VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Ragnar]

The MC did not know anything about the rape ever happening and tell after they had sex and Haily mentions it in a kind of oh by the way like statement and then clams up about

"Last time I checked this is a community about porn Games. And HS is supposed to be a vanilla one."

Did we ever say we were making this Vanilla or for this community Nope we wanted to make a story too many Vanilla ones out there. Quite honestly Ptolemy is tired of vanilla. Maybe we decided to make a VN that had some nudity and sex but it's not all about that. Haily sees the MC is her main support and her comfort as the rest of her family seems aloof and almost in some sort of denial. Sometimes victims of rape tend to blame themselves for it happening even though it's never there fault. Haily has not coped with it and now the MC knows too and he wants to help her

Drama is fine but don't forget to throw us fappers some bones, especially the yoga girl bones

 

[Walter Victor]

Just hoping that it won't get boring.

Little chance of that happening.

 

[Alfius]

The questions were rhetorical mate. Didnt expect to receive True answers when youre standing in a ptolemys emloyee position.

Haley refered to MC 3 times As daddy after first sex scene and prior to 2nd one. At the point MC clearly understood it was a rape or abuse case, and Already made a connection to daddy refernces to Mr Klaus.

You're game Is vanilla in terms of tags.
There Is no tag for borderline ntr or borderline rape content. And there Is no "fuck a rape victim while she calls you her rapist nickname" or "fuck a mentally troubled woman" tag.

If you want to do adult stories with borderline content, care how you treat it. And have a sense of the content you deliver.

Get on with it.

I thought I would leave the comments section for this game untill the next release, but the amount of over sensitive souls wondering this threat forced my hand.

Go play the last update to the Deluca Family to get some perspective! Haley was sexually active with her teacher. While technically statutory rape, I think people need some perspective.

There are literally things that can happen to people that are a 1000 x times worse. In the bigger scheme of things what happened to her was relatively insignificant compared to some other horrors of life. Not trying to make light of it and also depending on the information we know as fact, up to know.

I get that some people felt the change in tone came out of nowhere and does not want to continue, but to suggest that this was the worst thing out there, even on this forum is a bit ignorant.

This game does not contain anything close to borderline content except the incest. It deals with complex issues that deeply effects the relationship of the two main characters. I'm looking forward to how everything will unfold. I do not think the Dev will change his game and I for one would hate it if he does due to player pressure. Then it's not his story anymore, but the fan's story...and frankly, I much prefer him to tell his story. I would not like to play any story compiled by the complainers on here, as I'm sure that it would suck.

It's a pet peeve for me if Dev/writers change their story to please the fans. Sure constructive criticism is good, but in the end, it's not your story to tell.

BTW...there is not NTR or Rape currently present in the game, the fact that it is referenced in the past does not make it part of the game.

 

[apnea111]

I thought I would leave the comments section for this game untill the next release, but the amount of over sensitive souls wondering this threat forced my hand.

Go play the last update to the Deluca Family to get some perspective! Haley was sexually active with her teacher. While technically statutory rape, I think people need some perspective.

There are literally things that can happen to people that are a 1000 x times worse. In the bigger scheme of things what happened to her was relatively insignificant compared to some other horrors of life. Not trying to make light of it and also depending on the information we know as fact, up to know.

I get that some people felt the change in tone came out of nowhere and does not want to continue, but to suggest that this was the worst thing out there, even on this forum is a bit ignorant.

This game does not contain anything close to borderline content except the incest. It deals with complex issues that deeply effects the relationship of the two main characters. I'm looking forward to how everything will unfold. I do not think the Dev will change his game and I for one would hate it if he does due to player pressure. Then it's not his story anymore, but the fan's story...and frankly, I much prefer him to tell his story. I would not like to play any story compiled by the complainers on here, as I'm sure that it would suck.

It's a pet peeve for me if Dev/writers change their story to please the fans. Sure constructive criticism is good, but in the end, it's not your story to tell.

BTW...there is not NTR or Rape currently present in the game, the fact that it is referenced in the past does not make it part of the game.

What worst happens in real life isnt even an arguement.

Statutory rape isnt a techicallity. Its rape.

