'It really boils down to one simple thing. "Incest" is in the tags. We know to expect that. "Rape" is not.' implies that YOU (you said "we") don't expect rape because rape isn't in the tags. Your tone indicates (to me) that you don't like that.
I didn't ask for your help. I didn't say it needed fixing, either. I'm not unhappy about the fact that it's not listed in the tags. If you read carefully, you would see that I never said I was unhappy about it. All I said was that because it wasn't, it came from out of nowhere, and that's where a lot of people were upset.
Please accept my sincere apologies for completely misinterpreting your post. Well said.
No worries. I know a lot of what I've said lately on here has seemed like I'm being overly critical of the game, and especially the recent update, and I don't want to seem like I'm just here to trash talk the game. I'm sure that didn't help when it came to this issue. This is honestly one of my favorite games on the site, and to its credit, probably the one I get most immersed in, because the writing has been so damn good, but that also leads to me being very passionate when it comes to discussion. And that's part of why I got a bit defensive in trying to answer the question, and I'm sure that didn't come off as well or as clearly as I'd intended. I'll shoulder the blame for that.
It was not at all consensual, she was exploited and manipulated into sex with a teacher in his 40's while she was just 15. That be statutory rape.
I believe that by "consensual" people mean she was seduced, not coerced.
Again, that's what I thought.
I'm just afraid of how this is going to go. What if it turns out that it was not a one time event? What if Haley was abused for years? Haley coming to terms with what happened is supposed to take four or five updates. Does anyone really want four or five months of dealing with her abuse? Will Klaus be a reoccurring character during this time period? I played as faithful to Haley as I could, but others did not. MC will really be a prick if he is sleeping around while Haley's dealing with her rape. Are we really going to mired in the misery of statutory rape for four or five months? I just don't know if I am up to it.Again, that's what I thought.
But it never happend to you, that something bad has happend to your partner in the past, which made him/here traumatized (Because I never met a girl who likes calling me daddy, loves spanking and so on, without being traumatized) ?
Death of a loved one, parents to strict, things they have done unwillingly (Pretty Woman, at it's time called the most romantic movie), rape?
What can be more romantic to help here come over it?
I don't care, if Haley is a character or some projection of a real person.
In real life and in an VN, I will do everything everything to help her, if I would be the MC.
So for me, that's quite romantic, it's the definition of romance and true partnership.
Haley and the MC are quite protective for each other. Haley in here teasing and sarcastic way, the MC doing by the way the does.
Can't be bad if he grows some balls, even it's because of what has happend (because that's what I'm missing with him).
I see, that many people don't like the way it's going.
But it's the developers choice.
Maybe they could have choosen a better mid game tragedy, but they decided to go this way.
As I said: OK for me, I love this VN.
BTW: Thank you all for the kind welcome, even if I dont share the same view with some of you
Those dudes...
I don't really agree. Whether or not Klaus groomed and initiated is knowable, even though we're not going to see it because there's no way they can possibly "show" it (thankfully). That's not really my point, though. I would prefer the narrative not be driven by Klaus. I would prefer "but I initiated it"/"fine, but you understand that he still raped you, right?" to be the driving narrative going forward, because it retains Haley's agency while making future developments about examining her mindset and reshaping her thinking rather than Klaus' predation.
Which is the attitude that needs to be changed over future releases.
Yeah, there will be tears for sure, this can stop MC-Haley sex interactions for some updates too.
can you imagine 4-5 updates where the mc tries to convince Haley that she was indeed raped and that relationship she had with the pedo teacher was a horrible thing that happened and its killing him inside while she is all like : nahh you have nothing to worry about it was a perfectly normal relationship,he was just the first man to fuck me and stop asking about the daddy kink thats not where i got it from even tho he was the only old guy i had sex with (lets hope)..quit being such a pussy and get over it,nothing bad happened
Yes, that is exactly where I think this game is headed. Hopefully not for that many updates. I can see 2 or 3, though. After that, even I might get worn down by the drama.
if they go down that path i'll tell you right now first update is gonna be mc trying to confront the pedo teacher,Haley finds out and she's like : stop that,dont do anything you'll regret,its all in the past let it go,second and third will be about serious talks between the twins about Haley's past and how she needs to accept that what happened to her was that she was raped,after that she goes to therapy for 1-2 updates and maybe then the game will be back on track but by them its gonna be nothing like it was when the game started. they 180 the game on a dark path with cheap drama cause lets face it the devs are out of ideas on what to do next no matter what they say that all of this was scheduled in advance,thats the biggest lie they could tell their fanbase
Already said that haley Is used to be treared like a Pet. Either through her childhood seeking her brothers protection or approval, or at her relationship with her teacher on a different level.
i have to agree with you,mc trying to ''fix'' her might cause more harm then good and at this point in the game i dont know if its worth it anymore,i mean thats the big problem when you introduce so much drama for the sake of drama and make the main heroine so unlikable that at some point you just say ''fuck this shit,i'm out''. if she's smart enough to understand the situation both of them are in and figures out that she needs to make things right then okay if not fuck. i wanna go as far as comparing this cheap drama with the DFD game where the devs did the exact same thing,they wanted to introduce some cheap drama into the game but ended up making the main heroine into such an unlikable character that eventually players chose to end up with other girls at the end of the game,if there will be a possibility here i think a lot of players will do the same if the devs continue on this dark path
