Others Completed Future Fragments [v1.0.1] [HentaiWriter]

[Noble 6]

As long as things don't go too far and you're not insulting anyone, I think it's fine to share an opinion, even a pessimistic one. However, I think it would be important to think about the outcome you guys want to see come to fruition. Being pessimistic seldom helps things improve.

You have a point. But as I said, any criticism (constructive or not) would be deleted at the demands of the developer.
It drained peoples' desires to be constructive. I had a string of like six posts all offering suggestions on how to improve the transparency of development and updates all wiped, because... I'm still waiting on a reason for that, actually. He even took most of the advice, but still demanded that the mods ban me for suggesting it.
It's some of the worst PR work I've seen for a game since that one Mighty Number 9 community manager.

 

[Rixen]

You have a point. But as I said, any criticism (constructive or not) would be deleted at the demands of the developer.
It drained peoples' desires to be constructive. I had a string of like six posts all offering suggestions on how to improve the transparency of development and updates all wiped, because... I'm still waiting on a reason for that, actually. He even took most of the advice, but still demanded that the mods ban me for suggesting it.
It's some of the worst PR work I've seen for a game since that one Mighty Number 9 community manager.

Well, HentaiWriter is crying about you on Discord right now. And as a answer to a guy who wants to "take down F95", he said, and I quote "eh when the game comes out I already got plans for that thread lol", whatever that means.
Guess he'll DDoS F95 so we can't get the game for free or something lmao

I have to say that I'm quite a newcomer when it comes to this game, so I haven't seen anything when it comes to the drama of the previous years, but it's incredibly entertaining. And hopefully it actually releases when it's supposed to because the demo is genuinely good.

 

[Ambir]

You have a point. But as I said, any criticism (constructive or not) would be deleted at the demands of the developer.
It drained peoples' desires to be constructive. I had a string of like six posts all offering suggestions on how to improve the transparency of development and updates all wiped, because... I'm still waiting on a reason for that, actually. He even took most of the advice, but still demanded that the mods ban me for suggesting it.
It's some of the worst PR work I've seen for a game since that one Mighty Number 9 community manager.

From what I've seen everyone is kinda fed up with this. The mods are tired of the drama and don't want to have to intervene anymore. You seem to be annoyed because some of your posts have been removed and HentaiWriter has also complained about how things were unfolding in the thread as well.

I think everyone should just calm down, have a civil discussion and just chill until the game releases or at least until there's something that comes out to talk about where the game is concerned.

So far, all of the answers to me have been cordial, if a little downcast, so I think that if everyone makes an effort, this situation can be turned around and have a positive outcome yet.

 

[Noble 6]

Well, HentaiWriter is crying about you on Discord right now. And as a answer to a guy who wants to "take down F95", he said, and I quote "eh when the game comes out I already got plans for that thread lol", whatever that means.
Guess he'll DDoS F95 so we can't get the game for free or something lmao

I can't tell if the "guy who wants to take down F95" is meant to be me or not, I've only ever ended up having problems in this specific thread. The rest of the site is fine by me. No other dev has treated me that way, and I can think of at least one dev who implemented a change to their game based on my own suggestion.

But that latter part sounds actionable. If he tries to fuck with the site, be it DDoS or DMCA, nobody will be left to defend him and people will take that as open-season to pirate his (singular) released game, if it does come out.
It would mean he'd be claiming that the entire thread was only for PR, but he also put in the worst PR work ever.

 

[HornyLee]

First of all, I would like to say that I am not one of the people who accuses HW of any conspiracy theories. I just find his behavior incredibly strange. Why do you constantly make false promises and constantly try to convince people that he won't incinerate them? Then the pattern of excuses or justifications repeats, which confuses me. Then an image is published on Discord where you can see the folders with the levels and versions, some of which are older than the current demo. He says the team works incredibly hard every day and they barely get any sleep. Where I think to myself, why do you now want to project this image of yourself as working yourself to ruin? Take your time and don't stress yourself out. Now he says he has people testing the game, didn't he have them before? I mean, I think he did two progress reports every month. What kind of cut scenes are these that cause such big bugs to appear? As far as I'm concerned, development could take 20 years, I mean, it's not my game and I'm grateful for everything. The only thing I'm allergic to is false promises because it gives me the urge to find out the truth. I just ask myself whether there has been any active work on the game in the last few years. I left the Discord a month ago, so I don't know what he's written or shown in the meantime. But why doesn't he just show a video as proof where you can clearly see the problem. I think then he would mute all critics. Just getting upset about criticism here is stupid, I think it's somehow part of it and even if it's overwhelmingly negative, I mean he's being talked about and getting promo for his game at the same time. That's just part of it. Only if you don't communicate properly and say what's important, I don't think you should be surprised that people are getting upset here. I mean, in the end there are a lot of disappointed people who are a little upset because they were promised a game years ago. That should tell you that the game can only be good. And on the subject of money, I mean I already knew that it wouldn't be free when he said if it wasn't finished by then it wouldn't cost anything and now what he says that he already has a plan for f95 just shows me that something isn't going right. But at the same time, maybe I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist because I can just smell that something is fishy. Maybe because I haven't bathed in a long time.