15 year old Kids by default arent active towards 48 year old farts

I have a different opinion that borderline ntr and bordeline rape content Is Already in story (again borderline)

Haleys rape case Is Already a main part of Games content.

The current content Is far more disturbing and uncommon than common ntr or rape content.

I dont give a ff for real life drama when in here. I am not in a disqussion thread about an actual case for example of a pedophile raping kindengarden Kids.

Even if i was that wouldnt change my perspective about someone fucking a mentally troubled woman or a rape victim fucking while adresses her partner the way she adressed her rapist.

WHILE WRITING THIS POST PROBABLY AT THE TIME IT TOOK ME, THOUSAND OF PEOPLE DIED AROUND THE WORD. KILED, RAPED. HAVING THEIR LIFES DESTROED. ALSO EARTH IS A SMALL PLANET IN COMMON SOLAR SYSTEM AMONG BILLIONS OF OTHERS IN A MEDIUM GALAXY. ONE OF TRILLIONS OF GALAXIES IN A VAST UNIVERSE.

How small and unimportant a person Is compared to to the big picture isnt an arguement.

If one Is entering a pedophile site and fapping to that content the unimportancy of its existence and the vastness of the universe Isnt the cause. The cause Is that he Is either Already a pedophile or a pedophile in the making.

Phylosophical issues and astronomy arent the causes.

 

[Joshua Tree]

What worst happens in real life isnt even an arguement.

Statutory rape isnt a techicallity. Its rape.

15 year old Kids by default arent active towards 48 year old farts

I have a different opinion that borderline ntr and bordeline rape content Is Already in story (again borderline)

Haleys rape case Is Already a main part of Games content.

The current content Is far more disturbing and uncommon than common ntr or rape content.

I dont give a ff for real life drama when in here. I am not in a disqussion thread about an actual case for example of a pedophile raping kindengarden Kids.

Even if i was that wouldnt change my perspective about someone fucking a mentally troubled woman or a rape victim fucking while adresses her partner the way she adressed her rapist.

WHILE WRITING THIS POST PROBABLY AT THE TIME IT TOOK ME, THOUSAND OF PEOPLE DIED AROUND THE WORD. KILED, RAPED. HAVING THEIR LIFES DESTROED. ALSO EARTH IS A SMALL PLANET IN COMMON SOLAR SYSTEM AMONG BILLIONS OF OTHERS IN A MEDIUM GALAXY. ONE OF TRILLIONS OF GALAXIES IN A VAST UNIVERSE.

How small and unimportant a person Is compared to to the big picture isnt an arguement.

If one Is entering a pedophile site and fapping to that content the unimportancy of its existence and the vastness of the universe Isnt the cause. The cause Is that he Is either Already a pedophile or a pedophile in the making.

Phylosophical issues and astronomy arent the causes.

In some cultures around the world, girls of that age, get married off to some old fart, that more than often some close kin to the family.

By your definition, someone that get their jollies off playing games with a rape fetish, is them a rapist in the making then?

Let the story unfold and play the game. Stop read between the lines and get riled up, it serves no purpose. If people don't end up like it, then stay clear. It's that simple really.

If I start read a book and figure out it's not of my liking after a chapter or two, I don't contact the writer to demand him write a new book for me.

 

[Alfius]

What worst happens in real life isnt even an arguement.
Statutory rape isnt a techicallity. Its rape.

Statutory Rape =/= Rape.
I'm not going to get into this whole argument again. The Mod already warned about discussing this further.
Wikipedia is your friend and sentences for these offences are different.

15 year old Kids by default arent active towards 48 year old farts
I have a different opinion that borderline ntr and bordeline rape content Is Already in story (again borderline)
Haleys rape case Is Already a main part of Games content.
The current content Is far more disturbing and uncommon than common ntr or rape content.

It is an event that happened in the game. You do not need to like it. I do not like the event, but it enriches the story for me.
There are also a ton of games on here with much more disturbing content.
(Deluca Family for one...bloody good game as well)

I dont give a ff for real life drama when in here. I am not in a disqussion thread about an actual case for example of a pedophile raping kindengarden Kids.
Even if i was that wouldnt change my perspective about someone fucking a mentally troubled woman or a rape victim fucking while adresses her partner the way she adressed her rapist.

