VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Vrijgeest]

makes the update seem shitty

How come? The whole story is based on the incense relationship. This update has only intensified it.

 

[botc76]

The age thing with the teacher is something special. The age of consent in Germany is actually 14, so even relationships between relatively young teenagers and adults do not necessarily break the law, though there are factors which change that, if there's some sort of authority or dependency involved fe.

So normally we don't quite have the same qualms most people in the US seem to have in regards to under age sex. At least no 19 year old gets thrown in jail because he has sex with a 17 year old.
OTOH, personally for me a teacher is always problematic, because there definitely is a position of authority, even a relatively strong dependence if the teacher is the one mainly responsible for the student's grade/class.

And 15 is rather young, if Haley had been 16 or 17, I would probably not have thought it's anything traumatic that she had sex with a teacher. Wouldn't think it's something that should happen in RL, but also not something that automatically means the younger partner was actually sexually abused.
I mean, let's be honest here, who of us didn't have a sexually attractive teacher when we were horny teenagers that we would have loved to bang? And I really don't think an experience like that would have traumatized me.


Yet, like I wrote in the previous post, this isn't the story that is being told here. There's definitely something fishy going on in regards to whom Haley had sex with when she was 15 and what actually happened to her.

 

[Irgendwie Irgendwo]

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Yeah, and the first victim was the language.

 

[Lorric17]

is it me or was this update for (Haley) path really short it ended for with me MC drunk and passed out at the bar for a over 2GB update these updates are getting smaller and smaller

I sat there thinking that perhaps the devs wanted the update out so that people could move past the "welcome to rapeville" comments. Didn't seem to help, sadly. Did this update arrive early or on normal schedule?

To add, Haley just felt like a completely different character from the one that we were courting through the game, up til she decided to have sex and started going full kink and dismissive. Sandra at no point felt like she was hiding her abusive past, nor was there any hint of it.

I think you mean submissive, not dismissive
The comments about Sandra confused me, until I played the bit where MC goes drinking with Victor. That only happens if you didn't go with Adriana (and I did).

This problem is not just in Haleys story but is a consistent problem in all of Ptolemy's games, all his MCs have the exact same dour/humorless personalities. You get the constant feel they are brooding all the time.

I see what you mean, no worries. Doesn't bother me much, unlike in PhillyGames' games (Depraved Awakening and City of Broken Dreamers). Can't get into the MC at all in those games for some reason.

 

[alpharenji]

It's not. The vanilla romance has become a bit tainted in drama, which isn't a bad thing. It's just that the addition of the drama was poorly handled. Most of the outrage is due to Haley fans having an existential crisis over what was revealed in 0.55. I would still recommend playing it. It's not a deal-breaker of an update. Not yet at least.

Doesnt seem bad then...but i know so far i want to do something bad to the old fart teacher

 

[jamdan]

This game has always had drama/conflict, it was with Haley and her feelings towards MC. Now that that was been resolved, the new conflict is Haleys potentially abusive past and how MC/Haley deal with it. To put it another way, the previous conflict was from Haleys POV mostly. This new conflict is now mostly from MC's POV, he wants to find Klaus and get to the bottom of whatever happened. Thats why the players feel different about it IMO, its perspective.

The game buildup before the last update was Haley/MC having sex and building their relationship up to that point. Now we are past that point and this new conflict is testing how strong their relationship is, how they will grow together etc.

 

[xrayman2k4]

I'm no snowflake, but while you all are arguing about the dev going to a dark place, can I point out that if you take a step back and look at the content from an outsider's eyes incest alone, consensual or not, is pretty fucking dark. And isn't the genre of this VN, an incestuous love story? We knew that from day one.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Looks like the new direction (that wasn't hinted at all for like a year into the game) does it for you. And that's fine, and good for you. Personally, i think there are better ways to add depth to a character, without adding cheap and out of nowhere drama. I never said i expected it to be simple, i don't even want it to be simple, but i am not the only one thinking it was added just for the sake of shaking things up, and it wasn't earned at all. Why haven't they started with this as the background of the story? Why wait for a year for it? Why make this the focus of the story after establishing a different set of expectations from it?

