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Well dont expect MC to fuck Haley again at next 2-3 at least updates...
I would be strongly surprised if that was the case. MC didn't fuck Haley in a moment of weakness, they are in a sexual relationship and they are both starving for each other. I expect them to fuck whenever they have the chance and even create chances to fuck when none are given. Haley drawing him to the bathroom for a quicky or fucking him in the back of a car or in a secluded place etc.
 

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I would be strongly surprised if that was the case. MC didn't fuck Haley in a moment of weakness, they are in a sexual relationship and they are both starving for each other. I expect them to fuck whenever they have the chance and even create chances to fuck when none are given. Haley drawing him to the bathroom for a quicky or fucking him in the back of a car or in a secluded place etc.
While I definitely see it as a possibility, I wouldn't write any lack of sex off as unlikely, just based solely on their relationship's advancement. After the bombshell that was dropped at the end, I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least an option to bypass any potential scenes, as it would make just as much sense for the MC to not want to do it again for a while (whether out of anger for what happened with Klaus, or any potential regret/guilt), as it does for him to immediately want to jump back in bed with her.
 

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I would be strongly surprised if that was the case. MC didn't fuck Haley in a moment of weakness, they are in a sexual relationship and they are both starving for each other. I expect them to fuck whenever they have the chance and even create chances to fuck when none are given. Haley drawing him to the bathroom for a quicky or fucking him in the back of a car or in a secluded place etc.
I dont know Mate.
I think you should better hold your horses.

Last update raised too many cliffhangers in the story.

Haley's teacher relationship, how MC and haley will deal with it, and what will be the cosequences.

Haley's character. Was the newly introduced haley, that with zero concerns about how her actions or sayings can affect her brother just an only once thing? That just occured out of dev sloppiness in Last update?
I mean if every time MC Fucks her He has too deal with the same aftersex haley, dev better provide us a Gagball, or implement a panic button in the interface so we can skip fast to desktop before she opens her mouth.

Relationship vs parents. Already introduced in Last update a possibility for their relationship to be exposed. How the couple will deal with it?

Mcs - Haley relationship. How they gonna proceed. I mean if you have sex with a girl for the first time and she gets back at you right after about how "she Fucks" a lot" and "how see was fucking her 48 years old teacher when 15, Daddy" thats not the best way to start a relationship.

I just can see a logical way while all this issues pending, and the couple has to deal with them, to continue their relationship As nothing happening or happened.
While the shit has Already hit the Fan, while the possibility of getting worse Is high, they just continue As a regular behaving couple.

Already mentioned. When you twist a story in the most forcefull way As Last update, characters and behaviors are also twisted.

Sandra wasnt affected in Last update. While all relationships and characters were questioned with her wasnt the same case.

Still remains a Major character in gamestory with a consistent character (with all her flaws)

So maybe her or a New character, during a cool down or break period between MC and haley.

I dont think dev will leave fanbase fapless. Just not with haley for a certain period until all the issues pending in story are solved.
 

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I don't see Klaus as interesting or important. OK, Haley seduced an older man that damn hell should know better than fuck a 15-16 years old student of his because she made eyes at him or something.
Beat the shit out of him, call the police or ignore him if the MC sees an old dude with destroyed life. Not good enough an excuse for falling for the tricks of a 15 years old but perhaps it's enough for the MC.

Frankly, I wouldn't even remember his name if it wasn't for your quote.

The panties thing is what was interesting to me. OK, it was a close call the first time and perhaps nothing would come out of it but it should warn the horndogs that perhaps they should wait a freaking day before fucking their brains out next to their parents.

Mcs - Haley relationship. How they gonna proceed. I mean if you have sex with a girl for the first time and she gets back at you right after about how "she Fucks" a lot"
She said she fucks a lot? I don't remember that. What I do remember is that she had in total 3 lovers, not that she fucks a lot. I.e. that she doesn't fuck a lot... but fucked her teacher. Of course that made me go "Huh?!? What a perv! Her and him" so perhaps I forgot about mention of lots of random fucking.
I.e. in total I think Haley had:
- The 3-times-older teacher
- The 3.5 inch dragon - which truth be told seemed to be perpetually stoned
- Her brother

That's not a lot of fucking. But it's a lot of "she needs her meds" fucking.