It's called telling a story... you might have heard of it. Sometimes stories touches darker themes. There are other games on this site with much darker themes then this one, see point above.

Some of the best books/movies contains dark themes. Arguable the best scene in Game of Thrones were the "red wedding" that was a horrible scene all round.

WHILE WRITING THIS POST PROBABLY AT THE TIME IT TOOK ME, THOUSAND OF PEOPLE DIED AROUND THE WORD. KILED, RAPED. HAVING THEIR LIFES DESTROED. ALSO EARTH IS A SMALL PLANET IN COMMON SOLAR SYSTEM AMONG BILLIONS OF OTHERS IN A MEDIUM GALAXY. ONE OF TRILLIONS OF GALAXIES IN A VAST UNIVERSE.

How small and unimportant a person Is compared to to the big picture isnt an arguement.

If one Is entering a pedophile site and fapping to that content the unimportancy of its existence and the vastness of the universe Isnt the cause. The cause Is that he Is either Already a pedophile or a pedophile in the making.

Phylosophical issues and astronomy arent the causes.

So do you only want happy games? With no drama? Good for you, there are plenty of them out there. I can even give you a list of them. And some of them are really good.

I do not mind feel good games as well, but the occasional game with darker themes, is refreshing for me.

Some can also cross the line for me (or come close to), Then I will state my opinion on it, in the thread, like you do here and if it becomes too much, I will stop playing the game and stop visiting the thread.

It is fine if you do not like the new direction of Haley, but I actually enjoyed the last 2 updates. I also hate Klaus, but what can you do. Shit happens. That does not mean I hate the game.

I hated Jeoffry in GOT, but I still liked the series (Up to season 5 )

 

[apnea111]

In some cultures around the world, girls of that age, get married off to some old fart, that more than often some close kin to the family.

By your definition, someone that get their jollies off playing games with a rape fetish, is them a rapist in the making then?

Let the story unfold and play the game. Stop read between the lines and get riled up, it serves no purpose. If people don't end up like it, then stay clear. It's that simple really.

If I start read a book and figure out it's not of my liking after a chapter or two, I don't contact the writer to demand him write a new book for me.

Again not an arguement.

Already noted i dont give a ff about real life drama when in here.

In other cultures teen girls have their clits cut of.
You can get raped and sentenced to death by stone throwing.

The pedophiles example was an extreme one showcasing that extreme cases or extreme kings have nothing to do with the bigger picture.

The more uncommon the genre the most uncommon the fapping. Scat or vore content defines uncommon faping. Rape themed games are also rare (less rare that previous) and also define uncommon fapping.
And so on.

I am not suggesting that any thing has to go according to my likings.
I am critisizing the current status of the game. Update after update i will revise my critisism

Riled up People have offensive behavior towards other, usually no arguments and tend to toggle the Block button.

Thats not my case

Statutory Rape =/= Rape.
I'm not going to get into this whole argument again. The Mod already warned about discussing this further.
Wikipedia is your friend and sentences for these offences are different.


It is an event that happened in the game. You do not need to like it. I do not like the event, but it enriches the story for me.
There are also a ton of games on here with much more disturbing content.
(Deluca Family for one...bloody good game as well)



It's called telling a story... you might have heard of it. Sometimes stories touches darker themes. There are other games on this site with much darker themes then this one, see point above.

Some of the best books/movies contains dark themes. Arguable the best scene in Game of Thrones were the "red wedding" that was a horrible scene all round.


So do you only want happy games? With no drama? Good for you, there are plenty of them out there. I can even give you a list of them. And some of them are really good.

I do not mind feel good games as well, but the occasional game with darker themes, is refreshing for me.

Some can also cross the line for me (or come close to), Then I will state my opinion on it, in the thread, like you do here and if it becomes too much, I will stop playing the game and stop visiting the thread.

It is fine if you do not like the new direction of Haley, but I actually enjoyed the last 2 updates. I also hate Klaus, but what can you do. Shit happens. That does not mean I hate the game.

I hated Jeoffry in GOT, but I still liked the series (Up to season 5 )

Happy Games are often mindless and naive.

