mugizib

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The problem with Ptolemy games is they start well, have good moments but with development they go downhill until become boring.

In this case seems that Ptolemy took note of part of his audience that criticized Life with Mary for being lame and vanilla (even his teammate gamersglory was hard on the game) and seeing this game was going the same way, decided to spice things up.

First it was Daddy's thing, and then Haley's sexual debut drama.

Another feature of their games is they don't provide real choices, so I don't think we can choose different resolutions to the drama created.

So have to wait and see how this story ends, if I don't rule it out first.
 
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I just want to give a hypothetical story and would like for your thoughts on how Haley (as you know her through the story) would react, say or, do....

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Just wondered what you think she would say or do......knowing what you know of Haley?

I'm still hoping for "lots and lots" of sex with her...Lol!!......………………………...…..Peace!!
 

Walter Victor

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After 0.55, I decided it could get better. She said, MC forgot - we'll move forward.
I always thought you to be an intelligent poster. I may disagree at times, but after all, people more intelligent that all of us here often disagree on a wide variety of topics. But you can't have seriously believed that the whole Klaus matter would be left behind completely in the dust of v0.55. That would be blind wishful-thinking or self-deception at best. Please tell me you wrote that in jest for its shock effect.

"MC forgot?" Come on! That would be a bigger betrayal of the fanbase than ever was claimed to have happened in v0.55.

Or maybe it was just a dream, and we all wake up in J.R Ewing's shower.

Sorry, but that's just silly.
 
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Walter Victor

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Is that not the most hypocritical thing that anyone can say? After championing that F95 is a pirate site, you're telling me to make my point and leave? I'm going to suggest to you your own medicine. Go back to Patreon and stick around there where everyone loves the same game because they paid the money. It's a safe spot exclusive for paying customers, you won't find anyone complaining about the game there. Thanks.
Actually, I have said many times on many threads that I don't mind people posting negative comments on games I happen to like. I believe it is one of the things that this forum is for. What gets me is posters thinking that if they keep on posting those same negative comments, that they will somehow change ANYTHING.

Well if it strokes your ego to keep posting negativity here, I am never going to attempt to stop you. I have only suggested to you and to other posters here and elsewhere that there are too many really good games out there to be played. Personally, I want to play those games instead of butting my head against a wall on threads where most posters actually support the game.

EDIT: How long did you spend on your response? I spend time on this thread because I like the game and I like the conversations and speculations on what might happen in the future, and to occasionally defend it.

I was also going to add a long postscript about things I don't do when I don't like a game. But, thankfully for everyone reading this, I decided that would be too self-aggrandizing.

I am sure we will meet again elsewhere. Hopefully it will be under friendlier circumstances. I will try not to respond to any response of yours here. So you can probably have the last word. Adios!
 
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laflare82

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That's what annoyed me somewhat, Let me just state I'm FINE with the story and the sudden dark twist.

I get it's called Haley's story but that doesn't mean her and the mc HAVE to start an incestuous relationship, They can still deal with her Jealousy (Sandra, Adriana) & Mr Klaus while having a typical Brother/Sister relationship.
No homo I had to give you the love eyes my dude finally a sensible comment instead on addictive comments not everyone finds the incestuous relationship between the 2 appealing the story has been great up until that point I still debating playing this update reading the comments it's not clear wether I have to be with Haley or is there a point where I can choose not to be, out of every girl in this game Sandra is the best option she beats all the girls by a landslide by looks personality etc... some may not like Sandra because she's black I'll be honest I feel that's the main reason most who dont like Sandra is because of her race I've read comments saying "do I still have to be with the black girl" Im betting if Sandra was caucasian there would be a totally different topic on Haley being with the MC she would not beat Sandra at all, I also hated the fact towards the beginning of the incestuous acts between MC and Haley the Dev tried his best to down put Sandra at every corner because I truly and honestly believe dev didn't truly plan in the beginning to put incest into the game look how late in the game the incest came and making Sandra move to keep the player away to develop a liking for Haley for those that really liked Sandra manipulation and a way to milk game at its finest this game was soon to be completed but dev chose to make more money hats off to you I guess.
 
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Question 2 of them (A.) I get home early from work walk into my house and catch my middle school daughter getting plowed by a guy her age (B.) I get home early from work walk into my house and catch my middle school daughter getting plowed by a guy twice her age. Which of these two would probably land you in jail.
 

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Actually, I have said many times on many threads that I don't mind people posting negative comments on games I happen to like. I believe it is one of the things that this forum is for. What gets me is posters thinking that if they keep on posting those same negative comments, that they will somehow change ANYTHING.

Well if it strokes your ego to keep posting negativity here, I am never going to attempt to stop you. I have only suggested to you and to other posters here and elsewhere that there are too many really good games out there to be played. Personally, I want to play those games instead of butting my head against a wall on threads where most posters actually support the game.

EDIT: How long did you spend on your response? I spend time on this thread because I like the game and I like the conversations and speculations on what might happen in the future, and to occasionally defend it.

I was also going to add a long postscript about things I don't do when I don't like a game. But, thankfully for everyone reading this, I decided that would be too self-aggrandizing.

I am sure we will meet again elsewhere. Hopefully it will be under friendlier circumstances. I will try not to respond to any response of yours here. So you can probably have the last word. Adios!
But that has happened are we forgetting The Engagement if it was not for the comments dev would have continued in the direction he was heading.
 

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Question 2 of them (A.) I get home early from work walk into my house and catch my middle school daughter getting plowed by a guy her age (B.) I get home early from work walk into my house and catch my middle school daughter getting plowed by a guy twice her age. Which of these two would probably land you in jail.
Personally, if I had a middle school daughter, and I come home and she is getting plowed, I don't care how old he is, he's going to the hospital! Then afterwards I need to figure out what I did wrong for a 12-14 girl to think it's ok to have sex at that age in the first place.
 

