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I REALLY need that WTF emoji, can anyone create one? I promise to use it as sparingly as I can.
 

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I feel like blocking people is leading to serious missing out. I don't care, but it's fairly obvious that I'm lacking some incoherent ragey entertainment. Haley's braid is comforting me through these difficult times.

Haley's braid is kinky as hell, BTW.
 
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Really? Still waiting for the "OP Updated thanks cheezedoodle for the share" post, nor do I see my name mentioned anywhere in the OP so never??? This has been several times that I put my wallet where my mouth was before I said anything...
 

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I feel like blocking people is leading to serious missing out. I don't care, but it's fairly obvious that I'm lacking some incoherent ragey entertainment. Haley's braid is comforting me through these difficult times.

Haley's braid is kinky as hell, BTW.
Blocking and ublocking Is kinky also.

Answering to People without quoting them, cuting parts of posts and commenting them without quoting the original poster Is also kinky.

Deleting posts also kinky.

Kinky Is good
 

ptahn

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I feel like blocking people is leading to serious missing out. I don't care, but it's fairly obvious that I'm lacking some incoherent ragey entertainment. Haley's braid is comforting me through these difficult times.

Haley's braid is kinky as hell, BTW.
I almost convo'd you #5107-#5109.
 

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@ gr33nappleboy It's really not that difficult to understand.

1) isnt fucking a rape victim while adresses you the way you believe adressed her rapist a far more uncommon a disturbung matter than common ntr?
What he probably meant to say was that Haley uses the same terms of affection for the MC as she used for her teacher which he finds more disturbing than the idea of NTR.

The game, at least for me, is at this point borderline misery porn and I don't think the devs will be able to tackle this topic in a respectful manner, especially in a way that the upcoming sex scenes are enjoyable and not overshadowed by Haley's past.
 

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@ gr33nappleboy It's really not that difficult to understand.



What he probably meant to say was that Haley uses the same terms of affection for the MC as she used for her teacher which he finds more disturbing than the idea of NTR.

The game, at least for me, is at this point borderline misery porn and I don't think the devs will be able to tackle this topic in a respectful manner, especially in a way that the upcoming sex scenes are enjoyable and not overshadowed by Haley's past.
We don't know that she ever called Klaus "daddy." This forum will explode if she did and there will be a mass exodus from the game.
 

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@ gr33nappleboy It's really not that difficult to understand.



What he probably meant to say was that Haley uses the same terms of affection for the MC as she used for her teacher which he finds more disturbing than the idea of NTR.

The game, at least for me, is at this point borderline misery porn and I don't think the devs will be able to tackle this topic in a respectful manner, especially in a way that the upcoming sex scenes are enjoyable and not overshadowed by Haley's past.
I guess that was an obvious point in an "incoherent ragey entertaining" post.

Not a native english speaker i couldnt find the exactly accurate description.

Misery porn Is the tag
 

apnea111

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We don't know that she ever called Klaus "daddy." This forum will explode if she did and there will be a mass exodus from the game.
Isnt it constantly hinted in Last updates. And constantly hinted while an easilly solvable or explainable issue?

Isnt this the mcs understanding?

How do you suggest or think they will backtrack from that?

Will they? Or they gonna let it faid away?
 

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Calling a male sexual partner "daddy" is not particularly original so it does not have to be explained by more than Haley being playful. It would be more outlandish to think that Haley would give MC (the man she has loved for so much of her life) a pet name that she had used with someone else. This would be especially true if the story goes as planned with Haley realizing that she was abused by Klaus. Every time she called her brother "daddy" it would have to remind her of Klaus. I'm not saying that I am 100% certain that she did not call Klaus "daddy," just not necessarily the case. If it turns out that she did, I believe that it will be the end of this game for me as well. Maybe when this is all over we can take up a collection to see if gamersglory and his team would be willing to seamlessly remove all traces of Klaus from the story.
 