I ike drama if its a solid one.

Darker themes are also OK for me. Darker critusism should also be OK fot you Mate.

I dont apreciate at all "The if dont like it dont play it, and leave thread"

I could diverse it and make an "if dont like critusism and opossite opinions go to ptolemys discord where its a happy story and Everyone lives fappily ever after" arguement. Thats a bs arguement. You can go or stay in whatever thread you want. And you can have whatever opinion you want.
Although agree to disagree, I tend to have a respect for opinions even opossite ones. Thats why i am spending time to reply every time quoted.

You will have to bare with me Mate. I dont intend leaving this thread.

 

[Alfius]

Again not an arguement.
Happy Games are often mindless and naive.
I ike drama if its a solid one.

Darker themes are also OK for me. Darker critusism should also be OK fot you Mate.
I dont apreciate at all "The if dont like it dont play it, and leave thread"

I could diverse it and make an "if dont like critusism and opossite opinions go to ptolemys discord where its a happy story and Everyone lives fappily ever after" arguement. Thats a bs arguement. You can go or stay in whatever thread you want. And you can have whatever opinion you want.
Although agree to disagree, I tend to have a respect for opinions even opossite ones. Thats why i am spending time to reply every time quoted.

You will have to bare me Mate. I dont intend leaving this thread.

I did not tell you to leave, but I think you made your point. This exact same topic has been discussed in ad nauseum, just after the update was released. After a while it starts to become tiresome.(I only said what I normally do if I start disliking a game)

If you still enjoy playing the game, by all means continue posting here. If you don't enjoy the game anymore and still want to post...sure thing, I just don't see the point.

What does get under my skin (Not saying you did that), is when people try to get the Dev to change his game. Now that really annoys me. If ppl think they can do better then the dev, they should just write their own game. Constructive criticism and fan opinion is good, but it should stay just that. Advice to the dev, that the dev can choose to ignore, use or not use to his liking.

Pressuring the dev to change his story to what the fans like, is not cool in my book. The normal argument is NTR/Non-NTR fans trying to get the dev to change his story. It's fine to state your opinion but at some stage one should let the dev get on with the story his got in mind. There is enough abandoned games on here where the dev lost his passion for the game.

 

[vir_cotto]

I thought I would leave the comments section for this game untill the next release, but the amount of over sensitive souls wondering this threat forced my hand.

Go play the last update to the Deluca Family to get some perspective! Haley was sexually active with her teacher. While technically statutory rape, I think people need some perspective.

There are literally things that can happen to people that are a 1000 x times worse. In the bigger scheme of things what happened to her was relatively insignificant compared to some other horrors of life. Not trying to make light of it and also depending on the information we know as fact, up to know.

I get that some people felt the change in tone came out of nowhere and does not want to continue, but to suggest that this was the worst thing out there, even on this forum is a bit ignorant.

This game does not contain anything close to borderline content except the incest. It deals with complex issues that deeply effects the relationship of the two main characters. I'm looking forward to how everything will unfold. I do not think the Dev will change his game and I for one would hate it if he does due to player pressure. Then it's not his story anymore, but the fan's story...and frankly, I much prefer him to tell his story. I would not like to play any story compiled by the complainers on here, as I'm sure that it would suck.

It's a pet peeve for me if Dev/writers change their story to please the fans. Sure constructive criticism is good, but in the end, it's not your story to tell.

BTW...there is not NTR or Rape currently present in the game, the fact that it is referenced in the past does not make it part of the game.

You obviously don't know why people complain about. Yes, TDF is the great game - among my favourites and Luna is my No. 1 - but TDF was from the start a mix of light and dark tones. We know who is Luna and we know she didn't become out of blue like that.

Haley? Haley was nothing but a light romance with expected incest route as the game progress. And then it started - out of blue and without logic - at first with Haley's "Daddy" idiocy. Some players didn't like that and - lo and behold - they were right. And even AFTER we learned about "pedo Santa Claus", Haley continues with her "Daddy" shit. Why is that important? It's important cause you mentioned game doesn't have NTR or rape... Well - either writer is autistic so he doesn't know what he is doing with this "Daddy" trope and Klaus story or he is preparing the path for real daddy. But, hey! That wasn't enough! No, sir! So, now we have two girls with the history of being raped/molested.