I haven't dismissed it on grounds of 'beta cuck', i feel like you are conflating my comment with others. Although, i do feel like the MC is really passive to the whole thing, and the whole clenching thing has become frustrating.

My main issue with the whole thing is that it feels unearned and out of nowhere, and the execution is just piss poor. In principle, the reveal doesn't make the story less appealing, but the way it's handled and dragging it out for multiple updates, that's what makes it unappealing to me.

'Perhaps what happened back then explains why Haley is so attracted to her brother, why she wants to be with him, and that's what the dev is doing here' - If that turns out to be true, then i will nope the hell out of this story, I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of a MC who is loved by someone because they were raped as a kid by their teacher.

Again, it seems like a lot of people like the new direction, and i am glad for this game's sake, because i wouldn't want a game to fail just because i don't like its direction, and i am hopeful it will be finished. But that doesn't stop me from being to disappointed regarding how it has turned out.

Rape and traumatic experiences don't "do it for me", but knowing a character's history and life experiences in order to understand their motivations is what "does it for me" because I hate all these one-dimensional characters in adult games and VNs who just start fucking each other after years of knowing each other and we never find out what drives them other than lust brought about by simple flirting or BS manipulation. Knowing why a character is how they are, why they think the way they do, and why they feel they the way they feel is far more satisfying for me than some brainless, macho "alpha" that starts fucking every woman he meets with barely any effort.

I agree that the execution of the reveal comes out of nowhere and could have been handled better, but I don't agree that finding out Haley was (potentially) raped and/or groomed by her teacher makes her any less attractive. It's quite clear that the MC loves her for her, so if he were to find out that, say, Haley is so attached to him because her trauma from back then makes him the only man she can truly trust and this developed into feelings of love, that's not a problem because, as I said, he already loves her for who she is and I can't see how a reveal like this (which I am speculating about, remember) would change his feelings.

This new direction is interesting for me because up until now I've always felt like Haley was quite one-dimensional and I want to know more about her and why she became so attracted to her brother, so that's why I'm going to stick this out until the end and trust that Viitgames will give us a satisfying conclusion.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

It is called Haley's story for a reason. Going all the way with her brother is an emotional upheaval that is opening up a lot of repressed memories. Her need to be honest with him is a sign of her sincerity. Her sexual wiring is crossed and shorting a bit. She trusts her brother. I really don't see what all the fuss is. This is a well written story and I am in it for the long haul. I am getting the feeling it is going to be a bit of a bumpy ride.

Louder for the haters in the back, please.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

This porn game needs less drama and more porn.

It's an adult game dealing with adult themes. Sex is part of that, but so are other things that are harsh realities of life. If that's not your thing, then there's plenty of mindless fuck-em games out there for you.

 

[Deleted member 444674]

Rape and traumatic experiences don't "do it for me", but knowing a character's history and life experiences in order to understand their motivations is what "does it for me" because I hate all these one-dimensional characters in adult games and VNs who just start fucking each other after years of knowing each other and we never find out what drives them other than lust brought about by simple flirting or BS manipulation. Knowing why a character is how they are, why they think the way they do, and why they feel they the way they feel is far more satisfying for me than some brainless, macho "alpha" that starts fucking every woman he meets with barely any effort.

I agree that the execution of the reveal comes out of nowhere and could have been handled better, but I don't agree that finding out Haley was (potentially) raped and/or groomed by her teacher makes her any less attractive. It's quite clear that the MC loves her for her, so if he were to find out that, say, Haley is so attached to him because her trauma from back then makes him the only man she can truly trust and this developed into feelings of love, that's not a problem because, as I said, he already loves her for who she is and I can't see how a reveal like this (which I am speculating about, remember) would change his feelings.

This new direction is interesting for me because up until now I've always felt like Haley was quite one-dimensional and I want to know more about her and why she became so attracted to her brother, so that's why I'm going to stick this out until the end and trust that Viitgames will give us a satisfying conclusion.

I agree for the most part. For me, I just find it hard to care for drama or controversial development that doesn’t feel like it’s earned its place. So even though Haley is getting much needed development, I find it hard to care since it just feels like viitgames needed a way to stir the pot here. Hopefully it works out, but right now, I’m just not feeling the start to this new arc as much as I would had it felt more organic.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Exactly. The execution could've been better. I'd have no issues if bits and pieces of this story arc were carefully placed throughout the other updates, but I don't recall ever seeing anything that might have represented a darker past before V0.55. Had this been handled better, they'd get no complaints from me. Hopefully, this rough start can turn into a great character arc that treats this topic with care.