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Calling a male sexual partner "daddy" is not particularly original so it does not have to be explained by more than Haley being playful. It would be more outlandish to think that Haley would give MC (the man she has loved for so much of her life) a pet name that she had used with someone else. This would be especially true if the story goes as planned with Haley realizing that she was abused by Klaus. Every time she called her brother "daddy" it would have to remind her of Klaus. I'm not saying that I am 100% certain that she did not call Klaus "daddy," just not necessarily the case. If it turns out that she did, I believe that it will be the end of this game for me as well. Maybe when this is all over we can take up a collection to see if gamersglory and his team would be willing to seamlessly remove all traces of Klaus from the story.
100% wrong

The issue is 100% easilly solvable in terms of story progression. By having mc asking directly to cut it of and insisting. Devs have a different approach and keep draging it.

It isnt easilly solvable in terms of why halley is doing it. Mc has adressed that several times im the story. Directly asked her if it mr klaus related and didnt get an answer. Also expressed his discomfort about the issue without an outcome. Even gone "he..he" after that in order for the devs to keep dragging it.

Hinted consistently and constantly that this is a behavior pattern based on deaper causes .

Dragging it through 2 updates hinting that is mr klaus related, and then backtraking to a future update that this is a "common play thing" only sense it makes is dev backtracking.

cant explained by common sense. I mean if thats so eassily expalinable and the answer is so simple wtf hasnt haley given that easy simple answer when asked?
 

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The way I see it, "daddy" started as an indication that she wants him to be the dominant partner. When he expressed displeasure, it became a way for her to tease him. The "he he" comment supports this.
If it turns out that it it is related to Klaus, that puts a different perspective on it but I don't think we should automatically assume that is the case.
 

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100% wrong

The issue is 100% easilly solvable in terms of story progression. By having mc asking directly to cut it of and insisting. Devs have a different approach and keep draging it.

It isnt easilly solvable in terms of why halley is doing it. Mc has adressed that several times im the story. Directly asked her if it mr klaus related and didnt get an answer. Also expressed his discomfort about the issue without an outcome. Even gone "he..he" after that in order for the devs to keep dragging it.

Hinted consistently and constantly that this is a behavior pattern based on deaper causes .

Dragging it through 2 updates hinting that is mr klaus related, and then backtraking to a future update that this is a "common play thing" only sense it makes is dev backtracking.

cant explained by common sense. I mean if thats so eassily expalinable and the answer is so simple wtf hasnt haley given that easy simple answer when asked?
Let's just say that it is my hope that the developers may be backtracking on several issues in this story in order to salvage it. I believe if they go too far down a dark path they will lose even some of the people that now support them. I got the impression from previous posts that Ptolemy may have gotten rattled on Discord by the negative feedback. It may be that some modifications are being made which might explain why the last update was so short and why the Klaus incident was not addressed in any real way. I want to get to the other side of this with as little pain as possible. Who knows, perhaps the developers will change the story to Haley really be okay with the past events and it will just be MC who has to get over it. In real life it would be different. Haley might need counseling to cope with what happened to her. This is not real life, Haley feels whatever the dev.'s want her to feel. Basically, I just want this resolved in a way that I can stomach.
 

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The way I see it, "daddy" started as an indication that she wants him to be the dominant partner. When he expressed displeasure, it became a way for her to tease him. The "he he" comment supports this.
If it turns out that it it is related to Klaus, that puts a different perspective on it but I don't think we should automatically assume that is the case.
Lets make your arguement more clear in terms of storys progression.

A girl calls you daddy cause she wants you to be the dominant partner. She reveals just after having sex for the first time that when 15 had a sexual relationship with a 48 old dude. You ask her if the daddy issue Is related to that and she doesnt respond. She doesnt respond every time you ask her. Or denies to cut it of by constantly repeating it. And she does that cause she wants to tease you!!! And the MC who already thinks that his Sister was exploited and abused toggles his reactions to even "He.. Hes" cause he gets he Is being teased!!!

So i guess your True expectations Is that the dev backtracks from this. And that they will justify it in way you wont become uncomfortable even if the justification doesnt make any sense.
While remaining comfortable with the current content of the story waiting even a poor justification to seal your comfortablillity.
OK.

