VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Walter Victor]

Sexual relationship? relationship implies consent between two or more partners. Was she not taken advantage of and exploited? I find it hard to believe that a 15 year old girl would engage in a sexual relationship with a man nearing 50 years of age who also happens to be her teacher.

I don't know what else to call it. When talking about two human beings, a relationship is by definition any connection between them. Was it rape? As far as I'm concerned it was. But it if happened over any period of time (which we don't really know yet), it was a relationship (certainly sexual), and according to Haley a consensual one. Of course she was too young for consent. But certainly Haley would describe it as a relationship.

Are you really telling me that in real life that 15-year-old girls never have sex with older male teachers? Some over long periods of time? Anything and everything that can happen of a sexual nature... happens.

 

[Blablablafapper]

and according to Haley a consensual one

It's called Statutory rape look into it. Are you forgetting what Victor told MC? She (Haley and Sandra's mother after it happened) already has her own story made up. It's a coping mechanism for what really happened to her. It's why Victor recommends MC get Haley some professional help. What Haley thinks happened and what really happened are two completely different things

Yes they do but never with their own consent. I can't recall 15 year old girls with consent getting into sexual relationships with male teachers who are 3 times their age.

 

[Nulldev]

Sexual relationship? relationship implies consent between two or more partners. Was she not taken advantage of and exploited? I find it hard to believe that a 15 year old girl would engage in a sexual relationship with a man nearing 50 years of age who also happens to be her teacher.

Are you sure?

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[xjimsladex]

It's called Statutory rape look into it. Are you forgetting what Victor told MC? She (Haley and Sandra's mother after it happened) already has her own story made up. It's a coping mechanism for what really happened to her. It's why Victor recommends MC get Haley some professional help. What Haley thinks happened and what really happened are two completely different things

Yes they do but never with their own consent. I can't recall 15 year old girls with consent getting into sexual relationships with male teachers who are 3 times their age.

What if it turns out that Haley drugged and raped her teacher? Or blackmailed him into having sex with her?

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[ImperialD]

wow people it's just a game , it's not real life ...

 

[HandofVecna]

Sexual relationship? relationship implies consent between two or more partners. Was she not taken advantage of and exploited? I find it hard to believe that a 15 year old girl would engage in a sexual relationship with a man nearing 50 years of age who also happens to be her teacher.

Happened at my HS. Can think of at least four girls off the top of my head.

 

[randos belgados]

tbh, I was avoiding sandra as much as i can from the beginning. expecting romance story with mcs sister. but the game forces mc to be her bf and mc keeps flirting with his sister on her back. now after the suddenly rushed daddy issue story while mc fucks her, gives bad taste in my mouth.

its haleys story, not haleys (incest) story. according to the tittle, its still possible to avoid incest and go with sadra as an alternative route. but seems like the patrons think otherwise.

aynway, im playing this game for free. not expecting they changed the route either

 

[FAP369ZONE]

Just found about this game but i have a question...

It does not seem that hard to be able to do this so i'll just ask, is it possible to edit game files (or just create a non-incest patch, i tried some things like it's done in other ren'py games but it does not seem to work here) ourselves so we can change relations between mc and haley if yes i would appreciate if someone could share info on how to do that, thanks.

 

[Walter Victor]

It's called Statutory rape look into it.

I know exactly what statutory rape is, without looking into it. I would have expected a more respectful response from you, however.

To me, statutory rape is rape. Period. It's not forcible rape, but it is an older person taking advantage of someone too young to handle the situation. But it is a LEGAL term, where the girl is not considered to have sense enough to give permission (consent). It does not have anything to do with whether the girl did or did not actually give permission (consent) to the act.

Are you forgetting what Victor told MC? She (Haley and Sandra's mother after it happened) already has her own story made up. It's a coping mechanism for what really happened to her. It's why Victor recommends MC get Haley some professional help. What Haley thinks happened and what really happened are two completely different things

You obviously have not paid attention to my previous posts. This is exactly what I have been arguing since release v0.55.

Yes they do but never with their own consent. I can't recall 15 year old girls with consent getting into sexual relationships with male teachers who are 3 times their age.

Legally, the girls are not old enough to give consent. That's why it is called 'statutory rape'. Yet actually, in these cases, consent IS given. Anyone old enough to express oneself can give consent to something. A person does not have to 18 to have the ability to consent. Two-year olds are perfectly capable of consent. Ask one if it wants a piece of candy.

Certainly, Haley gave her consent. Until now, she does not realize that she was being manipulated, but she DID give her consent. If she had been forcibly raped, I doubt that she would be reacting as she is now.

I don't remember how old the three girls in question were, but there certainly were plenty of rumors about them with the orchestra director of my high school, a man whose daughter was in that orchestra; so considerably older than the girls. Probably just rumors, but no one who spread them or heard them, said that it was impossible, not while I was around. But just because you have your anecdotal evidence from your recollection of your school, doesn't mean it NEVER happens elsewhere, or even that it didn't happen at your school.

 

[Walter Victor]

Just found about this game but i have a question...

It does not seem that hard to be able to do this so i'll just ask, is it possible to edit game files (or just create a non-incest patch, i tried some things like it's done in other ren'py games but it does not seem to work here) ourselves so we can change relations between mc and haley if yes i would appreciate if someone could share info on how to do that, thanks.

