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I just wanted to commend you for your patience Ozel.Each update contains a bit of both paths, so there is no need for labeling. I said that in my first reply.
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Cheers!
We're here to have fun, no point in getting mad about stuff. If this isn't the game for some people, oh well. Hopefully they'll find what they like somewhere on the forum.
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Rejecting Sandra is, I think, going to turn out to be the wrong choice. We'll see. I don't think a no-Sandra ending will be bad, but I think the ending will be "better" if you don't.
Yes, that's true. It doesn't at all matter what the actual victim of sexual assault wants. It matters what you want. Fuck her, amirite?
Thank god someone's monitoring your posts and their popularity. And I'm so glad it's you.
...and Haley is cured. Magic!
I'm sure Haley will appreciate your vigilantism when she's still in therapy at 50. And also, she's totally gonna wanna fuck you, because ICU. So hot.
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If Haley wants revenge or justice, great I say. If she doesn't then too bad, pedophiles who abuse their position to target little girls don't deserve to freely roam the streets. If you can't understand that then that's your problem buddy.
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Exactly. Fuck Haley and fuck what's best for her. What's so much more important is your manpain.
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LET IT GO!!LET IT goggggGGGGGGGGooo))oooooo0000000000OOOO!!!!!
IF HALEY COUD AND DID LET IT GO ... SHUT IT AND SUPPORT HER WELL BEING AWAY FROM THAT!
bEING AVENGERS AFTER THANOS KILLED COUNTLESS IS NARCISISTIC AND PETTY =>
STOP BEING SELFISH AND START TALKING ABOUT THE WELL BEING OF OTHERS
NOT YOUR PERSONAL RAMBO AGENDA!!!
THIS IS HALEY'S STORY AFTER ALL!!! LEARN TO RESPECT THAT!
gAME oN!
IF HALEY COUD AND DID LET IT GO ... SHUT IT AND SUPPORT HER WELL BEING AWAY FROM THAT!
bEING AVENGERS AFTER THANOS KILLED COUNTLESS IS NARCISISTIC AND PETTY =>
STOP BEING SELFISH AND START TALKING ABOUT THE WELL BEING OF OTHERS
NOT YOUR PERSONAL RAMBO AGENDA!!!
THIS IS HALEY'S STORY AFTER ALL!!! LEARN TO RESPECT THAT!
gAME oN!
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I'm purposefully pointing out that the only person whose needs matter in this situation is Haley.
Not the MC.
Not Klaus.
Not "justice."
Haley.
And yes, both iterations of "Haley."
Victim erasure at its finest.
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yeah no shit. Haley is obviously MC's first priorities right now. What I'm saying is Klaus's actions can't go unpunished weather Haley wants it or not, that kinds of how real life works.
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I know what you're saying. I'm explaining that what Haley wants is more important than punishing Klaus. If punishing Klaus revictimizes Haley, it's not worth it. Does Klaus need to be stopped from victimizing other girls? Certainly. But the MC's actions have to prioritize Haley's emotional health. "Real life" isn't a Rambo film. Sometimes victims need an unsatisfying form of closure. I don't know if (and I don't think) we'll get that here, but violence and retribution are unlikely to be the answer.
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I'm not sure why you're assuming I'm talking about violence but there are plenty ways to take actions against another while not resorting to violence. What if punishment doesn't revictimizes Haley and instead has the opposite effect? You're right in saying MC's actions have to prioritize her emotional health but eventually something is gonna need to be done regarding Klaus.
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What ever MC does about Klaus or Rutger or Thrumpf or what ever imaginary opponent MC needs to conjure up in order to play the white knight and show his valiant side to Haley is not Haley's story.
It becomes MCs story where he keeps trying to prove he is worthy to Haley despite her love 4 him.
This kind of selfish narcisistic attitudes drive people apart!
It becomes MCs story where he keeps trying to prove he is worthy to Haley despite her love 4 him.
This kind of selfish narcisistic attitudes drive people apart!
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You haven't, and I didn't mean to suggest you had. I was responding to a bunch of posts there. Others have definitely endorsed violence in the same cluster of posts. But it's all part of the meta-narrative of retribution and "great vengeance and furious anger" mindset, and it's wrong.
Yes, and it's up to Haley to figure out what that is. The entire point of this plotline is to get Haley to be the one to decide Klaus' fate. Not the MC. Not some external actor. Healing comes from Haley saying, "okay, this is what I want..." If that's the MC punching Klaus, then okay. (Although not, because the MC's then going to jail for a while and that's drama this game doesn't need.) But not until that's what will help Haley heal.
Exactly. It's not the MC's story. It's not the "MC wreaks vengeance on Haley's enemies" story. This isn't "Die Haley With a Vengeance."
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Okay...time for me to play devil's advocate here.
Okay, it's Haley's Story, however that does not mean that all of the endings are necessarily happy ones. I would submit that violence is all too often used to solve such problems in real life. If we are to embrace the notion that only Haley's opinion matters on the subject, we would have just moved on and ignored the situation with Klaus ever happened, because that's what Haley wanted. The problem is the MC is guiding the story, so if we can ignore her wishes about Klaus it also means that an option for violence isn't outside the realm of possibility.
THAT SAID...I wouldn't be surprised if violence is used as a solution to the problem that the MC be arrested and jailed resulting in a bad ending. Then you reload from a previous save and make different choices (like not resorting to violence). Trying different options in games is part of the fun.
Okay, it's Haley's Story, however that does not mean that all of the endings are necessarily happy ones. I would submit that violence is all too often used to solve such problems in real life. If we are to embrace the notion that only Haley's opinion matters on the subject, we would have just moved on and ignored the situation with Klaus ever happened, because that's what Haley wanted. The problem is the MC is guiding the story, so if we can ignore her wishes about Klaus it also means that an option for violence isn't outside the realm of possibility.
THAT SAID...I wouldn't be surprised if violence is used as a solution to the problem that the MC be arrested and jailed resulting in a bad ending. Then you reload from a previous save and make different choices (like not resorting to violence). Trying different options in games is part of the fun.
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You're twisted! People like him need to be dealt with not to impress some girl but to rid our world of them and to show others what will happen if you act like them.
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Well, Haley's opinion matters far more than anyone else's over whom the MC has influence. The problem to be solved right now isn't Klaus, it's Haley. Haley needs to understand what was done to her, that whether or not she initiated it (or just remembers it that way to help her get through it) it's still a crime, that Klaus needs to experience consequences, and that she not only needs to have a major voice in the form of those consequences to keep him from doing it again, she needs that voice and that role to help her get over the trauma.
Victim erasure.
It's not about "impressing some girl," it's about helping a victim of teenage sexual assault face and then address that trauma. Whether or not she's your lover, Haley is your twin sister and she needs help, not testosterone-laden revenge fantasies written by thirteen year old boys with anger management issues.