Segnbora

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Victor's easily my favourite.
Victor's definitely my favorite non-core character (the core: Haley, Sandra, and the MC). He's been written with such confidence (I mean on the part of the devs) from the very beginning.

His bf (sorry forgot the name)
Simon.

Sandra started to annoy me a bit half way through, but seeing her get out of her shell gradually and her chemistry with Haley is very endearing and feels (for the lack of a better word) "organic".
Adriana's storyline was unexpected, but welcome.
Both Sandra's and Adriana's character arcs have been wonderful. It's one of the very best things about this game: people actually change.

her calling the MC "Daddy" when they first got intimate raised some red flags on the father's part
Haley's a sexual submissive, though not someone who needs it 100% of the time. To be precise she's a submissive brat. That's where "Daddy" comes from. She tries yet again to get the MC to indulge her desire in the latest release, and yet again he fails to understand it. But you're forgetting that she had — and technically still has, which is something that will have to be addressed since he's about to visit — a boyfriend. That's her third.
 

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/edit: somebody please let me know if this had been better posted in the review section
I know I (for one) am glad to read what new players have to say about the game... especially if it is favorable. ;) Perhaps though, for people who might just be considering the game, posting this under a review might be helpful to them. I always read the latest reviews of any game I am considering. I may go counter to what is written, but I at least have some idea of what certain people think about the game.

Oh yeah, Haley's third lover is Jack, her soon-to-be-ex-boyfriend.
 

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I know I (for one) am glad to read what new players have to say about the game... especially if it is favorable. ;) Perhaps though, for people who might just be considering the game, posting this under a review might be helpful to them. I always read the latest reviews of any game I am considering. I may go counter to what is written, but I at least have some idea of what certain people think about the game.

Oh yeah, Haley's third lover is Jack, her soon-to-be-ex-boyfriend.
Jack is the second, MC was the third.
 

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Jack is the second, MC was the third.
Of course, if you are going in chronological order. But neither the original poster nor I were concerned about chronological order. I was responding to a poster who had mentioned two of Haley's lovers (Klaus and the MC), but also speculated about someone for the third lover. Hence, my use of 'third'.
 

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I dumped Sandra ASAP tbh. She was an annoyance to the real story anyway.
Huh, well in my playthrough, MC broke it off with Sandra too, but it wasn't because I don't like the character. I liked her quite a lot actually. She is easily one of the most attractive women in the game. It's clear that the artist liked her very much. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems that she is rendered with great care and attention to details. Her personality is is also engaging. I was okay with her holding off on sex for awhile. I've known enough women like that in my life who turned out to be worthwhile waiting for. I've also been involved with more than a fair share of women with psychological issues as well. When her OCD was revealed, I had a facepalm moment: Fuck! I can't even avoid the "crazies" in the games I play! :cautious: So that wasn't a deal-breaker. The only real red-flag for me was when she was promoted to an out of town office and couldn't make time for her boyfriend on her first weekend back. Ultimately though, in my mind, MC didn't break up with her for that either. His relationship with Haley was getting clearer and more serious and he was ready to start trimming some of his entanglements. The lack of availability was a convenient excuse.

I guess I understand if she isn't somebody's cup of tea, but I hope that other players would consider giving her a chance. She's definitely a slow-burn character. However, I have a feeling that patience could pay-off. Remember she says early on that she is down for "just about anything" if it's with the right person. That coupled with the sheer beauty of her renders could be nice path.

Cheers!
 

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She is easily one of the most attractive women in the game. It's clear that the artist liked her very much.
Absolutely stunning.

I have a feeling that patience could pay-off. Remember she says early on that she is down for "just about anything" if it's with the right person.
I have no evidence for this other than a gut feeling, but having pursued both the solo Haley and Sandra plus Haley routes my gut tells me that the potential triad is the path to the "best" ending. I have plenty of saves, though, so we'll see.

hm.... still no final / complete tag yet?
I have no idea when the devs plan to stop, but there's still plenty to do if they wish. Klaus has to be dealt with, Haley's trauma has to be addressed, the issues between Haley and her Mom have to be solved, the MC and Haley have to decide what they're going to do about their relationship, they really need a proper office, and that's just for starters. In terms of relationships with other NPCs, the only ones that need resolving are Jack (gotta break up with him), Diane (are you or are you not going to keep having sex with her?), Adriana (are you going to keep having sex with your boss?), and Sandra (obviously a major relationship) if you're still on their routes; Lisa's not involved enough with the MC to need a resolution (though I think most players would like to see one anyway) and Alana's still just a fuck buddy. In terms of sex there's still plenty the MC and Haley haven't done. Especially, aside from a brief spanking, the stuff Haley keeps begging for.

On the other hand, I usually think story-heavy games end too soon — "OK, we checked off the anal box and had the threesome; time to wrap it up!" — so it's possible my preferences don't reflect other's.

cant wait to play sandra only route without bugs and error
You're never going to get a Sandra-only route. You're always going to be with Haley for a big chunk of the game. It's possible you might get a Sandra-only ending, but we'll have to see.

There are no bugs or significant errors now, or at least I can't recall any.
 

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Absolutely stunning.


I have no evidence for this other than a gut feeling, but having pursued both the solo Haley and Sandra plus Haley routes my gut tells me that the potential triad is the path to the "best" ending. I have plenty of saves, though, so we'll see.
Huh, clearly I have not messed around with the choices nearly enough. I wasn't under the impression that such a triad was even hinted at . . . Dammit, now I have to replay unless I still have an early enough preSandra breakup save . . .:unsure:

Also, I wondered if sexy time might be possible with Adriana, but it hasn't shown up in my play through yet . . .
 

