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Max is only played by teenagers, I do not think any serious player is playing this game(max).I wonder where boys who still go to school find $ 40 a month.
I disagree.

I found Big Brother to be a pretty good game. Personally, I'm playing Glamour because BB never got finished, it's as close as it's going to get. I'll agree though, that the writing and interactions could be better :)

On the other side of the coin, not everyone enjoys playing women MC and have to suffer hours of rug munching, not everyone finds that interesting or arousing. Many AVN players, prefer playing a man corrupting or seducing women, there really isn't any big secret there.
 
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I disagree.

I found Big Brother to be a pretty good game. Personally, I'm playing Glamour because BB never got finished, it's as close as it's going to get. I'll agree though, that the writing and interactions could be better :)

On the other side of the coin, not everyone enjoys playing women MC and have to suffer hours of rug munching, not everyone finds that interesting or arousing. Many AVN players, prefer playing a man corrupting or seducing women, there really isn't any big secret there.
100% agree , and lets bot forget that fans of the original game (who played max back thab) still want max story to continue. I am one of the players that dont like kate's story , simply because icant relate with the character. It's not a bad story , dont get me wrong , but the male protagonist with incest content is more appeling to me :)
 
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Most of the late game Karen/Nicolas-content seemed chaotic and rushed or just cheap. Changing the spanking/paddling punishments to punishments where Kate is forced to suck cock/strap-on and is fucked by Andrew and others as punishment is the point where writing went downhill for me. I don't mind spanking punishments but I really don't like punishment fuckings and I would classify them as rape. The strap-on-scenes with Julia instead are more kinky lesbian-strap-on-sex but don't classify as punishments.

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Thanks for this info. I had just gotten to the ridiculous massage scene with Max and was looking for a way to skip it. Now I see that what started as a decently promising game isn't worth playing. Why take such care to have a player driven lesbian path only to throw it away?
 
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On the other side of the coin, not everyone enjoys playing women MC and have to suffer hours of rug munching, not everyone finds that interesting or arousing. Many AVN players, prefer playing a man corrupting or seducing women, there really isn't any big secret there.
Suffer? I could do with such suffering.
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Suffer? I could do with such suffering.
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Each to their own :).

If you class the games on F95 by weighted rating, then check which ones are the highest on the votes/interests... The highest ones, aren't lesbian ones. Hell, the highest female protagonist games are cumdumpsters games. If you class them by amount of votes, they're even less prominant and even further down.

Sure, some people like that, but let's be direct, most people won't back much, if anything at all, on lesbian games. You've got to go quite far down to find gay &/or lesbian games, because not that many people are interested in that content.

In Glamour's case, the story or gameplay are hardly interesting enough (no offense) to generate interest for non lesbians. I'd sit through a lesbian only game, if the story was worth it, but so far this has never happened.

When you take that in consideration, if the devs wants to make actual money off their games, they either need to write something exceptional, or go with what the greatest amount of people are looking for in an adult game. Going back to the weighted or amount rating on F95, which is pretty much the only metric we have, lesbian games are not sought after much.

As it stands, Kate is boring for both sides of the playerbase. Way too many lesbian stuff for the straights, too dumb and uninteresting for just about everyone, and not enough max for the straights that wants to play him.

Eventually, the dev will probably need to make a decision on what he/she wants to do with the game, but it's virtually impossible to please everybody.
 

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Eventually, the dev will probably need to make a decision on what he/she wants to do with the game, but it's virtually impossible to please everybody.
That's why you usually do different paths in a game. For example BaDIK has kind of 3 different "paths" with DIK, neutral and chick.

For Glamour Kate these could be lesbian, bi and straight path (and later also sub/dom paths). Usually you would make a query before starting development to see how many players are interested in the different paths. Those paths can share content, so the dev does not have to make 3 complete games. Bi and lesbian Kate would share most of the girls while straight and bi Kate would share most of the guys.

