Walter Victor

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Sure. Explain how reversing the POV of this story makes it no different "from all the other female-protagonist games out there." I'm just switching the POV, not turning Haley into a fuck-whoever character.
Because, as I wrote above, it becomes every other female-protagonist story that has a 'faithful' route. There are dozens of them. It becomes Elena's Life, where Elena turns down all advances, and stays true to her fiance. That one comes immediately to mind without checking my notes. But I know that others abound, because I've played them.
I want to tell the very same story. From Haley's POV. There's no Bambi in Lechertown there. There's Haley in love with her twin brother and slowly discovering her ability to turn his libido to her advantage. And then finally conquering him. And then what happens after. The person you don't know is no longer Haley, it's her brother.
I still say that half the fun in this game is not knowing what is going on inside Haley's head. Make her the MC, and we lose most of that. And with Haley as the MC, how many of us would give a damn what is going on in her brother's head. He's a male. We already know what's going on there regarding his hot, twin sister. Of course he would be reluctant, as he is now. But the same things that Haley did in the current game would work in that one. What you would need to do to make it work would be to add some trauma to his past to give him a fucked-up psyche, as was done here with Haley, and make Haley the more stable personality. And I still wouldn't care as much as I do now, with Haley as she is.

You have carefully, over the months, developed a (quite accurate it seems) comprehensive theory of Haley's persona. With her as the MC, it would be handed to you on a silver platter. Would it be as interesting for you to do that for her brother, with Haley as the MC?
 

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Because, as I wrote above, it becomes every other female-protagonist story that has a 'faithful' route. There are dozens of them. It becomes Elena's Life, where Elena turns down all advances, and stays true to her fiance. That one comes immediately to mind without checking my notes. But I know that others abound, because I've played them.
I ask again: where is there the slightest suggestion in my swapped-MC proposal that Haley's going to have sex with anyone else? There isn't one. Anywhere. That's all in your head based on internalized assumptions derived from other female-protag games and, as I said, the very core of what makes me sad...because you seemingly can't comprehend that there can be a female-protag game in which she's not the hapless (or willing) victim of sexual predators. The story I'm talking about is still Haley's Story. It isn't Haley's Journey into Sexual Decadence. it's still about Haley wanting her brother and doing whatever it takes to have him. Including letting him fuck other women, first because she's hesitant to make her move, and then later because she needs the emotional cover, and then finally because it's the way they can actually be together. It's the exact same story.

I honestly don't know what message or proposal you're responding to, but it certainly wasn't anything I wrote.

You have carefully, over the months, developed a (quite accurate it seems) comprehensive theory of Haley's persona. With her as the MC, it would be handed to you on a silver platter. Would it be as interesting for you to do that for her brother, with Haley as the MC?
But no. That would be terrible writing and that's not how it would go with similarly competent writers. The game wouldn't put Haley's entire internal narrative on the screen while they're unloading the van and moving into the apartment. It would still parcel it out in bits and pieces. The only information you'd get a little bit earlier and with more clarity is that she's in love with her brother, but even that could be partitioned and rationed (and in any case it was obvious from the beginning, even in this version of the game, that she and her brother had a sexual and romantic energy beyond mere sibling affection; that journey is incredibly easy to replicate if you switch POVs). The Klaus trauma is still Haley's. It gets "teased" earlier, in flashes during nightmares or scenes that remind her of the trauma, and finally comes out in a rush of confession. Hopefully, since this really was an instance of terrible writing on the devs' part, not immediately after they've finally given in and had sex.

I disagree with almost literally every single thing you've written, but since it's not the game as it exists it's not worth arguing about. Except that you've sorta proven my point: there is a subset — a large subset, unfortunately — of players whose conception of of female characters as agency-free sexual conquests or victims is so concretized that they can't shake it and conceive of them as narratively and emotionally unfinished avatars for the player to, uh, "fill in." That's why we can't have Haley's Story as a Haley-POV game, even though it is. Still, one of the clever and stealthy strengths of the game is that it's making people who think that way play a female-protag game anyway, because she's the driver of 90% of the plot and it's all right there on the screen. Anyone who thinks they won't play a female-protag game and plays Haley's Story has been tricked. Deliciously so.
 