And you are right about one thing: I also wouldn't like for an author to change the story because of fans but this is no longer a story - this is a joke. And I would advise people to play it just to see how more stupid this can become.

 

[Segnbora]

Haley was nothing but a light romance with expected incest route as the game progress.

Despite one of the devs telling you the exact opposite not that many posts ago.

Haley's Story is a complete work. You've only seen part of it. Go read the first chapter of The Lord of the Rings. It's a lighthearted comedic novel about those silly Hobbits, right?

And then it started - out of blue and without logic - at first with Haley's "Daddy" idiocy.

I know you don't grasp how dominance and submission work, but for someone who does it was all quite plain and easy to understand from the beginning.

now we have two girls with the history of being raped/molested

Who's the second one? Provide a quote from the game, please.

 

[Alfius]

You obviously don't know why people complain about. Yes, TDF is the great game - among my favourites and Luna is my No. 1 - but TDF was from the start a mix of light and dark tones. We know who is Luna and we know she didn't become out of blue like that.

Haley? Haley was nothing but a light romance with expected incest route as the game progress. And then it started - out of blue and without logic - at first with Haley's "Daddy" idiocy. Some players didn't like that and - lo and behold - they were right. And even AFTER we learned about "pedo Santa Claus", Haley continues with her "Daddy" shit. Why is that important? It's important cause you mentioned game doesn't have NTR or rape... Well - either writer is autistic so he doesn't know what he is doing with this "Daddy" trope and Klaus story or he is preparing the path for real daddy. But, hey! That wasn't enough! No, sir! So, now we have two girls with the history of being raped/molested.

And you are right about one thing: I also wouldn't like for an author to change the story because of fans but this is no longer a story - this is a joke. And I would advise people to play it just to see how more stupid this can become.

I Actually do get your point about the light hearted romance turning darker. I just think people are overblowing what happened and are losing their marbles. My point about TDF, was to illustrate that there are much worse things that can happen to characters in a game then what happened to Haley, that was relatively mild in comparrison.

Regarding her calling the MC "Daddy". Personally, for me the "daddy" pet-name is extremely irritating. It is irritating in any game I play. I did not like it in Depraved Awakening and I do not like it in Haley. But I realise, that that is just my personal preference. So it's an irritation that I live with, when playing adult games containing this. It was irritating for me before the last 2 updates. I'm not reading any alterior motives into the whole daddy, since I did not like it in general.

The way I read it is much more simple. It's a playful name she calls him. The MC (like myself) tolerated it, but since he's annoyed with the Klaus story, it's grating on him and asks her to stop. Haley, being Haley, likes to annoy her brother and does not stop. Simple...that is how I read the whole "Daddy" thing. I think you are reading waaaayy to much into it.

So I just do not see the big deal about the last 2 updates. Haley has some skeletons in the closet, she brought it up in an inappropriate time. She keeps being evasive about it, possible feeling guilty about while being the victim.

TLDR; I understand people feeling upset about the change in pace and the darker turn of the game, but for me it just made the game more interesting.

 

[vir_cotto]

Despite one of the devs telling you the exact opposite not that many posts ago.

Haley's Story is a complete work. You've only seen part of it. Go read the first chapter of The Lord of the Rings. It's a lighthearted comedic novel about those silly Hobbits, right?

It's not. Or you probably didn't read LotR?
And I don't care what dev said - I care what he showed. And all I see is a big pile of...

I know you don't grasp how dominance and submission work, but for someone who does it was all quite plain and easy to understand from the beginning.

Oh, I wasn't aware you know me? Where exactly we met? Are you writing my biography?
And, no - that's not dominance and submission game - that's a girl who fucks brother while dreaming of father - real or Klausian.

Who's the second one? Provide a quote from the game, please.

v "\" What?\""
p "\" Like abused them.\""
p "\" You think....\""
p "\" And you want to rip their head off but....\""
v "\" She should really be more discreet.\""
p "\" What?\""
v "\" My niece.\""
p "\" What?\""
v "\" She shouldn't have told you.\""
p "\" Tell me what?\""

You're welcome.