As a male player it is difficult to immerse a female mc if she fucks a lot of guys ... this feels just gay, so it is not for everybody. Playing a lesbian path with a sexy female mc instead allows to go for a lot of attractive girls without having a stupid male mc in the cgs which is a win ... a smart female mc like Kate has more options to solve conflicts by talking, seducing, offering sex, ...

Max / BB on the other side is a really 1-dimensional character who just tries to corrupt and get all the girls with his magic cock ... it is hard to imagine how to create different paths for him ... and every other male character in the game would be soon interpreted as a rival, so there are mostly or only female characters besides him.

I have the feeling that with increased focus on Max ( = a cock to fuck them all ) the writing for Kate became 1-dimensional, too. Kate is now close to " a slut to serve them all " with less options than before. She still can turn down secondary characters like Oscar, but to continue the main quests she has to serve Nicolas and Karen/Andrew without options.
 
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I don't really enjoy playing with female MC, the only games I found good to play with a female MC were Good Girl Gone Bad and Chloe18 (this one has a bad engine), but why? the girls have options to prostitute themselves, to become a complete slut,so games like AWAM it's too boring to play, chit chat, romance, I'm out of it. There are games that are suitable for lesbian content, but putting the two together doesn't look very good. Not every game that has high likes is an excellent game, for example, I didn't like Being A Dik and I thought this game was quite overrated, this thing of following paths is not true, just follow one path of each to see where the game will take you, it's a game that basically see the scene or not see the scene, in Being A Dik it's exactly that, if you choose being a Dik you'll see more scenes than being a Chick, it's a waste of time if you choose Chick. There are also other games that have many likes, such as DeLuca Family, another bad game, really bad, it doesn't have enough content but probably there are a lot of teenagers who liked the story and the renderings.
But what the Squishyderpy It's true, people appreciate games that contain a good story, great rendering and ultimately decent gameplay. Although, about what he said is not true. Games that contain X content (lesbian, gay, futa, furry, etc.) will only be for their audience, not everyone likes it, I for example hate it, but games that have incest, milf, loli, corruption, harem, etc. will have a much larger audience.

Max / BB on the other side is a really 1-dimensional character who just tries to corrupt and get all the girls with his magic cock ... it is hard to imagine how to create different paths for him ... and every other male character in the game would be soon interpreted as a rival, so there are mostly or only female characters besides him.
I don't think it's difficult, the problem is that most people don't like NTR, just seeing Eric they get angry, there are people who play Big Brother and think they're in the game incarnating the character of Max, It's funny, but I saw it on the BBAS forum, we try to say, "dude, this is just a game, having NTR you will be seeing sexual content". Everyone who played BB saw Eric as an opponent, a guy that in the game you can bond and release NTR content or be his enemy and kick him out. The problem is that BB's story could be much richer if it weren't for his fans who don't like a challenge. I kept thinking, and if Eric left the house, Max's next opponent could be Olivia, Lisa's school friend, getting Lisa to bond with her boyfriend and Max should stop that and in the end make Olivia submit to Max, anyway, there's really nothing to think about except Max fucks all the women in the house until he gets them pregnant at the end of the game (optional). That's why in the BB story I prefer things to be slower, without having to make the player grind, something that would also give personality to each member of the family, but it seems almost everyone accepts what Max asks, I don't see Alice trying to mock or blackmail Max, I say this because in the abandoned game there are a lot of creativity that could be put in that void, because there were scenes or events that you thought something else would happen but it didn't, so building a relationship and slowly corrupting the family will build a satisfying ending, I believe that after Max fucks his whole family the developer will have no more creativity and will finish the game. Since DS didn't put Eric at the beginning of your game, that's going to happen, there will come a time when you will be sick. Max is fucking Lisa and Kira, then he's going to fuck Ann, Alice and Kate... and then what? It's quite likely that DS will put Max at Kate's college..
 
