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I believe if you are looking for a scene where Haley has sex with any guy other than the MC, you will be greatly disappointed.
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Some game have pretty good Audio.
Not sure if all the tracks are legal, by the soundtrack of New Coral City is very very good.
It 100% get's you in the different moods of the game for the different locations.
The music in HS was not done well. It was random and out of place. I'm still giving it a chance...very low volume
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If anything, Haley corrupted MC and is in the process of corrupting Sandra.
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I'm on the Haley only path... It's my canon path (This is how much I love her character. I currently also have Lisa, since I liker her personality and loyalty to Sandra, but I there is a hint of conflict with Haley, I will drop her as well.)You won't be able to get there in Ep5, unless you 'volunteer for the position' in Ep3 (Adriana-Richard/MC-Haley double date)
So unless you volunteered, you'd have to go almost back to the beginning
Once the game is completed I'm going to do a Sandra Haley path and a Andrea path.
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I was thinking exactly the same thing as I typed my earlier response.
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Agreed 100% all the "aggression" ,pardon the pun, in the relationship comes from Haley.I was thinking exactly the same thing as I typed my earlier response.
There would be no relationship if Haley did not pursue it. The first time they had sex, the super date, pretty much everything that moves the relationship forward is coming from Haley's side.
I'm not even on the Sandra path but when I still played it, it was all Haley Manipulating everything.
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I've been saying for a long time that even though you're "playing" her brother, Haley's the actual MC of this game. Which makes sense, since it's right there in the title and everything.
I understand the various reasons why the devs didn't do it that way, but to be honest I'd kinda like to see that game. One wouldn't even have to change all that much. She could keep him all to herself or push him (and later perhaps herself) into whatever other relationships she finds interesting/amusing/potentially helpful. She could choose just how much D/s play they engage in. She could choose to be kind or cruel to her ostensible boyfriend, breaking it off early or stringing him along indefinitely (with the potential consequences that might ensue). And, to be honest, it would be a lot more interesting if she got to choose whether to keep bottling up the Klaus experience, attempt healing strictly via therapy, or call in the sharp knives. Haley making the latter choice is both more consequential and more emotionally resonant than her brother doing it; from him it's still intervening in a way she's not yet ready to accept, much less approve.
The one real advantage to making her brother the MC (other than the fact that there are people who won't play female protagonist games...which makes me sad, but oh well) is that she gets to be more of a cipher and reveal information and feelings on a schedule out of her brother's control. It makes her a more intriguing and beguiling character.
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Victor introduces the MC to Sandra (at the squash courts) in the very first release of this game and the MC takes an immediate interest. Later (when Victor and Alana fail to show up), Sandra and the MC play squash together, and things grow from there. At that point, Haley doesn't even know that Sandra exists. When she does, while Haley doesn't interfere with that romance, she teases the MC mercilessly about Sandra idiosyncracies. When things start getting serious between Sandra and the MC, Haley accepts it, but it's only at the time that the game splits into two routes that Haley begins her campaign of manipulation. Up until that point, Sandra is just another LI for the MC that Haley accepts to be able to stay with the MC.
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Exactly. Haley only turns her wiles on Sandra when she becomes the potential partner/third/beard/whatever she's going to be. Everything before then is her subtly (and sometimes not-so-) enticing her brother, like the time by the pool.
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If the developers had made Haley the MC of this game, then what difference would there be from all the other female-protagonist games out there? Would I play such a game? Probably. I already play a bunch of them. But I don't see how the relationship between the two of them would have improved. On the contrary, the uniqueness of the way this game has been crafted is what has drawn me to it, like a moth to an inferno.
Does anyone have a save for 0.93? I just downloaded and added the incest patch and I'm hitting the "An exception has occurred". Any idea what to do?
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Honestly, you're revealing yourself as part of the problem.
The story would've been the same story. Haley's long-simmering desire for her brother. Pushing him towards other women because she's still struggling with putting her feelings into action. Letting him amuse himself because the full intensity of her feelings is beyond her ability to cope. Finally making her feelings clear but pointing out that it can't affect his romantic life. Acting on her desires but acknowledging that they can never be public. Hiding their relationship from everyone. Encouraging him to sleep with someone/others to hide their relationship. Trying to turn those other sexual relationships into something that can hide theirs.
What's the difference between that and the story we've gotten? Zero percent difference.
Do you really think that's how most female-protag games work? Because give me the links, then. Most of the ones I've played are Bambi in Lechertown.
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Most female MC's are not very smart (to put it nicely) in order for them to be blackmailed, corrupted, raped and who knows what else. They aren't story drivers, they're used for fetish content. Haley on the other hand is really smart, she is the one pulling the strings in almost every situation during the game.