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I wasn't under the impression that such a triad was even hinted at . . . Dammit, now I have to replay unless I still have an early enough preSandra breakup save . . .:unsure:

Also, I wondered if sexy time might be possible with Adriana, but it hasn't shown up in my play through yet . . .
Adriana remains a possible beard if that's the way the game's going to go. There are pleny of opportunities to have sex with her prior to the current situation, though not all of them actually result in sex...

But people gave up on Sandra way too early. She really did change. She still has her OCD and such, but the game solidly justifies it and allows her to grow. And if you're on the Sandra + Haley route the triad is already in development.

This (not you) is sorta representative of my objection to so many respondents. "Sandra's so annoying; couldn't wait to kick her to the curb." Well, maybe you misjudged her. Especially when it turns out that her OCD is entirely related to the same sort of trauma that Haley suffered. And when she comes back she's pretty much the most devoted and loving girlfriend ever. One who's already willing to make out a bit with Haley.
 
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You're never going to get a Sandra-only route. You're always going to be with Haley for a big chunk of the game. It's possible you might get a Sandra-only ending, but we'll have to see.
It's finished. We managed to deal with the animation issues. Hopefully it was worth it.
The story in this one is split into 2 completely different branches. One without Sandra and one with. So, if you're wondering where that, or the other scene is, It's on the other branch.
Android will be released a little later.
This is the first major branch in the game so far. There will be more in the future.
Also, we're trying to make a walkthrough. We think that will be ready next week.
That's it. Hope you enjoy it.
i think you're right, i didnt read the dev notes carefully.
guess cant ignore haley in this game.
welp. i think im done with haley. but still looking forward if the dev have another game without sudden "issue". im not against "daddy issue" itself, but least gives player some clue on the way.
 
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Am I the only one who's guessed that the plot twist ending has everything to do with Haley having actually been abused by the father and not by this Mr. Klaus person? I mean.... what kind of mother severely distances herself from one of her children like that? Answer: a mother who's threatened by competition. The mother found out and hates her daughter for her "poor judgement". If she had been abused by the teacher, Mom woulda been rallying the troops, not gunning down the victim. Haley regularly refers to the MC as "Daddy" even though he regularly protests against it. Mr. Klaus and this step-child are a red herring for the audience. She was abused by Dad and that's why she isn't talking about it.

Edit: If this actually becomes true, I'll turn it into a spoiler.
 

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Can't remember but the mom doesn't hate Haley, right? I thought she just favors the MC.
 

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Am I the only one who's guessed that the plot twist ending has everything to do with Haley having actually been abused by the father and not by this Mr. Klaus person?
Here's why I don't think so:

1) As you note, Haley has a good relationship with her father. With Klaus she's tried to take the blame herself, tried to ignore the issue, gotten angry at her brother for bringing it up, she was very clearly disturbed when she met Other Haley, she's still rattled whenever her brother tries to talk about it, she was never going to contact a therapist herself, and she wasted an entire therapy session by being Haley at her most evasive. Whereas she's obviously quite happy, even eager, to spend time with her father.

Haley's calm and balanced around people she doesn't feel threatened by: her brother, Lisa, Sandra, Diane, Victor, Simon, and her father. The only other time we've seen her act like this was when Adriana was being so hard on her; even though she was disgusted by Adriana's husband she actually planned to seduce him just to get back at her boss, which is an obviously insane idea.

That's a pattern of behavior. Klaus clearly rattles Haley, and I doubt it's because she hated math.

2) How her mother could "know" about Klaus (though we don't yet know if she does, or if so what she knows) and not do something about it remains an issue to be addressed. But it's not very difficult to justify: Haley begging and pleading with her mother to keep it secret, because the alternative — everyone knowing what happened — in what looks to be a fairly small town would've been doubling down on her trauma. Now, in the real world I'd of course say that something should've been done anyway...if for no other reason than to stop him from doing it to someone else...but this is fiction and the author gets to write the history. In any case, this is another delicate storytelling beat and they'll have to work hard to justify the decision.

Whereas I absolutely can't see their mother, at least as she's currently characterized, staying with a man who abused her daughter. She certainly wouldn't countenance Haley cuddling up to him on the sofa while watching soccer. That would make her an accomplice to...even an enthusiastic supporter of...the abuse, and that's an insane leap of logic vs. what we've been shown. Even if it was just about some nutty concept of competitiveness she'd be trying to keep Haley and her father apart. She doesn't. Not once.

So no, I don't think there's any chance that it's her father who's the true abuser.

Finally, "Daddy" is a D/s thing. Bog-standard terminology. That her brother doesn't get it is mostly because he doesn't crave it like Haley does. The best he's been able to do so far is use it for a little bit of play. Haley wants something much more intense, but unless he makes an earnest attempt it's probably not going to happen.

I think people conflate Haley's submissive brat persona and her desire to be dominated with the fact that she also has a complicated relationship with father figures. If her Mom's been treating her this way for a long while (whether or not Klaus was involved) and thus her only sources of emotional support were her father and her brother, that's part of it. Reread her early fantasies about her brother and it's clear that back then, even though they were the same age, she envisioned him in a protective and paternal role. Add Klaus to that mix and it's no surprise that she has "daddy issues," but that's not what's making her call her brother "Daddy" when she's trying to induce him to chain her to the bed and do naughty things.
 
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I don't think the parents know. Mainly because Haley seems to have rationalized it away. Even when she told the MC about it, she was saying as if she took the first step and called him a "lover."
 
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