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Wouldn't the proper question be, what would Haley want you to do? You want to satisfy your own ego, but such got consequences. Could you imagine what such consequences would be?
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Consequence for who? Klaus?
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Haley... You kinda shortsighted ain't you? What most important? Her, or your ego?
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You came onto this thread and complained about the developer milking the game to an audience of mostly pirates.
And you seem to have either not read or ignored what I said about Patrons, thus completely negating your weak defense.
I believe our opinions have concurred on several games. In this one we happen to be diametrically opposed. I'm going to suggest to you what I usually suggest to people who come on F95 to trash a game. Make your point and leave. Don't try to stick around and argue needlessly with people who don't share your view. It never achieves anything, and only wastes everyone's time, especially yours.
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Be careful here, because Haley wants the MC to drop the whole matter. After she comes to realize Klaus' villainy (assuming she does), then it would be reasonable to consult her, but only then.
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If the mc went to make it a public affair to expose Klaus without consulting Haley about it. I doubt she would feel to good about the public exposure she would get. She would be put under scrutiny as well, always with cases such as this. Then maybe it get out she got a relationship with her brother to top it off.
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Agreed about the good game.
Emotions is running high, but I'm enjoying it even more now.
For me, the game is about Haley, not the MC (Although I hope they end up together. I like him).
I love realism, and this just brought a ton of Backstory for Haley. It explains a huge amount of her unanswered love for her brother. Imagine being Haley, and loving your brother more then anything in the world, but knowing you can never get it.
She is doing everything in her mind due to her brother. I suspect that she felt hurt at some stage byt the MC due to unanswered love and went to find love from Klaus. It is clear from the story that the MC never had the intense love for his sister until the start of the game. (Although he did love her, but not on the same level. Her love is almost an obsession)
Just off topic. Yes, girls mature faster, but boy's development physically between 14-15 is enormous.
By 15, not fully grown, most boys surpass females in terms of strength and at that time their hormones and sex drive are raging of the charts. Sex with a teacher, at that time in my mind for boys, would be more of a conquest (something to brag about, with little emotional scarring)
Girls at 15 (typically) have been sexually mature for a number of years since Primary school. They are super attractive to young adult males (Teachers and do be fair, older men as well), but have not learned the skills to deal with older men's advances and can easily fall prey to someone in position in power. I do think a lot of this is due to changes in society, remember girls used to marry at around 13.
All of the above is just my opinion. Yes the female teachers is just as guilty, but in my mind, the affect on girls can be much more severe.
So what about others he will/may hurt in the future? Do they not matter? MC doing nothing would be partially responsible for them if he does nothing. Quite a dilemma really. Possible bad consequences either way.
If only Klaus got justice sooner since IIRC minors aren't named to the public during criminal proceedings so Hayley would be out of the public eye.
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Well, I won't call you a sexist and say your thinking is outdated because it's true. The straight male brain is predominantly geared towards viewing sex as something for pleasure and straight women typically want to have some kind of connection with a guy before having sex. Basically, most straight women see a hot guy and think about having sex with him after they've gotten to know him because if he has a shit personality then they don't want to have sex with him, whereas most straight men see a hot girl with a great body and all they can think about is having sex with her and it doesn't matter what her personality is like because she's hot.
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Among most mammals, the males are promiscuous, while the females look for a male who can provide and protect. While humans are certainly more intellectually advanced than most mammals, they are still mammals and those traits, although perhaps somewhat vestigial, are still present to some extent.
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She not a minor any longer, and no, minors is not out of the public eye. Just look at some of the more famous (female)teacher/student cases that been in the media in past years. The victim get in the search light of media too. Just the world we live in.
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If that was the case, no woman would be in a relationship with an abusive partner (If they wanted to get to know the person first). One night stands, is a thing you know. Stereotype gender and people is not really practical in this day and age.
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Well looking at all those rich old farts with their young trophy wife's. (Or a rich old hag with her young muffin) They surly didn't hook up for love. Unless love for money and status counts. The protect part is replaced by the provide part these days. Just have to wait until the apocalypse hit when the only thing mean anything is the size of your gun and how many bullets you pack, lol.
Some would call it prostitution, and it's not just humans that does it. You find such "transactional" sex among penguins and chimpanzees as well (and probably more species). It's rated as the worlds oldest occupation after all.
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For those who made the choices that got the Victor/MC conversation (which I had to go way back in the game to trigger), I think it's too early to tell who was the victim in a story Victor's quite mysterious about. I lean towards something involving Sandra as well, but I'm in no way sure about that. As an example of letting complex adults be even more complex adults, I approve of this development. People who wanted their uninterrupted lighthearted fun will no doubt be disappointed, but I prefer rich characters.
