- Dec 27, 2017
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Please accept my sincere apologies for completely misinterpreting your post. Well said.
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No worries. I know a lot of what I've said lately on here has seemed like I'm being overly critical of the game, and especially the recent update, and I don't want to seem like I'm just here to trash talk the game. I'm sure that didn't help when it came to this issue. This is honestly one of my favorite games on the site, and to its credit, probably the one I get most immersed in, because the writing has been so damn good, but that also leads to me being very passionate when it comes to discussion. And that's part of why I got a bit defensive in trying to answer the question, and I'm sure that didn't come off as well or as clearly as I'd intended. I'll shoulder the blame for that.
- Apr 19, 2019
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It was not at all consensual, she was exploited and manipulated into sex with a teacher in his 40's while she was just 15. That be statutory rape.
I believe that by "consensual" people mean she was seduced, not coerced.
Again, that's what I thought.
But it never happend to you, that something bad has happend to your partner in the past, which made him/here traumatized (Because I never met a girl who likes calling me daddy, loves spanking and so on, without being traumatized) ?
Death of a loved one, parents to strict, things they have done unwillingly (Pretty Woman, at it's time called the most romantic movie), rape?
What can be more romantic to help here come over it?
I don't care, if Haley is a character or some projection of a real person.
In real life and in an VN, I will do everything everything to help her, if I would be the MC.
So for me, that's quite romantic, it's the definition of romance and true partnership.
Haley and the MC are quite protective for each other. Haley in here teasing and sarcastic way, the MC doing by the way the does.
Can't be bad if he grows some balls, even it's because of what has happend (because that's what I'm missing with him).
I see, that many people don't like the way it's going.
But it's the developers choice.
Maybe they could have choosen a better mid game tragedy, but they decided to go this way.
As I said: OK for me, I love this VN.
BTW: Thank you all for the kind welcome, even if I dont share the same view with some of you
The case Is indeed a statutory rape one.
But its not prasented that way through characters point of view in the story Yet.
When we get there we will have moved from borderline ntr content to borderline rape content.(since it happened in past, probably want be displayed in renders, and will always be a dude that from personal experience will insist 15 years old girls can seduce you, so happy days if someone Is to blame Is the minor)
Already said i had no problem with the twist but mainly in the way it was brought Into story.
For sure haley has to realise the true nature of her relationship with the teacher. It would be better i she had Already done that on her own.
Some Members point atF in an emphatic way "ITS HALLEY STORY".
Yes it Is, but the way Last update has twisted the story, and the way dev plan to solve this isnt she clearly objectified?
From a teacher's fucktoy in Last update to haley needs to be fixed in coming ones isnt that too of a misogynistic approach for a "HALEYS STORY"?
From the need of her brother to Pet her during chilhood, to teacher's sex Pet at her 15s, now to petting her again so she can get fixed?
So please give us a break and dont play the empathy and concern card regarding Haley cause dev decided to borderline rape her midstory
But its not prasented that way through characters point of view in the story Yet.
When we get there we will have moved from borderline ntr content to borderline rape content.(since it happened in past, probably want be displayed in renders, and will always be a dude that from personal experience will insist 15 years old girls can seduce you, so happy days if someone Is to blame Is the minor)
Already said i had no problem with the twist but mainly in the way it was brought Into story.
For sure haley has to realise the true nature of her relationship with the teacher. It would be better i she had Already done that on her own.
Some Members point atF in an emphatic way "ITS HALLEY STORY".
Yes it Is, but the way Last update has twisted the story, and the way dev plan to solve this isnt she clearly objectified?
From a teacher's fucktoy in Last update to haley needs to be fixed in coming ones isnt that too of a misogynistic approach for a "HALEYS STORY"?
From the need of her brother to Pet her during chilhood, to teacher's sex Pet at her 15s, now to petting her again so she can get fixed?