In any case, HW doesn't have to worry about me pirating the game because I've lost interest in it.

 

[burryniceuser]

Where I think to myself, why do you now want to project this image of yourself as working yourself to ruin?

If that were the case he wouldn't have so much spare time to PM everyone in this thread and cry to mods.

 

[Bulbanych]

And as a answer to a guy who wants to "take down F95", he said, and I quote "eh when the game comes out I already got plans for that thread lol", whatever that means.
Guess he'll DDoS F95 so we can't get the game for free or something lmao

>Makes threads on F95 and ULMF to promote his porn game.
>Acts like an entitled brat every time someone says that his game is not the best thing that happened to a porn game industy.
>Forces (or, at the very least, asks) mods of ULMF to close the thread after being unable to quell the critics.
>Turns F95 thread into such a shit show that mods themselves confirm that he tries to force mods to delete criticism and bad reviews AND make a new thread for unmoderated discussion of this game.
>Straight up disappears from active discussion on F95 threads, yet continues to send walls of text to people that dare ask something.
>Threatens to kill the F95 thread (or the entire site, who knows) once the game releases.

I didn't know that YandereDev had siblings...
I know that this is specifically the PR guy who's doing this shit, and how much of this is endorsed by other 2 members of the dev team is unknown (for better or worse, I haven't heard anything from them, really), but this is THE dumbest PR work that I have ever seen in the porn game industry, and I've been lurking for ages.

 

[HornyLee]

Makes threads on F95 and ULMF to promote his porn game.
>Acts like an entitled brat every time someone says that his game is not the best thing that happened to a porn game industy.
>Forces (or, at the very least, asks) mods of ULMF to close the thread after being unable to quell the critics.
>Turns F95 thread into such a shit show that mods themselves confirm that he tries to force mods to delete criticism and bad reviews AND make a new thread for unmoderated discussion of this game.
>Straight up disappears from active discussion on F95 threads, yet continues to send walls of text to people that dare ask something.
>Threatens to kill the F95 thread (or the entire site, who knows) once the game releases.

Nah, I'm annoyed too, but these are the false statements that actually make everything worse than it is

 

[sirretinee]

(or the entire site, who knows)

They couldn't even get the mods to lock down the main thread and now ya'll think they're going to jump right to a DDOS? This is conjecture, nothing more.

>Threatens to kill the F95 thread

This, however, is more likely. Request the thread be locked down like the ULMF thread AND/OR request that any and all sharing of the completed game be removed asap.

 

[Bulbanych]

They couldn't even get the mods to lock down the main thread and now ya'll think they're going to jump right to a DDOS? This is conjecture, nothing more.


This, however, is more likely. Request the thread be locked down like the ULMF thread AND/OR request that any and all sharing of the completed game be removed asap.

True, I listed the worst possible outcome just in case, who knows if HW will have a YandereDev-level meltdown.
I doubt he'll be able to remove every single download link in any case, though.

 

[HornyLee]

worst possible outcome

Wow

 

[Bulbanych]

Wow

I mean, a site getting nuked because porn game dev got butthurt is a quite a terrible outcome. I don't think he can do something site-scale, but HW shown multiple times that he has some problems when it comes to taking criticism, so I wouldn't put it past him to try to do something stupid once the game comes out and people dare pirate his game.

 

[HornyLee]

Then let the facts speak, if everything is so bad, I'm open to everything. Why not just collect the things here with proof.

I mean, a site getting nuked because porn game dev got butthurt is a quite a terrible outcome.

This, for example, is an allegation without evidence.If you find any evidence of this I am immediately ready to listen or am I wrong ?because otherwise it's simply not true

 

[RedPillBlues]

This, however, is more likely. Request the thread be locked down like the ULMF thread AND/OR request that any and all sharing of the completed game be removed asap.