Like some (not all) others, I'm more upset about Haley specifically because I like her as a character. To me, this is a very different thing than liking Haley as a real-life person. I probably would, because I gravitate towards that personality type, but the manipulation and the selfishness-for-show would also grate on me. But the thing is, the story justifies them. She's not that way just because she can't help it or because she doesn't care. She's got buried secrets and hidden desires, she knows they're taboo (more clearly in one case, less clearly in the other), and she's trying to work out how to get what she wants while also trying to hide from the world. She also doesn't, as a rule (with occasional exceptions), treat people other than the MC like that, which makes sense. She should be complicated. She should be full of contradictions. And she's nowhere near done yet. She still has some major shit to work out — with her brother, with her mother, regarding Klaus — and I genuinely don't understand that insistence that that's not interesting. It's only uninteresting if it's not done well, and no one on this forum has read the end of the story.
Would I have preferred a story without statutory rape? Yeah, as a decontextualized statement I would. But as I said at the time, it just raises the degree of difficulty. Simone Biles can do someone else's beam routine and do it perfectly. But she wants to do two things no one else has ever done. When she pulls it off, she's (more of a) legend. If she doesn't, at least she tried. Haley's Story isn't Simone Biles, but so far it's made incest work better than any game I've yet played. This despite the fact that I don't particularly enjoy incest games, as a rule, which is part of why I'm so impressed; I mostly find them to completely ignore what an actual incestuous relationship would entail, and this one never has. There's no way to know whether or not this was a deformative error until we see it played out. Games are not updates, stories are not chapters.
Fascinating to think about, whether or not it's the case.
Like some (not all) others, I'm more upset about Haley specifically because I like her as a character. To me, this is a very different thing than liking Haley as a real-life person. I probably would, because I gravitate towards that personality type, but the manipulation and the selfishness-for-show would also grate on me. But the thing is, the story justifies them. She's not that way just because she can't help it or because she doesn't care. She's got buried secrets and hidden desires, she knows they're taboo (more clearly in one case, less clearly in the other), and she's trying to work out how to get what she wants while also trying to hide from the world. She also doesn't, as a rule (with occasional exceptions), treat people other than the MC like that, which makes sense. She should be complicated. She should be full of contradictions. And she's nowhere near done yet. She still has some major shit to work out — with her brother, with her mother, regarding Klaus — and I genuinely don't understand that insistence that that's not interesting. It's only uninteresting if it's not done well, and no one on this forum has read the end of the story.
Would I have preferred a story without statutory rape? Yeah, as a decontextualized statement I would. But as I said at the time, it just raises the degree of difficulty. Simone Biles can do someone else's beam routine and do it perfectly. But she wants to do two things no one else has ever done. When she pulls it off, she's (more of a) legend. If she doesn't, at least she tried. Haley's Story isn't Simone Biles, but so far it's made incest work better than any game I've yet played. This despite the fact that I don't particularly enjoy incest games, as a rule, which is part of why I'm so impressed; I mostly find them to completely ignore what an actual incestuous relationship would entail, and this one never has. There's no way to know whether or not this was a deformative error until we see it played out. Games are not updates, stories are not chapters.
No, there's another path in which Haley goes with Adriana and you hang out with Victor. Based on an old choice, though; you'll have to go back a few updates. Maybe Haley and Adriana are having their own fun.
Now this is an interesting speculation. What if it's literal? I've opined, based on a lot of reasoning but utterly threadbare evidence, that Haley's seriously lying about her sexual past. What if that's the "story" in the title? What if everything she said was an attempt to present herself to her brother as a sexual sophisticate when in reality she's very nearly a virgin? I mean, she's either had sex or took care of it herself, obviously, as there was no blood, but what if the rest is all made up? Klaus as a girl's fantasy. Jack who never got there, or who maybe only got there once or twice. Throwing her brother at all the hot women in their orbit and insisting that she's not only fine with it, she's enthusiastically supportive of it. We know she's built up a complex sexual fantasy involving her brother and she's been doing it since they were young. What if that's true of her entire sexual history?
Fascinating to think about, whether or not it's the case.
What Haley wanted me to do. Anything else is re-traumatizing her. That's why this isn't about Klaus and it isn't about the MC's rage over Klaus. This is about Haley. If Klaus raped her (whether it was "he didn't stop her" or "he groomed her" or something in-between, though if they had sex it's statutory rape either way), nothing can or should happen until Haley agrees with that interpretation. That's the hard work. Yes, there may be statutory limitations at work that might obviate legal solutions, depending on where the game decides it's taking place, but there are remedies other than legal. All the ragey ones, though, are just stupid. As in: the MC punches Klaus, the MC ends up in jail. How does that help Haley? It satisfies an atavistic urge in certain players, but that's a terrible justification. I seriously don't think it's going to be that easy or that simple.
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OK.....So I have been reading all the controversy going on here about the latest update. I was going to leave it for a couple of updates before catching up but i kept reading the posts you lot have putting up the bad reviews the lot. So i just played it
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Because...and note, I'm one of the more enthusiastic supporters of the game:
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I realize replying to myself is well-earned evidence of insanity, but were I writing the game this is the exact direction I'd take. I'm shocked that I never thought of it myself.
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