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I don't think it's difficult, the problem is that most people don't like NTR, just seeing Eric they get angry, there are people who play Big Brother and think they're in the game incarnating the character of Max, It's funny, but I saw it on the BBAS forum, we try to say, "dude, this is just a game, having NTR you will be seeing sexual content". Everyone who played BB saw Eric as an opponent, a guy that in the game you can bond and release NTR content or be his enemy and kick him out. The problem is that BB's story could be much richer if it weren't for his fans who don't like a challenge. I kept thinking, and if Eric left the house, Max's next opponent could be Olivia, Lisa's school friend, getting Lisa to bond with her boyfriend and Max should stop that and in the end make Olivia submit to Max, anyway, there's really nothing to think about except Max fucks all the women in the house until he gets them pregnant at the end of the game (optional). That's why in the BB story I prefer things to be slower, without having to make the player grind, something that would also give personality to each member of the family, but it seems almost everyone accepts what Max asks, I don't see Alice trying to mock or blackmail Max, I say this because in the abandoned game there are a lot of creativity that could be put in that void, because there were scenes or events that you thought something else would happen but it didn't, so building a relationship and slowly corrupting the family will build a satisfying ending, I believe that after Max fucks his whole family the developer will have no more creativity and will finish the game. Since DS didn't put Eric at the beginning of your game, that's going to happen, there will come a time when you will be sick. Max is fucking Lisa and Kira, then he's going to fuck Ann, Alice and Kate... and then what? It's quite likely that DS will put Max at Kate's college..
100% Agree the game without story challanges like Eric its stupid. But unfortunetly the patroens voted no for Eric, cause well they think a female "antagonist" would be better... really? the plot with a man having a female rival to get to fuck his familly its stupid... i get it you dont like ntr , but else the plot is like our friend said - sex kira/alice , than mon and lisa , pregnant ending gg! Where have i seen this plot before?o yeah literally 99% with son/familly incest.
 

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Each to their own :).
True, but if a guy really enjoys "carpet munching" (a weird phrase when women are expected to be shaved), women tend to like that. Yes, I wouldn't mind having to endure hours of cunnilingus. Since so few male protagonists do it, it's nice to see the act done by female characters.
Eventually, the dev will probably need to make a decision on what he/she wants to do with the game, but it's virtually impossible to please everybody.
DS already lets his game be driven by the desires of his $40 donors.
As a male player it is difficult to immerse a female mc if she fucks a lot of guys ... this feels just gay, so it is not for everybody.
Well, much of the porn I watch include male/female interactions, and that doesn't feel gay to me, even if the central figure is a woman. Likewise, playing a female protagonist doesn't feel gay to me either, so your feelings "as a male player," are not universal.
Playing a lesbian path with a sexy female mc instead allows to go for a lot of attractive girls without having a stupid male mc in the cgs which is a win ... a smart female mc like Kate has more options to solve conflicts by talking, seducing, offering sex, ...
The idea that people will only like a game or movie if the protagonist "looks like them," seems rather limiting. I have no problem with a good female protagonist film or game. I don't need the "white straight cis male" viewpoint every time.
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Max / BB on the other side is a really 1-dimensional character who just tries to corrupt and get all the girls with his magic cock ... it is hard to imagine how to create different paths for him ... and every other male character in the game would be soon interpreted as a rival, so there are mostly or only female characters besides him.
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As someone said earlier, a teenage fantasy.
I don't really enjoy playing with female MC, the only games I found good to play with a female MC were Good Girl Gone Bad and Chloe18 (this one has a bad engine), but why? the girls have options to prostitute themselves, to become a complete slut,so games like AWAM it's too boring to play, chit chat, romance, I'm out of it.
Yes, it sounds like you have specific interests and do not want to venture outside of that domain.
Not every game that has high likes is an excellent game, for example, I didn't like Being A Dik and I thought this game was quite overrated, this thing of following paths is not true, just follow one path of each to see where the game will take you, it's a game that basically see the scene or not see the scene, in Being A Dik it's exactly that, if you choose being a Dik you'll see more scenes than being a Chick, it's a waste of time if you choose Chick.
Some of your statements above sound like you consider the final arbiter of what does or does not constitute a good game for everyone. You mentioned you thought Being a DIK was overrated, but in other instances, you seem to be making absolute declarations.
There are also other games that have many likes, such as DeLuca Family, another bad game, really bad, it doesn't have enough content but probably there are a lot of teenagers who liked the story and the renderings.
You may consider it a bad game, but the number of people who do like it suggests that your opinion is in the minority.
Also, one usually sees the slower games more popular with the older players. The "teenagers" are usually seen as the ones complaining that things aren't moving fast enough.
But what the Squishyderpy It's true, people appreciate games that contain a good story, great rendering and ultimately decent gameplay.
Exactly, and many people see that in The DeLuca Family.
 