Haley's past situation with Klaus would fit in nicely in most female MC games. Old creeper manipulating a young girl to be his sex-thing. But Haley in the current timeline is moving past that, and is growing as a character.
This game, with Haley as MC, wouldn't be any different than it is now. Everything would fit seamlessly, all you would need to do is make new scenes for when there are MC-only scenes and Haley wasn't around.
Haley's past situation with Klaus would fit in nicely in most female MC games. Old creeper manipulating a young girl to be his sex-thing. But Haley in the current timeline is moving past that, and is growing as a character.
This game, with Haley as MC, wouldn't be any different than it is now. Everything would fit seamlessly, all you would need to do is make new scenes for when there are MC-only scenes and Haley wasn't around.
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Dual POV, no question. We have to see her brother's sex scenes.
But yes, you're completely correct. All the brother's sex is guided by Haley, in the Haley-is-the-MC version of the game. It's not hugely far from the current version anyway. But Heley's not gonna get abused or corrupted or raped (except for Klaus) in this story. Haley's the one pulling the strings. As she is in the current version. We'd just "hear" her doing it.
When it comes to Klaus, we'd have the requisite flashback scenes — they have to be vague, given content restraints (and, actually, it'd be better if they were no matter what) — and they start a few chapters before the revelation. Super-vague, no one can posslby guess what they are. (Except that some people will.) Then the big revelation. And you're also right that Haley is very, very different from most female protags in this scenario. The Haley in the game (vs. the Haley of the past) has agency, and though she may be traumatized and hiding things (or worse) she's fully capable of making her own choices. She's not gonna go back to Klaus or anyone who's not her brother. She's a one-man woman who can't be corrupted, save perhaps by a revenge fantasy. She just has to get past the corruption and trauma in her past so she can love her brother without restriction.
And then that's the story.
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And just what part of which problem am I exactly? EDIT: Could we possibly converse without insulting one another?
One problem with your scenario would be the overwhelming temptation to turn the game into 'Bambi in Lechertown', which is exactly what the idiots who show up here on occasion want.
The major difference would be that in this game we see Haley through the MC's eyes. We don't know what is going on in her head. We can only surmise by what she says and what we see that she does. We do not even see her if the MC is not there. Change that around and you have a completely different story without the suspense we have now as to what Haley will do. If we know what Haley thinks, the suspense greatly diminishes. And where is the suspense about the MC, except for the 'Bambi in Lechertown' aspects. I mean, we now really care about what happens with Haley, but would we have the same concern about the MC in your version? I seriously doubt it. We would still care about Haley, but it would be exactly the same as following the 'faithful' route in one of those female-protagonist games.
Otherwise, this is an absurd 'what if' discussion that has no merit, since it didn't and never will happen.
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yeah i love Haley alot .. and hope everything she does works out for her and me .... i mean the MC
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Sure. Explain how reversing the POV of this story makes it no different "from all the other female-protagonist games out there." I'm just switching the POV, not turning Haley into a fuck-whoever character.
Honestly, you're layering so very many layers of trauma onto what I said.
I want to tell the very same story. From Haley's POV. There's no Bambi in Lechertown there. There's Haley in love with her twin brother and slowly discovering her ability to turn his libido to her advantage. And then finally conquering him. And then what happens after. The person you don't know is no longer Haley, it's her brother.
As I said, it somewhat diminishes Haley's character. On the other hand, it greatly enhances her brother's intrigue and mysteriousness.
How could you think I meant anything else? After so many zillion words?
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Because, as I wrote above, it becomes every other female-protagonist story that has a 'faithful' route. There are dozens of them. It becomes Elena's Life, where Elena turns down all advances, and stays true to her fiance. That one comes immediately to mind without checking my notes. But I know that others abound, because I've played them.
I still say that half the fun in this game is not knowing what is going on inside Haley's head. Make her the MC, and we lose most of that. And with Haley as the MC, how many of us would give a damn what is going on in her brother's head. He's a male. We already know what's going on there regarding his hot, twin sister. Of course he would be reluctant, as he is now. But the same things that Haley did in the current game would work in that one. What you would need to do to make it work would be to add some trauma to his past to give him a fucked-up psyche, as was done here with Haley, and make Haley the more stable personality. And I still wouldn't care as much as I do now, with Haley as she is.
You have carefully, over the months, developed a (quite accurate it seems) comprehensive theory of Haley's persona. With her as the MC, it would be handed to you on a silver platter. Would it be as interesting for you to do that for her brother, with Haley as the MC?