Was the newly introduced haley, that with zero concerns about how her actions or sayings can affect her brother just an only once thing?
To be fair, since I played the game for the first time so I went from start to this update... Haley seemed to me exactly like that from the prologue.
We're talking about a woman that after introducing her brother to his future girlfriend starts acting jealous out of the blue, while he is still trying to figure his relationship with the various non-relative girls in his life and his job shows up in his bed "because she has nightmares" etc etc.
For the past few episodes the MC was boiling and even other characters (like his boss) acknowledge it.
 
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I don't see Klaus as interesting or important. OK, Haley seduced an older man that damn hell should know better than fuck a 15-16 years old student of his because she made eyes at him or something.
Beat the shit out of him, call the police or ignore him if the MC sees an old dude with destroyed life. Not good enough an excuse for falling for the tricks of a 15 years old but perhaps it's enough for the MC.

Frankly, I wouldn't even remember his name if it wasn't for your quote.

The panties thing is what was interesting to me. OK, it was a close call the first time and perhaps nothing would come out of it but it should warn the horndogs that perhaps they should wait a freaking day before fucking their brains out next to their parents.


She said she fucks a lot? I don't remember that. What I do remember is that she had in total 3 lovers, not that she fucks a lot. I.e. that she doesn't fuck a lot... but fucked her teacher. Of course that made me go "Huh?!? What a perv! Her and him" so perhaps I forgot about mention of lots of random fucking.
I.e. in total I think Haley had:
- The 3-times-older teacher
- The 3.5 inch dragon - which truth be told seemed to be perpetually stoned
- Her brother

That's not a lot of fucking. But it's a lot of "she needs her meds" fucking.
She said she did a lot of fucking, but only with a limited amount of partners, the ex and the teacher.
 

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She said she did a lot of fucking, but only with a limited amount of partners, the ex and the teacher.
Well, she's probably lying trying to pretend she's experienced ... or she is simply wrong and the MC will have to teach her that "once per week and perhaps twice during a good week" is not a lot of fucking.

I can't believe she had lots of sex with granpa-Klaus while he was dealing with his divorce and trying to keep a secret of fucking a student etc.
And I can't believe she had lots of sex with the 3.5 inch dragon since she actively avoided him for 2 months+ and wasn't impressed with his sexual prowess.
 

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Well, she's probably lying trying to pretend she's experienced ... or she is simply wrong and the MC will have to teach her that "once per week and perhaps twice during a good week" is not a lot of fucking.

I can't believe she had lots of sex with granpa-Klaus while he was dealing with his divorce and trying to keep a secret of fucking a student etc.
And I can't believe she had lots of sex with the 3.5 inch dragon since she actively avoided him for 2 months+ and wasn't impressed with his sexual prowess.
we have to take her word for it as much as we dont like it that she did a lot of fucking with grandpa cause otherwise she must lie about other things as well right? maybe she didnt fuck him at all or maybe she invented the mc's ex giving bj's in the school bathroom for cash just to hurt her brother cause she's a manipulative heartless bitch...right? until the next update we have to take her word for everything she says or not believe her at all,we cant just choose what we believe cause it makes us feel better,thats why this whole situation they are in sucks donkey balls until we find out more or hopefully find out that this was just a bad dream one of them had
 

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She likes to fuck and she fucked her teacher, there is no turning back from this. She told all this to the MC because she doesn't want lies between them, the timing was fucked up tho.
the timing,the way she said it (not considering that it will hurt her brother bad),the lack of response when mc asked about the daddy kink,the fact that she doesnt see nothing wrong with it or the fact that she was indeed raped and not least mc's total lack or reaction when he found out about this outrageous ''relationship'' his sister had with a 48 yo fart and that he raped his sister...
 