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Well, much of the porn I watch include male/female interactions, and that doesn't feel gay to me, even if the central figure is a woman. Likewise, playing a female protagonist doesn't feel gay to me either, so your feelings "as a male player," are not universal.

The idea that people will only like a game or movie if the protagonist "looks like them," seems rather limiting. I have no problem with a good female protagonist film or game. I don't need the "white straight cis male" viewpoint every time.
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Max / BB on the other side is a really 1-dimensional character who just tries to corrupt and get all the girls with his magic cock ... it is hard to imagine how to create different paths for him ... and every other male character in the game would be soon interpreted as a rival, so there are mostly or only female characters besides him.

As someone said earlier, a teenage fantasy.

Yes, it sounds like you have specific interests and do not want to venture outside of that domain.

Some of your statements above sound like you consider the final arbiter of what does or does not constitute a good game for everyone. You mentioned you thought Being a DIK was overrated, but in other instances, you seem to be making absolute declarations.

You may consider it a bad game, but the number of people who do like it suggests that your opinion is in the minority.
Also, one usually sees the slower games more popular with the older players. The "teenagers" are usually seen as the ones complaining that things aren't moving fast enough.

Exactly, and many people see that in The DeLuca Family.
Numbers speaks otherwise though. As stated in another post, female protags games are not high ranked unless they're cumdumpsters games, and even those are not that high or numerous on the high ranking.

Very few people wants to play a porn game from a female's point of view, unless they can turn her into a cumdump.
As for the so called "straight cis male", it's the biggest bulk of the community. It's only natural that games catters more to that chunk, since it'll be by default, with a higher chance of funding and so on.
These are porn games, most of us will use them to get a bit turned on/fired up. Being put into non exciting/interesting situations, is pretty much counter to what we're playing these games for (futa/trans, gay/lesbians, etc.) Of course, those games should exists, but if you do a mix & match of things, even making them optional will usually break the excitement of the player, unless they're part of the tiny minority looking for that kind of content.

When Glamour included a male protagonist, it's only normal that people expect it to be playable and going toward what they were looking for.

As it stands, with the female side being boring for most straight men, and the male content being so low, the game should either refocus on Kate alone and remove the male protag entirely, or start working on it, a lot. If the dev wants to cater to both side, then he should actually do so :)
 

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As it stands, with the female side being boring for most straight men, and the male content being so low, the game should either refocus on Kate alone and remove the male protag entirely, or start working on it, a lot. If the dev wants to cater to both side, then he should actually do so :)
I've known for some time that I'm not like "most straight men," so I guess I'll have to take your word on it.
 

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Yes, it sounds like you have specific interests and do not want to venture outside of that domain.
Yea, just try some games with female MC here on the site. Fashion Business, even having good renderings of the female MC, the game is a crap to play. Another One? JONH, the game has one of the best renderings of the female protagonist, but is the game fun? I mean, is it pleasurable? if the player prevents the character from being corrupted, he is wasting his time. Very well, that's why I think it's more interesting a female MC who can sort of prostitute herself or become a slut. Now, there are many people who already prefer some romance, a story to break the ice...

Some of your statements above sound like you consider the final arbiter of what does or does not constitute a good game for everyone. You mentioned you thought Being a DIK was overrated, but in other instances, you seem to be making absolute declarations.
In a moment you'll understand what I'm talking about, just dig a little deeper into the game to see that it's overrated. However, each has its own taste, of course.

