June would be the release date at this time. Though I think they're going to blow everyones minds and somehow not have it out even then.
I mean, people hoping for a 2023 release are so high on copium that they should most likely be in the hospital for OD. With FF's trackrecord, I could see them somehow stretch it out into 2025.
- Feb 3, 2023
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Look, there's plenty to criticize about HW and their very small team but context does matter. They lack an ability to properly estimate anything and that should be rightly talked about as concernable or problematic. I'm just not a fan of the "criticism" I've seen lampooned here that feels more like easy dunks and snarky, entitled nonsense than actual critique.
Critique what? We have nothing to critique save for missed release dates and the occasional personal message, that's the major issue. I'd love to critique the new fire demo, believe me, but a month has come and gone and I'm still waiting for the mythical '24 hours' to arrive.
Yeah, the way a lot of the people in this thread go on you'd think HW had personally hacked into their Steam account and deleted all their games or something. There's some really childish behaviour from many on this forum who are now gloating over the delays and deliberately trying to provoke HW with troll messages and spreading false info and speculation.
What's more is this is coming from people most of whom will likely never spend a cent on the game and are just impatiently waiting to pirate it. If FF is such a scam, where's the outrage from all the patrons requesting refunds from HW (as he's offered)? You don't hear it, cause nearly all the people whinging here and crying "another delay! shame!" are just waiting for what they consider a free game.
There was an old saying on the web about software along the lines of: if you're getting it for free, be grateful and don't hassle the devs. Shame that so many people feel so entitled these days.
I'm looking forwards to it, whenever that happens to be. I get feeling misled and blue-balls'd over missed deadlines, but for most people here, their only investment is emotional - and by now it seems to have become more about getting vindication on all the negative things they've had to say, than the game its self.
The thing is that people with responsibilities, jobs, and the spare income to put towards a patreon - especially those who are in or have experience in software development or project management themselves - and who are financially invested in the product, are going to be much more understanding and forgiving when it comes to delays. If they weren't, they wouldn't continue funding. Things come up - unforseen delays happen at the last minute, team members' schedules are interrupted, you find that one thing that can "easily" be improved or polished, or any number of reasons something can be delayed by months, weeks, days. You can be spiteful, petty and entitled about it all you like, it's not going to make the game come out any faster, and it's only going to make the person it's directed towards that much less receptive to whatever else you might have to say.
When the game comes out, I will pirate it, and I'll be grateful that I can. I'll be grateful that HW isn't going out of their way to waste their time squashing links. And I'm grateful that they engaged with this forum at all, in spite of all the spite.
The thing is that people with responsibilities, jobs, and the spare income to put towards a patreon - especially those who are in or have experience in software development or project management themselves - and who are financially invested in the product, are going to be much more understanding and forgiving when it comes to delays. If they weren't, they wouldn't continue funding. Things come up - unforseen delays happen at the last minute, team members' schedules are interrupted, you find that one thing that can "easily" be improved or polished, or any number of reasons something can be delayed by months, weeks, days. You can be spiteful, petty and entitled about it all you like, it's not going to make the game come out any faster, and it's only going to make the person it's directed towards that much less receptive to whatever else you might have to say.
When the game comes out, I will pirate it, and I'll be grateful that I can. I'll be grateful that HW isn't going out of their way to waste their time squashing links. And I'm grateful that they engaged with this forum at all, in spite of all the spite.
There were critique posts and reviews.
They were deleted at the request of the developer.
It got so bad that the moderators made a separate thread to make fun of him for doing that.
This place breeds entitlement. It's not just this thread, its every thread the moment there is any kind of problem or slow down with development or even changes to character designs or fetish content. Conspiracy theories, scam accusations, and plenty of fake news immediately come out. Not to mention people immediately trying to cancel the game... on a pirate site.
This game may deserve the criticism, sure. But you are spot on about the entitled snobs that gather at this site and spout off nonsense.
- Aug 4, 2020
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Pretty much...thanks for having common sense compared to some others around here. Some of the criticism around here has been plain false, other criticism made wrong assumptions, and most of them were very subjective or needlessly predictive.
That's literaly the whole point. We've nothing to critique yet people have been spamming this freaking thread like mad.
This is why the other thread was created ffs - people just wouldn't shut the hell up no matter what the mods did, even though the game stopped getting updates. People were just clicking this thread to say "omg it's been ONE MORE DAY since last I've complained that this game isn't out yet" like mf, we get it, go touch some fucking grass and move on...
And that's what makes it all the more painful, because from the demos I've played there really is a fun platformer there buried behind all the delays and whatnot. If not for the dev schedule being constantly pushed back this could have been one of the most positively received h-games in recent memory, but because it keeps getting delayed the frustration just compounds on itself
- Feb 3, 2023
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I honestly think HWs ambition (despite have a tiny as fuck team) is probably my biggest hangup with development and I've only followed this game for almost two years. I've told them this to their face.
Having reasonable expectations and aspirations is important.
Having reasonable expectations and aspirations is important.
Almost a month ago I joked about the fire level demo not being released in 2023 and it's looking more and more to become reality. I hope to eat my words in the next few weeks but currently the way things seem to be going it mighty doesnt look like the fire level demo or the game itself will see a release this year or ever
- Aug 4, 2020
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I really think that a platformer with some interesting mechanics, voiced dialogue, different story paths and sex is perfectly reasonable.
It's a lot of content to put in place, sure, but the most groundbreaking stuff (relative to the rest of the game) are the weird combat mechanics.
It's not THAT ambitious, but what they seem to be going STRONG for is quality, which I can't condemn AT ALL. I'd rather have this game release in fucking 2025 than be another generic game from F95 that I don't even think to pay for. I just hope it works out for them financially.
I won't take a break from this thread, because I check it to see if the game released, though you make a good point that I should just look in the discord instead of looking at all the crap going around here. But you know, I thought these threads were mainly for fans, players and supporters of the games, not for the haters. My bad for the misunderstanding.