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the timing,the way she said it (not considering that it will hurt her brother bad),the lack of response when mc asked about the daddy kink,the fact that she doesnt see nothing wrong with it or the fact that she was indeed raped and not least mc's total lack or reaction when he found out about this outrageous ''relationship'' his sister had with a 48 yo fart and that he raped his sister...
She said it wasn't to upset him, so she knows he is really upset and that's probably why she didn't want to talk anymore about it. The MC wants to kill the dude or something, that's why he asked for him to his father the morning after.
 

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She said it wasn't to upset him, so she knows he is really upset and that's probably why she didn't want to talk anymore about it. The MC wants to kill the dude or something, that's why he asked for him to his father the morning after.
you cant possibly defend a woman who thinks that when she was 15 and and had a sexual relationship with her 48 yo teacher thinks thats ok,man i mean come on... if she knew that it will hurt her brother she would have said it with a lot more remorse and found a better timing.. she doesnt even know she was raped so she's either a moron with 2 brain cells left or she's a sadist who likes to see her brother suffering. and right now lets face it the mc is a pussy cause if he wasnt he would have told her all these things.what he will do to the pedo teacher should come second after talking things with his sister imho
 
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you cant possibly defend a woman who thinks that when she was 15 and and had a sexual relationship with her 48 yo teacher thinks thats ok,man i mean come on... if she knew that it will hurt her brother she would have said it with a lot more remorse and found a better timing.. she doesnt even know she was raped so she's either a moron with 2 brain cells left or she's a sadist who likes to see her brother suffering. and right now lets face it the mc is a pussy cause if he wasnt he would have told her all these things.what he will do to the pedo teacher should come second after talking things with his sister imho
You're looking at it from MC's point of view, but she said it was her idea in the first place. So yeah, she was raped and that's why the MC is mad, but for her it wasn't rape it was consensual sex.
You have to look at this from her point of view to understand her behaviour.
 

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You're looking at it from MC's point of view, but she said it was her idea in the first place. So yeah, she was raped and that's why the MC is mad, but for her it wasn't rape it was consensual sex.
You have to look at this from her point of view.
you're kidding right? if a mental person tells you he/she will jump off a building would that be ok cause its from his/hers point of view? no man no matter what you take in consideration what society and your common sense tells you..if she thinks that was ok that doesnt make it so. she needs professional help first of all. she was raped no matter what she thinks and mc should have told her that not pussy out of the conversation. plus this whole thing makes me to believe that she knows it but doesnt wanna admit it,the way she talks,the way she avoids answering questions and the smirk on her face tells me she has serious issues and it all started when she had that ''ok'' relationship with her teacher but who knows...
 
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you're kidding right? if a mental person tells you he/she will jump off a building would that be ok cause its from his/hers point of view? no man no matter what you take in consideration what society and your common sense tells you..i
I'm not defending that relationship, a teacher having sex with a high school student goes against the law in most countries, I'm just saying that for her it was a consensual thing not rape.
 
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I'm not defending that relationship, a teacher having sex with a hig school student goes against the law in most countries, I'm just saying that for her it was a consensual thing not rape.
dude it doesnt matter what a 15 yo girl thinks is okay when it comes to having sex with her 48 yo teacher. and the worst thing and what im trying to say here is that she not even at her current age thinks something was wrong with that,everyone knows a relationship of that matter is far from ok but her,thats why i said she needs professional help and the mc should have pointed that in their conversation
 
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we have to take her word for it as much as we dont like it that she did a lot of fucking with grandpa cause otherwise she must lie about other things as well right? maybe she didnt fuck him at all or maybe she invented the mc's ex giving bj's in the school bathroom for cash just to hurt her brother cause she's a manipulative heartless bitch...right? until the next update we have to take her word for everything she says or not believe her at all,we cant just choose what we believe cause it makes us feel better,thats why this whole situation they are in sucks donkey balls until we find out more or hopefully find out that this was just a bad dream one of them had
I don't mind at all that Haley had sexual experiences pre-MC. I wouldn't mind if she had 3-4 serious physical relationships starting 15 (with someone 15-17 or something, not a grandpa) to her current age plus 3-4 one night stands.
I do mind that she fucked her teacher and I adamantly believe that a 48-years old man should be able to resist the "temptation" a 15-years old girl poses. How seductive could an inexperienced Haley have been?