You may consider it a bad game, but the number of people who do like it suggests that your opinion is in the minority.
Also, one usually sees the slower games more popular with the older players. The "teenagers" are usually seen as the ones complaining that things aren't moving fast enough.
Yes, everyone has their taste. But just play this game and you will find the feeling, if you like porn content you will think that game is shit, if you don't like porn content you will love it.

Exactly, and many people see that in The DeLuca Family.
:ROFLMAO: It is true.
 
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I predominately play FMC games but veer off as soon as they become "slut 'em ups" such as how Kate's angle in this seems to be going.
That having been said, I do also play some MMC titles like Single Again, MNF, The Game that Should not be Mentioned and Sweet Affection (started playing that when it was in it's previous incarnation).
If I'm given the choice (such as in Bad Memories), I'll usually pick the FMC.
However, if the choice is Magic Dick or Stupid Slut, I wouldn't play it.
Maybe DS can make something fun out of this yet.
 

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I now played through the Max story (0.38) for the first time and it took me more than 200 days. Except for Kate Massage he never left his home.

His story does not follow exactly the infos we get when playing Kate's story, so there are Kate-Max-encounters in Kate's story which differ from the Kate-Max-encounters in Max' story and vice versa. There is a nice long threesome with Kate, Alice and Max after midnight which is not part of the Kate-path. The info that Max is preparing for College and is tutored by Veronica and Karen seems to be future plans. My Max character not even had skills for the college classes in his character sheet, so he could not even use online training. I doubt that Max joining Kate's College would make much sense since there are way more male and female characters compared to Max' small world.

It is strange for a dev to start a project like Glamour with plans for a big world with many characters and locations and then add content like Max' story which only uses the Villa and a small set of characters but seizes 50% of development resources.
 
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Looking at the time line of the polls for last releases (on patreon) :

12. Apr. 2021 : Glamour 0.36
13. Apr. 2021 : 0.37 poll
18. Apr. 2021 : 0.37 poll result
07. Mai 2021 : 0.38 content poll
14. Mai 2021 : 0.38 poll results
20. Mai 2021 : Glamour 0.37
09. Juni 2021 : Poll Favorite protagonist
14. Juni 2021 : 0.39 poll
16. Juni 2021 : Glamour 0.38
21. Juni 2021 : 0.39 poll results

The poll for next month' release is around the release time of current month' release. Since release time usually means a lot of stress, this leaves the devs only about 1 month to implement and test the new content. I don't know how much of the creative work, thinking through and writing of the new content is done before the poll since they would have to cover all the possible poll results which is a lot of work. So if their schedule is tight it is likely that they just have 1 month for creativity, think through, write, render, implement and test the new content. This is best done with very simple content, e.g. simple sex scenes to please fans.

For Max' path (simple world without story) this may work, but Kate's path actually was supposed to have a more complex story in a bigger world with lots of interesting characters, different options/paths to solve problems, etc. where a short sighted development on a monthly base may hurt the game in the long run. The monthly switch between Kate and Max focus besides all the release stress may have additionally negative impact on creativity for the Kate story.

The short time frame of 1 month might explain why the last Kate content (Nicolas/Karen) felt so rushed and not well thought through.

In the patreon comments for Glamour 0.36 DS answered to "... Just too easy to unlock everything, ..." :
DS : " Complexity is a complex question, unfortunately. This time we really ran out of time already even to start thinking about it "
 
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I m a Kate Hater !
But for me, it's bad for Kate supporters when the Kate update is in the Villa, i m sad for you guys :(
But, that's probably means there is more BB patrons than Kate.
 
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Hello Gamers & Devs, I'm a newbie here coz i started playing just this new year.:p This is regarding save transferring on ANDROID. I've read and tried all of the steps given in the FAQ's section and even in some threads here and there.:geek: But, I'm not able to find the files & folders that are needed to be modified. I'd completed this game till 0.36 on Kate's side and just got started to make inroads on Max's side.:cool: But, I'm not able to go back and continue either Kate's side or Max's side because both the limited Save slots got exhausted and the latest ones are not available in both the Automatic save slots too. So, please help me with this issue if there's any way possible.o_O Thanks!
 
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