For a lot of people, I don't think it would matter how this was handled, they just don't want to know anything about Haley's past because they don't care about story at all. They just want vanilla games with hot women who have no personalities and are just down to fuck the MC for reasons unknown.

These are the same people who comment on version 0.00001 games and say, "no sex, rubbish game". For them, "adult games" mean "porn" and "porn" means there should be loads of sex every update and absolutely zero character development. They also get disgusted when it's revealed that any girl the MC fucks has had sex before, which is utterly ridiculous and highlights a deep insecurity they must have about themselves.

 

[Jiren86]

Is there a path where the MC has sex with Adriana in the Hotel on the business trip (Latest Update) or is the no sex drama talk mandatory?.

Honestly I love Adriana best.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I agree for the most part. For me, I just find it hard to care for drama or controversial development that doesn’t feel like it’s earned its place. So even though Haley is getting much needed development, I find it hard to care since it just feels like viitgames needed a way to stir the pot here. Hopefully it works out, but right now, I’m just not feeling the start to this new arc as much as I would had it felt more organic.

I wholeheartedly agree that it could have been handled better, but it is what it is and I'm happy to see where it goes from here. Hopefully it will all end far better than it began and it will pay off.

 

[Vrijgeest]

I agree HB. Some have a problem with what an "adult game" means. Quite pathetic at times.

 

[Deleted member 21439]

Just wanted to say that the chemistry between the siblings is the best I have seen in this site.

 

[Vrijgeest]

Very intense.

 

[The Archduke]

I'd like for Haley to be more well jealous? It would feel weird to me, if she actually didn't care, if the MC slept around. I mean she is somewhat badmouthing Sandra, if you're on the Haley only path, but that's it.

 

[bluehound36]

There are plenty of "games" that will satisfy your "basic" needs. It is not a porn game but there you go.

Really? Ok, lets begin with what others have already been pointing out.

Haley's Story - The Therapist Chronicles.

The dev really should be considering switching the name to this. It fits bit better considering what they're doing to the story.

It's one thing to have a bit of drama but this went from a a nice romantic tale to rapesville central in 2 updates.

Depression, statutory rape and abuse isn't quite what I have in mind when I sit down for a bit of love.

It isn't exactly a good plot device for what IS a porn game. Some drama is good but the moment that drama is overdone and not well? It becomes a shit show that not all are going to like that may have actually liked it before the last couple updates made it go into a nose dive.

Secondly, great. You like it. That's nice for you. But just because you like it, it doesn't mean that the opinions of those who don't are not valid, justified or welcome.

Their opinions are just are valid as yours.

If this were NOT a porn game, some people here wouldn't even give a crap about it (numerous people thereof have already stated as such but trolls are too quick to ignore that and would rather start a dumpster fire in this thread for shits and giggles). Quit kidding yourself about what this game is and started out as in the first place. In short, it's exactly as this person already stated quite eloquently.

Good writing or not, again this does not fit with theme that the game started with. Just because it turned mozart while I was listening to pop, doesn't automatically make it a masterpiece.

I'd quote more people but I am beyond annoyed with the direction of this game but I should not have to write you a thesis just because you don't like my opinion with what can be summed up with in a short sentence (something which I already did but you decided to act like a douche). If you enjoy what is slowly turning into a dumpster fire, that is your opinion. Have at it and enjoy.

 

[Deleted member 444674]

Really? Ok, lets begin with what others have already been pointing out.



The dev really should considering switching the name to this. It fits bit better considering what they're doing to the story.






It isn't exactly a good plot device for what IS a porn game. Some drama is good but the moment that drama is overdone and not well? It becomes a shit show that not all are going to like that may have actually liked it before the last couple updates made it go into a nose dive.



If this were NOT a porn game, nobody here would even give a crap about it. Quit kidding yourself about what this game is and started out as in the first place. In short, it's exactly as this person already stated quite eloquently.

This game isn’t a masterpiece but that last quote you highlighted definitely is. That’s a perfect description right there.