What I don't believe is that Haley had "lots of fucking" in the "Porn game sense". It is not that I mind if she was fucking the 3.5 inch dragon 5 times per day. It's that I don't believe she did.

I am not saying she's deliberately lying, I am saying she's simply... wrong in her assessment.

Is it clearer now what I think?
I.e. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 updates we have something like:
"you fucked me raw! I can't walk to work!"
"You said you did a lot of fucking!"
"I meant 1-2 times per week!" or something.


Haley needing professional help:
I agree. But she's all for inappropriate relationships. Her teacher and her brother are the memorable ones and she doesn't seem to find anything wrong with that. Or what the Romans did (some of them are assumed to have fucked their mothers. Nero comes to mind).

Still, I hope (that's not supported by anything other than hope) that she does understand why a 50 years old teacher should not have been even attracted to a 15 years old girl. Let alone allow himself to be seduced by her.
We're not talking about a sex fiend girl that had her first threesome at 14, we're talking about a virgin that probably haven't even kissed a boy at that age. How seductive could she had been?
The guy is a pedo similar to Macron's wife.
 

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dude it doesnt matter what a 15 yo girl thinks is okay when it comes to having sex with her 48 yo teacher. and the worst thing and what im trying to say here is that she not even at her current age thinks something was wrong with that,everyone knows a relationship of that matter is far from ok but her,thats why i said she needs professional help and the mc should have pointed that in their conversation
The norm in these cases, Is victims eventually grow feelings of regret or guilt.

In any case its not a issue to brag, about combined with the i fuck a lot line, and the good night daddy line (after MC showed his disaproval about the issue), right after first time having sex As a couple.

I have Already mentioned the latest trend, borderline ntr content. Checking all the boxes and leaving one unchecked deliberatelly (in this case incident happened in the past). Also mentioned you cant twist a story without twisting characters and behaviors.

So in this case of the after sex scene with the haley teacher relationship revelation being described in a ntrish way characters behave accordingly.

Note Mcs total Beta behaviour. Stays silent, asks about the daddy issue one time, doesnt get a responce, lays spooning with his Sister in the bed for an hour or 2 without saying anything, and when haley leaves Fucks him again with the good night daddy Line.

Haley act As any total idiot through out all scene.
 

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I don't mind at all that Haley had sexual experiences pre-MC. I wouldn't mind if she had 3-4 serious physical relationships starting 15 (with someone 15-17 or something, not a grandpa) to her current age plus 3-4 one night stands.
I do mind that she fucked her teacher and I adamantly believe that a 48-years old man should be able to resist the "temptation" a 15-years old girl poses. How seductive could an inexperienced Haley have been?

What I don't believe is that Haley had "lots of fucking" in the "Porn game sense". It is not that I mind if she was fucking the 3.5 inch dragon 5 times per day. It's that I don't believe she did.

I am not saying she's deliberately lying, I am saying she's simply... wrong in her assessment.

Is it clearer now what I think?
I.e. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 updates we have something like:
"you fucked me raw! I can't walk to work!"
"You said you did a lot of fucking!"
"I meant 1-2 times per week!" or something.


Haley needing professional help:
I agree. But she's all for inappropriate relationships. Her teacher and her brother are the memorable ones and she doesn't seem to find anything wrong with that. Or what the Romans did (some of them are assumed to have fucked their mothers. Nero comes to mind).

