ALDragonus

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Jun 18, 2017
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first boss is a disaster of bad design, even on easy mode I can't possibly shoot it fast enough to make it slow down and not get me, and I always hit the barriers that take too many shots to kill THOSE, so I am screwed no matter what mix of boss attacking and barrier attacking I use.
You need to use Cartography Brush (More damage the further the bullet travels) and Four-Leaf Clover (Shots split the lower your health) to maximize the damage (reduce your HP a little before the battle - press [H] then leave the stun state then do it again till you are as small as possible without KOing yourself.
 

MattX

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Jan 20, 2018
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Does anyone have a save right after the strong robot boss? I want to see the defeat scenes, but my game messed up my save.
 

yoyomistro

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98% of patreon projects also have communities around them questioning if any progress is being made much like this one, and much like this one the answer is usually "no". So I'm not sure that's a statistic you want to go with lol. And I'll bet you anything that 98% of projects if given the opportunity will also draw out their development over 9 years if given the opportunity to. Like I've said before in this thread, we didn't need to see constant progress updates or trials or anything but the one and only thing you need to do is not give people reason to think you are milking the patreon for money while not working on the game and given the state this game has released in along with the years of promises, release dates, and other stuff I really struggle to be convinced that he wasn't just milking the patreon. If not in the last year, then in years prior.




"""Finished""" indeed. This game has been nearly "finished" for more than 3 years now if the progress reports and blog posts are to be believed. This is why haters exist, the game being released into an incomplete state is secondary, the main focus is on HW and the promises or lies said. Is it a coincidence that the only 2 complete levels (Fire and Electric) are the only 2 levels we got to see demo's for because he had to release them to prove progress was being made? Frankly, I don't know but how does one turn a 5 stage platformer with a million+ dollar budget into a 9+ year long development cycle which releases not only incomplete, but with demo text that was written 3-5+ years ago still in it... add onto the constant review deleting, reporting of any posts critical of him or the game, and stalking of places where discussion happens he's not exactly hard to dislike. I don't personally hate him, but this release has left me sorely disappointed in him.

The perfect game is completely subjective to each person, and each person has their own idea in their head of what the gameplay : porn ratio should be and what type of gameplay or porn they even like, no one is saying FF had to be the perfect game but when you have a dev who makes a big deal about wanting to make a game that "isn't just a porn game" and you repeatedly tell people the game is nearly complete for years only for players to discover "no it ain't" there are some hard questions that need to be asked. I've been working under the assumption for years that he was not milking the patreon and was simply incompetent, but the absolute state this game released in really throws that into question. It especially doesn't help when many of his detractors (myself included) have warned him years in advance that some of his choices were silly, such as the 21 endings, the silver databases, spending so much on voice acting, having such a heavy focus on story, and some of the gameplay issues.

I'm starting to think its time to petition for a "patreon" tag for games because anytime I see a patreon linked on the thread OP it's almost synonymous with "5+ years of dev cycles to not release a game while collecting monthly paychecks.".

EDIT: To add on a point I just thought of. This dev was willing to delay the game and miss release dates 7+ times, but wasn't willing to delay the game 1 month to fix serious issues in the "soft" launch?
I'm under the impression that they had to lock in a release date with steam based on the stage of development the game was at for some reason, and they were "too far into the development process" to release it EA. IDK to what extent that is true, but that's what some people have represented in this thread.
 

censuur

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I'm under the impression that they had to lock in a release date with steam based on the stage of development the game was at for some reason, and they were "too far into the development process" to release it EA. IDK to what extent that is true, but that's what some people have represented in this thread.
Why are you inventing entire narratives when the truth is right in front of you? You don't need to guess. You don't need to make shit up. And you don't need to accept the narratives of people doing those things. I've seen games go into EA that were far more complete than this full 'release'. It's horseshit.
 

yoyomistro

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Why are you inventing entire narratives when the truth is right in front of you? You don't need to guess. You don't need to make shit up. And you don't need to accept the narratives of people doing those things. I've seen games go into EA that were far more complete than this full 'release'. It's horseshit.
Did I say I invented it? I said it was mentioned by other people. I don't have a dog in this fight lol, I'm not guessing, "under the impression" does not mean guessing. I was just reiterating past information that people may not have seen. Don't put words in my mouth, read what I wrote.
 

hawkhunter

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Aug 10, 2017
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Its funny
I read a bunch of complaining about
"The slime boss is impossible"
I didn´t even know that there was a boss. The game just skipped it for me
Probably because I got all 3 golden data banks
 

GallowMorok

Newbie
Jan 8, 2018
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I'm having trouble with the ice level's path 1 fragment, I can get the snowball to spawn, but after that I can't make the jump to the moving platform, the max jump height won't reach it.

edit: nevermind a second snowball spawned while I was running around the level.
 

KingCrimson123!

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Sep 26, 2020
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I tried playing for a bit. Made it through chap 2 before moving on.

The dialogue is too long winded. I suspect that the reason most people have an issue with the first boss is that by that point, many folks will have learned to click through dialogue without reading. It's not just a matter of the dialogue not being sexy, it's that the characters take three text boxes to say stuff that could be done in one, and that's on top of the Databanks which are far too numerous and all of them are three text boxes at minimum it feels like. Because the game unintentionally trains the player to skip through dialogue, and because the boss arena itself is structured like a runaway mission, of course people are gonna assume you can't kill the damn thing. Having Talia announce at the start of battle "Gotta kill it while running," in an single unskippable text box would definitely help. Or hell, just an announcement on screen that says KILL IT, would make that point clear.
 

hawkhunter

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Aug 10, 2017
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Might have something to do with the lava bath you took ;)
Gotta be honest, I skip ALL dialogue in EVERY game
I am a mechanic lover
I´m sure the scientist probably gave a hint about the pit, but it totally looked suspicious in the first place
 

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Multiple violationsTo address some concerns here, if your post has been removed, it will either be for one of the following reasons:
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Is it okay to criticize the creator?

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As long as it's not a personal attack, yes. You can discuss the game and the Dev in this thread.

"The Dev is a piece of shit, I hope he burns"
Is very different to
"The dev has a habit of not updating when they said they would"

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Neverscored

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>be named "hentaiwriter"
>the writing of your hentai game is the worst part


I almost want to ask for the thread's ratings to be reset. Those are 5-star ratings based on demos that promised the moon, and not the actual product released. But then the 300+ Steam reviews are all positive... so maybe the problem was us for not realizing that 10 years of development to release something unfinished was actually a 300 IQ move.
 
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