This will never happen. Trust me, no matter how out of it anyone claims Hentaiwriter to be, even at said worst the staff on the site have dealt with much much worse. There's simply no leverage they would have to pull that off outside of possibly adding something Rule 7, which they couldn't do since you know steam and patreon.

Also is there even a link to where they said they would "kill" the site/thread? Not directed at you Sirretinee

 

[DrDerpington]

You have a point. But as I said, any criticism (constructive or not) would be deleted at the demands of the developer.
It drained peoples' desires to be constructive. I had a string of like six posts all offering suggestions on how to improve the transparency of development and updates all wiped, because... I'm still waiting on a reason for that, actually. He even took most of the advice, but still demanded that the mods ban me for suggesting it.
It's some of the worst PR work I've seen for a game since that one Mighty Number 9 community manager.

Hi, I totally missed all the drama and I am new to this thread. But I remember reading about this game (Future Fragments) on another site and they mentioned this developer admitted somewhere that he is doing bare minimum amount of work and still making money.
I dont think the dev wants any of your "constructive suggestions how to improve transparency of development". It would work against him. That's why he will try to censor any feedback that could point out his bad work ethic. So dont bother.

Anyway nice game, but it has terrible development speed. "Play once and then wait few years" type.

 

[TJ412]

Yeah I'm hearing a lot of unsubstantiated claims and accusations, and no actual evidence. What are the links to the ULMF and the other F95 thread meant to actually prove?
And could it not just be that HW is bad at setting and meeting release targets, got a bunch of (understandable, to a very slight degree) vitriol directed towards them for it, and wanted the threads to be moderated for that reason so they could be focused on discussion relevant to the actual game?

 

[Xeline]

Hi, I totally missed all the drama and I am new to this thread. But I remember reading about this game (Future Fragments) on another site and they mentioned this developer admitted somewhere that he is doing bare minimum amount of work and still making money.

This is an allegation based on anecdotal claims, it should not be mentioned.

 

[TJ412]

>Acts like an entitled brat every time someone says that his game is not the best thing that happened to a porn game industry.

That's your opinion and characterization of his behavior, not objective fact.

Post where HW compares FF writing to major RPGS like Witcher 3

Post where HW responds to someone talking about the wordcount in FF, compared to those of other major RPGs

Pretty reasonable.

Successful AAA games do not have features that FF has

He's talking about workload vs scale and making comparisons between FF and mainstream RPGs, to illustrate that it does incur a high workload and hence is taking a relatively long time. Again, sounds like a reasonable comaprison to make. As I said in my previous post, I do think it's a massive waste of time and effort to include all these different mechanics and the novels upon novels of text in a porn game, but that's past the point.
Your lies of ommission here seem to be intended to misconstrue HW's comparison as likening FF to one of said AAA games.

The seethe
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Only one really seething here is you, it seems.

>Turns F95 thread into such a shit show

Are you sure it's not vitriol coming from you and people who share your opinions and perspective, and how you communicate them, that turned the original thread into a shitshow? Cause I'm not so sure.

that mods themselves confirm that he tries to force mods to delete criticism and bad reviews AND make a new thread for unmoderated discussion of this game.

Second thread I linked, evidence is there straight in the posts from the mods themselves.

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[What are ULMF/F95 threads meant to prove?]
That HW had the ULMF locked on request, after having the first one deleted, and that mods on f95zone confirmed that HW was submitting constant (and wordy) requests to have posts in the thread deleted. It's been very plainly stated, please keep up.

That in and of its self is nothing nefarious. If people are review-bombing the game because of missed release dates and such, are they really legitimate reviews? Is the criticism in good faith, or is it more of the aforementioned vitriol?

>Straight up disappears from active discussion on F95 threads, yet continues to send walls of text to people that dare ask something.

Page 182 of this thread has some of the PM incidents, with HW MIA.

Read through Bulbanych's posts. Nothing said there is unreasonable.

>Threatens to kill the F95 thread (or the entire site, who knows) once the game releases.

The questionable and likely false statement. However, when provided with the message that HW was replying to (before the edit):

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You can see why Rixen could have come to that conclusion.

Yeah, reading far too deep into things + confirmation bias. When you've got yourself into an adversarial relationship with someone it's easy to take any vague statement of theirs at its worst possible meaning.