Still, I hope (that's not supported by anything other than hope) that she does understand why a 50 years old teacher should not have been even attracted to a 15 years old girl. Let alone allow himself to be seduced by her.
We're not talking about a sex fiend girl that had her first threesome at 14, we're talking about a virgin that probably haven't even kissed a boy at that age. How seductive could she had been?
The guy is a pedo similar to Macron's wife.
maybe her ex with a 3.5 inch dick had a lot of stamina and gave it to her 10 times a day,whats not believable about that,it happens and about the second thing lets be real who in their right mind thinks having sex 1-2 times a week is a lot of fucking like she bragged about? but then again she cant even comprehend at this age in her life that she was raped when she was a teen so yea anything is possible
 
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The norm in these cases, Is victims eventually grow feelings of regret or guilt.

In any case its not a issue to brag, about combined with the i fuck a lot line, and the good night daddy line (after MC showed his disaproval about the issue), right after first time having sex As a couple.

I have Already mentioned the latest trend, borderline ntr content. Checking all the boxes and leaving one unchecked deliberatelly (in this case incident happened in the past). Also mentioned you cant twist a story without twisting characters and behaviors.

So in this case of the after sex scene with the haley teacher relationship revelation being described in a ntrish way characters behave accordingly.

Note Mcs total Beta behaviour. Stays silent, asks about the daddy issue one time, doesnt get a responce, lays spooning with his Sister in the bed for an hour or 2 without saying anything, and when haley leaves Fucks him again with the good night daddy Line.

Haley act As any total idiot through out all scene.
she's either an idiot who doesnt realise what she's done,said and how she acted or worse she knows and likes to manipulate her brother on a next fucked up level and likes to see him suffer
 

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The story IS Haley was the victim of statutory rape. The next several (yes several) updates will be about her coming to terms with that fact. Hopefully it just happened once, but I don't know.

It seems to me that whenever a developer has a story that has a slow building relationship like this one, they don't know what to do next once the characters actually have sex. It's like, now what? Either the story turns into wake up and have sex, go somewhere and have sex, come home and have sex, repeat; or they introduce some drama which never seems to work. I can't say anything good about this update. I know that Ptolemy was on vacation when it came out. Perhaps it was just put together in a hurry to meet the self imposed deadline and did not get the kind of attention that the updates normally get. The quality is just not the same as other updates even if you take the Klaus confession out of it. Even from the beginning, Mom calls to make sure the kids are coming and as soon as the kids arrive, the parents leave to go out with friends (I just mention that one because I don't think anyone else has pointed that out yet.)

The Klaus confession was cheap theatrics. The developers knew that this would get people riled up. If they had wanted real drama that could have had Mom reveal that she had cancer, or Dad could have had a heart attack. It would have added drama that was more relatable to the audience. It would have also allowed for an examination of the family dynamics that helped to form Haley's feelings for her brother. They could not kill Haley, they could not have Haley break up with MC; it would have ended the story. So I guess it's a small blessing that they chose this rather than have Haley raped in present day. I understand developers wanting to stretch their creative muscles. Steven Speilberg made Schindler's List. He did not, however, midway through Raiders of the Lost Ark turn it into Schindler's List. If these developers wanted a drama, make a drama. I liked the story the way it was as a romantic comedy. I don't see how the developers keep up the charming banter between MC and Haley while this story line continues. This story always made my day a little better when the update came out. The last update was the first time a felt worse. I think that the next updates are going to be a lot of feeling worse.

I discontinued my support of this project. At first I thought I might have been hasty, but not now. It's odd to me that when you go to any developers Patreon page that all they get are positive comments. Even after this update I was the only one to make a negative comment. Viitgames told me that he does not read the posts here. Perhaps that is why developers screw up their own stories. They just get constant positive comments on their Patreon pages. I wonder if some developer could make a good living by just modifying stories that have been ruined by the original creator. My emotions vary on Haley's Story. Sometimes I'm still a little angry and a little saddened that this story that I really did enjoy will never be the same. Sometimes I think it is unfair to expect so much from the two developers who seem to be just two ordinary guys with outside jobs and do this part time, they are after all not Steven Speilberg (and even Speilberg had quite a few clunkers.) Sometimes I just don't care. I guess what bothers me the most is when I come back to this discussion page and I read how this update has affected their fans.
 
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