Walter Victor

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But that has happened are we forgetting The Engagement if it was not for the comments dev would have continued in the direction he was heading.
I play that game too. But that game is still in early development, so a developer can easily change course. This game is in... what? It's 13th release? [There are 13 episode scripts in the game folder.]

As I have said in another response, I believe that going back and changing what happened at the v0.55 would be a complete betrayal.
 

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I play that game too. But that game is still in early development, so a developer can easily change course. This game is in... what? It's 13th release? [There are 13 episode scripts in the game folder.]

As I have said in another response, I believe that going back and changing what happened at the v0.55 would be a complete betrayal.
I agree
 
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The more I think about it, Since she stated it was consensual I believe it to be a type of grooming. To the point where she truly thought it was what she wanted to be doing. I would guess that her having the thoughts about her brother and all that made her confide in him since she didnt know where else to go. He was her teacher/tutor? If i am not mistaken with that, Maybe she felt safe enough with him. He then used this to groom her to into sleeping with him as a way to distance herself or change her thinking.

I mean she was obviously unstable early, She basically told us that she dated that nick guy because he was a fat version of the MC to try and deal with her desire/temptations. Then I would also guess that this was found out by the mother who didnt report it but made it stop and didnt let anyone else know. This is why she treats her so indifferently, She knows about the rape but maybe Haley also told her about her feelings towards MC.

It was just weird how she brought it up and then threw up walls instantly, Like yea I fucked our old math teacher no big deal, Then you ask about it and she doesnt want to talk about. That then puts my theory into a weird spot, Was she really groomed? Maybe she really liked the teacher? Maybe it was such a bad experience she just doesnt want to talk about it?
 
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In Acting Lessons, Dr. Pink Cakes put in a plot development that at the time received a negative reaction from the vast majority of the posts in the F95 discussion group. I was one of those people. Since that time his reviews have been mostly positive. I said this before that if you play the game over a relatively short period of time players may develop less of an emotional tie to the characters than those that play it from update to update. I also believe that at least some people read comments before they decide to play a game so they find out what is going to happen before they play. This would lessen the impact of such jarring plot developments. The thing is that AL made Dr. Pink Cakes famous. He has a new game and on his Patreon page he describes his game as a story based on fraternity comedies. He also adds, "the general tone will be happy, but if you're in a dark period of your life, I'd advise you to not play the game." It seems that he may be trying to cash in some on his notoriety (or infamy.) Regardless of what you think of AL, there is no denying that most people on this site know the story.

I wonder if we have something like this going on here. I know some people do not agree with me, but I think the twist in the plot did not belong in this story. It was introduced poorly because there was no way to do it well. It was designed to have the deepest negative reaction possible. Then came the flurry of posts here criticizing the turn the story took. As a result there was a lot of activity on the "What's New" page regarding Haley's Story. That generates interest in the story and gets more people to play. People who don't have the same emotional investment as long time players and who are probably aware of the Klaus incident before it comes out (reducing the shock.) Since the August update, donations to this developer have increased substantially. So I guess it pays to put controversy into your story, just ask Dr. Pink Cakes.

I'm not sure what to think about the latest update. I think that the writing was a little better (regardless of typos.) It definitely could have been worse. It could have been all about Haley's rape. I think there is still a huge logic flaw with Haley telling MC about Klaus because she did not want to keep any secrets and then she spent this entire update keeping the details of the relationship secret. Before I played the update i read some of the comments deciding whether I really wanted to put myself through it. Someone posted that it came out that MC's girlfriend had been raped. At first I thought it referred to MC's high school girlfriend. I thought that Mr. Klaus probably molested her too and that's why she ended up giving $20 BJ's in the bathroom. Anyway, it did seem that every time the story started toward getting back on track Klaus entered MC's mind again. Actually that might have been fairly realistic. Just when MC got it out of his head for a moment, it came rushing back.

I just wonder if possibly there has been some change of direction. The resolution of the Haley's rape was supposed to take four or five updates. The first of those updates has arrived and all we have is MC thinking about it. I said before that I thought there were better ways to examine the family dynamics and the origin of Haley's feelings for her brother than to introduce her being raped by a teacher. I suggested a family illness or death. Now we have the possibility of trouble with the parents' marriage. I don't want to play the August update again, but I don't remember any hint that there were any issues between them. I'm not saying anyone listened to me, just that there may be indications that the developers may be looking for different ways to accomplish whatever goals the Haley rape was designed to accomplish (other than financial gain.) Which brings me to Sandra. If originally Haley was supposed to be the victim of abuse that lasted more than the one incident, what if they changed that to Sandra being the victim of long term abuse. That way they keep the drama without having it happen to Haley. The rape of Haley could be a one time event. Klaus could be deeply ashamed of and sorry for what happened; not that it makes him any less guilty, but it's better that him being a serial molester. Haley could come to terms with what happened to her as she helps Sandra deal with Sandra's abuse. It may all just be wishful thinking, but I would like to think that the developers still want people to enjoy their story and don't want them to feel miserable after playing it. Maybe they got wind of the reaction that so many people were having or maybe this was just the story the entire time. It just seems really odd that they would end the August update with MC finding out about Haley (his secret girlfriend) being raped and the September update with MC finding out Sandra (his public girlfriend) being abused.

While the story does not "feel" the way that it used to feel, and maybe it will never again feel that way. Hopefully it will get better than it is now. There has been speculation on which developer was responsible for this plot twist. If it was Ptolemy as many have suggested, I hope that Viitgames goes solo on his next project.
 
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