Let's just say that it is my hope that the developers may be backtracking on several issues in this story in order to salvage it. I believe if they go too far down a dark path they will lose even some of the people that now support them. I got the impression from previous posts that Ptolemy may have gotten rattled on Discord by the negative feedback. It may be that some modifications are being made which might explain why the last update was so short and why the Klaus incident was not addressed in any real way. I want to get to the other side of this with as little pain as possible. Who knows, perhaps the developers will change the story to Haley really be okay with the past events and it will just be MC who has to get over it. In real life it would be different. Haley might need counseling to cope with what happened to her. This is not real life, Haley feels whatever the dev.'s want her to feel. Basically, I just want this resolved in a way that I can stomach.
Same case here Mate. You clearly state you want devs to backtrack. The difference here Is you Already feel uncomfortable.

Some common points in both your arguments

1) Backtracking in a story makes the original content of the story problematic. Solid stories and solid writer dont backtrack.

2) Backtracking in a story Is the biggest aknowledgment of the importance and value of critisism. There Is Major inconsistency here in the first posters attitude and reactions towards critisism.

3) In both cases People have their understandings and their expectations about the story.

Someone argued before that "The story itself its utterly beyond the reach of most players"

I have never read i more faulted arguement.
Because good stories are always in reach of most players. Everyone May have his ownn expectations and understanding. And the majority of them meet in a common place, called common sense.

A quantum physics story Is a story beyond the reach of most People. Yet at the audience its oriented to Is utterly within their reach.

Last time i checked this Is a community about porn Games. And HS Is supposed to be a vanilla one.

The more "disturbed" a content of a story becomes the more the place called common sense is narrowed. Even more if the content Is made through a series of unfortunate highly inplausible events.

Its not a matter of intelligence. Everyone can understand that fucking a rape victim while you believe she Is addressing you the way she adressed her rapist Is a highly disturbed content.

If an escape route Is offered to the first of you, even a defining common logic one seems to be good enough for you, or an escape through Backtracking to the second one it will because the content of last updates was heavilly critisized.

Not because non critisizing random dudes quote one another. Including dudes that had to "get the memo" in order the fact that this Is a statutory rape case becomes within their reach.

Hope even not a native english speaker i am clear enough.
 

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The MC did not know anything about the rape ever happening and tell after they had sex and Haily mentions it in a kind of oh by the way like statement and then clams up about

"Last time I checked this is a community about porn Games. And HS is supposed to be a vanilla one."

Did we ever say we were making this Vanilla or for this community :unsure: Nope we wanted to make a story too many Vanilla ones out there. Quite honestly Ptolemy is tired of vanilla. Maybe we decided to make a VN that had some nudity and sex but it's not all about that. Haily sees the MC is her main support and her comfort as the rest of her family seems aloof and almost in some sort of denial. Sometimes victims of rape tend to blame themselves for it happening even though it's never there fault. Haily has not coped with it and now the MC knows too and he wants to help her
 

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Totally comfy, watching this endless catfight between dudes (mostly, anyway)



I just wanted to say that I don't see any tags or descriptions about this game being vanilla.
Good story so far, IMHO. Waiting for what comes next. Not assuming or expecting anything, wherever this ride may go. Just hoping that it won't get boring.
 
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apnea111

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The MC did not know anything about the rape ever happening and tell after they had sex and Haily mentions it in a kind of oh by the way like statement and then clams up about

"Last time I checked this is a community about porn Games. And HS is supposed to be a vanilla one."

Did we ever say we were making this Vanilla or for this community :unsure: Nope we wanted to make a story too many Vanilla ones out there. Quite honestly Ptolemy is tired of vanilla. Maybe we decided to make a VN that had some nudity and sex but it's not all about that. Haily sees the MC is her main support and her comfort as the rest of her family seems aloof and almost in some sort of denial. Sometimes victims of rape tend to blame themselves for it happening even though it's never there fault. Haily has not coped with it and now the MC knows too and he wants to help her
The questions were rhetorical mate. Didnt expect to receive True answers when youre standing in a ptolemys emloyee position.

Haley refered to MC 3 times As daddy after first sex scene and prior to 2nd one. At the point MC clearly understood it was a rape or abuse case, and Already made a connection to daddy refernces to Mr Klaus.

You're game Is vanilla in terms of tags.
There Is no tag for borderline ntr or borderline rape content. And there Is no "fuck a rape victim while she calls you her rapist nickname" or "fuck a mentally troubled woman" tag.

If you want to do adult stories with borderline content, care how you treat it. And have a sense of the content you deliver.

Get on with it.
 
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