This thread is marked 'abandoned' by the mod team for a reason, my guy. There is no more game to be discussed, there hasn't been for a good couple of years at this point. At this point it's just waiting to see this overdue 'unpolished' fire level demo and seeing where all of the patreon money that's been flowing in from 2014/2015 has gone to in this 2D platformer.

Having the thread 'moderated' is one thing, then there's the rest of HW's behaviour both on this site and out of it. Best thing they can do is just to cease paying attention to this thread if they're not going to post on it and work on their game instead, just stick to their discord if people want to share arsepats around there.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice

 

[Mhiggey]

That's your opinion and characterization of his behavior, not objective fact.

What a useless thing to say. First, obviously not just my own opinion considering that the line you quoted wasn't one that I wrote, it was being referenced in a reply. Second, the point was covering how someone's behaviour in and out of a thread was perceived, and it's pretty fucking obvious reading this thread that a number of posters don't like how HW conducts himself. You can try and pull the 'well I don't think he was being entitled' card, but then all you're doing is providing your own subjective opinion on the matter.

Your lies of ommission here seem to be intended to misconstrue HW's comparison as likening FF to one of said AAA games.

HW often likens FF to AAA games in order to justify AAA-levels of development time, such as below:


Maybe trying to 'outdo' Skyrim's levels of 'individual NPCs' in your sidescrolling porn platformer isn't the best use of your crowdfunded budget.

Only one really seething here is you, it seems.

You seem pretty invested on one side yourself if that's all you have to say to that screenshot.

Are you sure it's not vitriol coming from you and people who share your opinions and perspective, and how you communicate them, that turned the original thread into a shitshow? Cause I'm not so sure.

Pretty sure it's failing to release the game by 2018, 2019, 2020, for free in 2021, 2022, 2023 (TBA) that might have caused people to have some second thoughts. Then there was the lying about the steam release and blaming them for delaying it at Christmas, the evidence that they were actively petitioning mods to have user posts deleted, then there was the 'fire demo in 24 hours!' promise.

These last few pages are mere kindling compared to that.

That in and of its self is nothing nefarious. If people are review-bombing the game because of missed release dates and such, are they really legitimate reviews? Is the criticism in good faith, or is it more of the aforementioned vitriol?

Yes, people taking issue with crowdfunded projects continuing on in dev hell while the dev/PR guy lies through their teeth about it repeatedly is legitimate. If you want to use forums to spruk your game for money, then expecting people to not ask questions when it doesn't appear within your own scheduled release time and then get mad when you lead them on, is probably not the right game plan. Hw is under no obligation as a dev to continue to post in this thread, and likewise users are free to post their opinions about the game in the thread as long as the mods deem the thread still worthy of life.

And as it seems, the mods ended up deeming HW's bitching about the thread to be more annoying then the thread remaining unlocked.

Yeah, reading far too deep into things + confirmation bias. When you've got yourself into an adversarial relationship with someone it's easy to take any vague statement of theirs at its worst possible meaning.

As I said the claim that HW is going to mess with the site is questionable, but threatening to mess with a thread while having a history of trying to have threads removed outright is something that raises questions with posters (such as the guy who made the claim in the first place). Having the discord brigade squad show up and drop their spaghetti after HW complains about it in the discord is more than a coincidence as well.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice

I ain't the one crying in discord about the thread, nor am I the game dev/writer who's five years overdue and apparently a good couple of grand in the hole.

still don't get it

That's a you problem them.

and that is evidence of ?

>Turns F95 thread into such a shit show that mods themselves confirm that he tries to force mods to delete criticism and bad reviews AND make a new thread for unmoderated discussion of this game.

You've got a screenshot from the mod right there.

who is this

Sprite artist for the game, the original thread had a bunch of WIP sprites and animations that were cut from the game or used as a showcase.

Here again, if you saw that good and bad things were deleted you must have read them, my question is what was deleted?

I posted it. You aren't getting a word-for-word retelling of every post in a thread HW had deleted seven years ago, unless ULMF has site backups that old.

I can't say anything about that point, I knew that he had once said that it should somehow be free for a short time

Those adjectives...




So yeah, the next time someone tells you that HW has been pushing this '99% done pinky promise' thing for a while you better believe it.

I mean, your texts consist of some imaginary statements and accusations. say something meaningful

Screenshots don't lie.

 

[Xeline]

It is noteworthy to mention HW and others had health issues that winter.

I'm convinced you would prefer patreons who have literally walked away with money and disappeared quietly into the night after years of showing far less than HW has.