 

[apnea111]

 

[Segnbora]

It's not.

The point went whooshing right past you, didn't it?

And I don't care what dev said

I know. You will stubbornly cling to your preferred illusion whether or not he tells you that you're wrong.

that's not dominance and submission game

It's not a "game," which again demonstrates that you have no idea what you're talking about, and yes it absolutely is.

that's
v "\" What?\""
p "\" Like abused them.\""
p "\" You think....\""
p "\" And you want to rip their head off but....\""
v "\" She should really be more discreet.\""
p "\" What?\""
v "\" My niece.\""
p "\" What?\""
v "\" She shouldn't have told you.\""
p "\" Tell me what?\""

This is why I question your ability to interpret text. What in this extract makes you conclude that Sandra must have been raped? I mean, she could have been — a lot of women have — but the MC didn't mention rape and neither did Victor. Why would Adriana know whether or not Sandra was raped? She encourages the MC to talk to Victor, not Sandra. Why would Victor's response to Sandra being raped be "she should really be more discreet"? Why do you conclude that whatever they don't finish talking about refers to Sandra? Are you sure it doesn't refer to Victor? In what language does "abused" always mean "raped"? You don't know any of these answers. None of us do.

 

[vir_cotto]

The point went whooshing right past you, didn't it?


I know. You will stubbornly cling to your preferred illusion whether or not he tells you that you're wrong.


It's not a "game," which again demonstrates that you have no idea what you're talking about, and yes it absolutely is.


This is why I question your ability to interpret text. What in this extract makes you conclude that Sandra must have been raped? I mean, she could have been — a lot of women have — but the MC didn't mention rape and neither did Victor. Why would Adriana know whether or not Sandra was raped? She encourages the MC to talk to Victor, not Sandra. Why would Victor's response to Sandra being raped be "she should really be more discreet"? Why do you conclude that whatever they don't finish talking about refers to Sandra? Are you sure it doesn't refer to Victor? In what language does "abused" a synonym for "raped"? You don't know any of these answers. None of us do.

Yeah, it must be Victor. That's why Victor thought MC is upset about his background story and MC is in love with him and want to avenge him...

You know, in fact, whit how poor this story-writing is, I wouldn't be surprised even with that.

 

[Segnbora]

Yeah, it must be Victor.

Victor couldn't have been the one who was abused? Victor couldn't know someone else who was abused without it being Sandra? Sure, maybe it was. And maybe it wasn't. You have no idea.

 

[vir_cotto]

Victor couldn't have been the one who was abused? Victor couldn't know someone else who was abused without it being Sandra? Sure, maybe it was. And maybe it wasn't. You have no idea.

Oh, ffs, read fucking code!

MC "\" And you want to rip their head off but....\""
Victor "\" She should really be more discreet.\""

If MC wants to rips someone head off - after just talking about abuse - who would Victor think MC is talking about? That old lady down the street? Mailman? Or his niece, ffs!

 

[Segnbora]

Oh, ffs, read fucking code!

MC "\" And you want to rip their head off but....\""
Victor "\" She should really be more discreet.\""

If MC wants to rips someone head off - after just talking about abuse - who would Victor think MC is talking about? That old lady down the street? Mailman? Or his niece, ffs!

Learn to read words. Victor isn't referring to Haley. You don't know what he's referring to, other than that the word "abused" triggered it. Here's what Victor said in that exchange:

"[My niece] should really be more discreet. She shouldn't have told you."

Told him what? You don't know. The MC doesn't know. No players know. This is another of your private illusions.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Learn to read words. Victor isn't referring to Haley. You don't know what he's referring to, other than that the word "abused" triggered it. Here's what Victor said in that exchange:

"[My niece] should really be more discreet. She shouldn't have told you."

Told him what? You don't know. The MC doesn't know. No players know. This is another of your private illusions.

The "Shouldn't have told you" could be anything. Insert what fit your narrative

Don't be to hard on vir_cotto , nightmares of Mr Morden keep him up at night

 

[Segnbora]

At least until that whole head on a pike thing.