So please give us a break and dont play the empathy and concern card regarding Haley cause dev decided to borderline rape her midstory
- Jun 23, 2018
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I'm just afraid of how this is going to go. What if it turns out that it was not a one time event? What if Haley was abused for years? Haley coming to terms with what happened is supposed to take four or five updates. Does anyone really want four or five months of dealing with her abuse? Will Klaus be a reoccurring character during this time period? I played as faithful to Haley as I could, but others did not. MC will really be a prick if he is sleeping around while Haley's dealing with her rape. Are we really going to mired in the misery of statutory rape for four or five months? I just don't know if I am up to it.Again, that's what I thought.
But it never happend to you, that something bad has happend to your partner in the past, which made him/here traumatized (Because I never met a girl who likes calling me daddy, loves spanking and so on, without being traumatized) ?
Death of a loved one, parents to strict, things they have done unwillingly (Pretty Woman, at it's time called the most romantic movie), rape?
What can be more romantic to help here come over it?
I don't care, if Haley is a character or some projection of a real person.
In real life and in an VN, I will do everything everything to help her, if I would be the MC.
So for me, that's quite romantic, it's the definition of romance and true partnership.
Haley and the MC are quite protective for each other. Haley in here teasing and sarcastic way, the MC doing by the way the does.
Can't be bad if he grows some balls, even it's because of what has happend (because that's what I'm missing with him).
I see, that many people don't like the way it's going.
But it's the developers choice.
Maybe they could have choosen a better mid game tragedy, but they decided to go this way.
As I said: OK for me, I love this VN.
BTW: Thank you all for the kind welcome, even if I dont share the same view with some of you
Those dudes...
Haley was treated like a Pet through their chilhood, teacher treated her like a fuck Pet at her 15s and now they want to Pet her again!!!
Fix her fast while having sex with her during that time and then maybe gangbang her!!!
Same dudes that argued this Is not a statutory rape case, that it was concentual, that 15 old girls can seduce 48 years old pricks without seeing the problem, now they want to Pet the rape victim!!!
You just cant make that shit...
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I don't really agree. Whether or not Klaus groomed and initiated is knowable, even though we're not going to see it because there's no way they can possibly "show" it (thankfully). That's not really my point, though. I would prefer the narrative not be driven by Klaus. I would prefer "but I initiated it"/"fine, but you understand that he still raped you, right?" to be the driving narrative going forward, because it retains Haley's agency while making future developments about examining her mindset and reshaping her thinking rather than Klaus' predation.
I continue to take the "fuck a lot" assertion with a grain of salt. Is there any indication at all that she and Jack fucked a lot? The game rather pointedly suggests otherwise and gives us a reason. I think we're going to find that Haley's embellishing her story. But even if we're not, it doesn't really change the mindset of Haley's sexual relationship with Klaus. He's not less or more at fault for the initiation because it happened more than once; it's rape either way, whether it happened once or ten times. In a Haley-centered narrative, the important thing absolutely isn't Klaus' criminal acquiescence. As a clue: in this game, the MC has had somewhere between some and a lot of sex. Haley's had none, despite having a boyfriend for a chunk of the game. There's an in-game reason why that's so, but I think it's likely representative.
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Which is the attitude that needs to be changed over future releases.
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Yeah, there will be tears for sure, this can stop MC-Haley sex interactions for some updates too.
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can you imagine 4-5 updates where the mc tries to convince Haley that she was indeed raped and that relationship she had with the pedo teacher was a horrible thing that happened and its killing him inside while she is all like : nahh you have nothing to worry about it was a perfectly normal relationship,he was just the first man to fuck me and stop asking about the daddy kink thats not where i got it from even tho he was the only old guy i had sex with (lets hope)..quit being such a pussy and get over it,nothing bad happened
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Yes, that is exactly where I think this game is headed. Hopefully not for that many updates. I can see 2 or 3, though. After that, even I might get worn down by the drama.