The scripts (.rpy files) are downloaded with the game, so editing is possible by anyone, but what you want would be tedious. There is no single code that defines their relationship. 'Sister' and 'Brother' are hardcoded throughout the game. And even if you went through each script (there's one for each release) to make those changes, how would you handle Mom and Dad? Every conversation that even refers to them would have to be altered. Why does Mom treat them the way she does, if they are not all related? There are numerous sentences that slyly reference their parents and that relationship.

Good luck!

 

[MrDL]

I'm pretty sure that if their parents, especially the mom knew what went on with the teacher he'd been arrested unless she's a horrible person and parent, I don't think that's the direction this is going.

 

[goobdoob]

Sexual relationship? relationship implies consent between two or more partners. Was she not taken advantage of and exploited? I find it hard to believe that a 15 year old girl would engage in a sexual relationship with a man nearing 50 years of age who also happens to be her teacher.

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To me, statutory rape is rape. Period. It's not forcible rape, but it is an older person taking advantage of someone too young to handle the situation. But it is a LEGAL term, where the girl is not considered to have sense enough to give permission (consent). It does not have anything to do with whether the girl did or did not actually give permission (consent) to the act.

The problem with that is the age of consent differs in different jurisdictions. Say you have 2 lovers, a guy in his 50s and a girl who's 16. In New Hampshire they can get it on as much as they want. He only has to worry about getting shot by her father . Walk across the border into Vermont and it's rape.

If you want to throw in the teacher thing, in most states it's 18. Except for Washington, where it's 21. So the cross-border example works for Oregon and Washington.

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[mugizib]

Ah shit, here we go again...

 

[magus448]

The scripts (.rpy files) are downloaded with the game, so editing is possible by anyone, but what you want would be tedious. There is no single code that defines their relationship. 'Sister' and 'Brother' are hardcoded throughout the game. And even if you went through each script (there's one for each release) to make those changes, how would you handle Mom and Dad? Every conversation that even refers to them would have to be altered. Why does Mom treat them the way she does, if they are not all related? There are numerous sentences that slyly reference their parents and that relationship.

Good luck!

Only way I could stretch it to not be technically incest would be that they were childhood friends who had their respective parents get divorced and when they were adults, one pair of each others parents got married making them stepsiblings.

Almost the premise of Marmalade Boy, minus them not knowing each other beforehand and the other pair getting married to each other too.

 

[Walter Victor]

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The problem with that is the age of consent differs in different jurisdictions. Say you have 2 lovers, a guy in his 50s and a girl who's 16. In New Hampshire they can get it on as much as they want. He only has to worry about getting shot by her father . Walk across the border into Vermont and it's rape.

If you want to throw in the teacher thing, in most states it's 18. Except for Washington, where it's 21. So the cross-border example works for Oregon and Washington.

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That's a legal issue that I'm not really interested in for the purposes of this game. I want to know what happened, not whether or not it was/is legal in Vermont or New Hampshire. Until I know the facts better, I choose to refer to what happened to Haley as rape, if only to take the legal aspect out of it.

I only mentioned it because another poster brought it up in a response to me.

 

[Walter Victor]

Only way I could stretch it to not be technically incest would be that they were childhood friends who had their respective parents get divorced and when they were adults, one pair of each others parents got married making them stepsiblings. Almost the premise of Marmalade Boy, minus them not knowing each other beforehand and the other pair getting married to each other too.

Right, but would you even consider undertaking the task to completely rewrite this game to accomplish that? As I said, it would not be just changing some few lines of relationship code and adding some new intro. It's almost everything, all hardcoded.

It would be easier to write a new game.

 

[Canto Forte]

Please leave the miscreant misdemeanor prelude of a long hard stern deep and flimsy marriage
out of my Haley. Pretty please ... foul stories intended to tenderize the MC into pity sleep in/over/into/around/binge/buried into the bosoms of fantastic Haley are a drag!

 

[Ozel]

If you're not interested in incest, this really isn't your game. If you really want to go through and find every instance of MC and Haley calling each other brother and sister and change it to something else, you're more than welcome to do so, but would you really even want to play the game anymore after doing all that? I know I wouldn't want to touch it, but that's me, I suppose. *shrug*

 

[FAP369ZONE]

Right, but would you even consider undertaking the task to completely rewrite this game to accomplish that? As I said, it would not be just changing some few lines of relationship code and adding some new intro. It's almost everything, all hardcoded.

It would be easier to write a new game.

I just started this game and i'm like ~20 min playtime so if i end up to like this game enough (and when the game is complete ofc) i will edit everything, so challenge accepted LL

... unless there is an easier way to do this ofc

 

[Ozel]

I just started this game and i'm like ~20 min playtime so if i end up to like this game enough (and when the game is complete ofc) i will edit everything, so challenge accepted LL

... unless there is an easier way to do this ofc

Word processors usually have a "find and replace" function, where it will find all instances of a word you choose and replace it with a different word, I think? However, if you choose to use that feature on a word like sister, for instance, be careful doing that, because Victor mentions his sister sometime in the story (I think it was his sister, anyway?), and changing it to something else blindly may end up with that bit of the story making little to no sense. Not sure if any other characters have any brothers or sisters, but if you change the mom and dad to be something else and just replace all instances, it may make other character's talks about their parents make no sense, so just be careful taking that kind of shortcut.