- Mar 10, 2019
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if they go down that path i'll tell you right now first update is gonna be mc trying to confront the pedo teacher,Haley finds out and she's like : stop that,dont do anything you'll regret,its all in the past let it go,second and third will be about serious talks between the twins about Haley's past and how she needs to accept that what happened to her was that she was raped,after that she goes to therapy for 1-2 updates and maybe then the game will be back on track but by them its gonna be nothing like it was when the game started. they 180 the game on a dark path with cheap drama cause lets face it the devs are out of ideas on what to do next no matter what they say that all of this was scheduled in advance,thats the biggest lie they could tell their fanbase
Already said that haley Is used to be treared like a Pet. Either through her childhood seeking her brothers protection or approval, or at her relationship with her teacher on a different level.
The source of the problematic asspects of her character Is exactly that. Her need to be treated that way.
Her character Is displayed problematic prior to the statutory rape insintent. Probably the insintent was caused but that side of her character and not the opposite.
So hell no her brother mustnt Pet her or "fix" her.
No meaning in realising the True nature of the teacher insident, unless she comes to that point by herself.
Not by peting, arguing or having her brother planting that idea Into her head or guiding her.
So if the info that haley will enentually Come Into that realization Is correct, how i see the story progressing.
No peting and possibly no romantic relationship for a while. She doesnt need a Master or a daddy in this phase.
I see the MC getting out of the relationship one way or another until she figures out on her own her issues.
It was clearly hinted in previous updates by mcs boss "I love him. But i dont like him. Has this ever happened to you?"
Haley displayed a less likeable or unlikeable character in last update. Probably it will get worst in next updates.
But if their relationship is ever going to work she must get to be both lovable and likeable at some point
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i have to agree with you,mc trying to ''fix'' her might cause more harm then good and at this point in the game i dont know if its worth it anymore,i mean thats the big problem when you introduce so much drama for the sake of drama and make the main heroine so unlikable that at some point you just say ''fuck this shit,i'm out''. if she's smart enough to understand the situation both of them are in and figures out that she needs to make things right then okay if not fuck. i wanna go as far as comparing this cheap drama with the DFD game where the devs did the exact same thing,they wanted to introduce some cheap drama into the game but ended up making the main heroine into such an unlikable character that eventually players chose to end up with other girls at the end of the game,if there will be a possibility here i think a lot of players will do the same if the devs continue on this dark path
There Is a patern in almost all ptolemy Games or Games He Is involved.
First sex scene between protagonists are always problematic.
I couldnt figure out in this game ptolemys involvement until Last update, which was 100% ptolemys style.
Already told that Last update seemed like a preemptive strike against possible midstory fatique, when most Games loose their dynamic.
Also another patern in ptolemys Games. All of them declined or lost their dynamic at the second half of them.
So i believe it was that concern that dectated that 180 turn in game story at Last update.
But i cant see how introducing borderline ntr content possibly evolving Into borderline rape content, and pausible pausing the couple relationship midstory Is and will be a recipe for success.
First sex scene between protagonists are always problematic.
I couldnt figure out in this game ptolemys involvement until Last update, which was 100% ptolemys style.
Already told that Last update seemed like a preemptive strike against possible midstory fatique, when most Games loose their dynamic.
Also another patern in ptolemys Games. All of them declined or lost their dynamic at the second half of them.
So i believe it was that concern that dectated that 180 turn in game story at Last update.
But i cant see how introducing borderline ntr content possibly evolving Into borderline rape content, and pausible pausing the couple relationship midstory Is and will be a recipe for success.
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That's something else entirely. She's 15, she legally has no agency. Whether or not Haley's the same sexual butterfly at 15 as she is now becomes the question. MC knew her at 15, but the players don't. She could have been a meek little angel with Mommy issues that Klaus took advantage of and turned her into who she is today. I HOPE that's not true because I would peace out but it's possible, and a scary prospect.
I remember you saying that, but I also find it strange you're taking what she said about initiating it as gospel and think she's lying about this. Not saying you're wrong, but still, what an odd thing to lie about, especially when she's not trying to anger MC.