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Already seemed like it, considering the content currently available. The story is in its advanced stages. Thanks btw.
 

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That's all in your head based on internalized assumptions derived from other female-protag games and, as I said, the very core of what makes me sad...because you seemingly can't comprehend that there can be a female-protag game in which she's not the hapless (or willing) victim of sexual predators.
Please do your best to stay out of my head. You probably wouldn't like what you find, but it's not what you are assuming here.

So you finally revealed what you were accusing me of earlier: that I think females in porn games are hapless victims and/or foolish bimbos. That could not be further from the truth. Nor would the changing of any female from an LI to an MC change my thinking. Why the hell do you think I play this game and defend it so vigorously? Because, while Haley is not the MC, you are correct, she is the main focal point around which everything surrounds. If I thought as you are suggesting, I would be pushing for Haley to have sex with other people. Anyone who has read my posts responding to people who actually suggest that, would know how ridiculous that is. Haley may have been victimized, but she is certainly not hapless, nor was she willing. Nor do I want her to go 'bimbo'! In fact, if she does in any unavoidable form, I shall join the ranks of the ex-supporters.

In the game you project, the brother is pretty much a cipher. At least now he's a necessary plot device. In yours he just becomes an object, and his laconic nature would be even more off-putting than it is now. In the current game, Haley is the prototypical damsel-in-distress, beloved by artistic creators and their followers since there have been artistic creators and followers. The MC is her savior and protector, and is striving mightily to fulfill that role, and has been since day one. In your game, the plot would revolve around Haley trying to persuade the brother to fulfill that role. That's backasswards. Perhaps it would work as a comedic farce. I prefer the melodrama that we have.
 
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Isn't it time a mod came along to cool you guys down? Every decent, popular game has these OT wars which need to go off-board (Discord?) or agree to disagree. I think all porn would look better with no penises in it, but that's a minority opinion
Let's look at something nice and relax ...
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Victor introduces the MC to Sandra (at the squash courts) in the very first release of this game and the MC takes an immediate interest. Later (when Victor and Alana fail to show up), Sandra and the MC play squash together, and things grow from there. At that point, Haley doesn't even know that Sandra exists. When she does, while Haley doesn't interfere with that romance, she teases the MC mercilessly about Sandra idiosyncracies. When things start getting serious between Sandra and the MC, Haley accepts it, but it's only at the time that the game splits into two routes that Haley begins her campaign of manipulation. Up until that point, Sandra is just another LI for the MC that Haley accepts to be able to stay with the MC.
That's not really how I remember/see it. Ok for the first part (Victor introducing Sandra), but then, it's more Sandra who hits on the MC, offers him to play squash, invites him to her birthday, takes him apart, eats the chocolate on his mouth. And all along, the MC does not give any clue he understands what's going on, being more a spectator than an actor. And on the other side, it's Haley who pushes him to bring flowers to Sandra's birthday, and then enlightens him that Sandra eating food that was on his mouth was *maybe* a sign she's hitting on him, and he should probably ask her out. After that, it's again Haley who push the MC to offer Sandra sunscreen, is surprised if you chose not to stay fir Sandra's first sex scene, etc.
After that, she's also the one who push that Sandra stays at their home during the week-ends, invites her at their parent's home,...
And even in the last update, it's again her who almost makes the MC (sort of) propose to Sandra[, pushing always further their relation.
 

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Please do your best to stay out of my head.
Since it doesnt seem to be connected to reality, I'm happy to steer away.

I wrote this:

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You interpreted that as me wanting a Bambi in Lechertown game. Viz:

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I honestly don't understand how you could possibly get that from what I wrote. I want the same game but with Haley as the MC. (I actually don't versus the game we have, but it'd be interesting in a theoretidcal world to see that game.)

So you finally revealed what you were accusing me of earlier: that I think females in porn games are hapless victims and/or foolish bimbos. That could not be further from the truth.
Again, here's what you wrote: "If the developers had made Haley the MC of this game, then what difference would there be from all the other female-protagonist games out there?"

I don't actually think you believe this. I never have. I was shocked that you typed it. I truly believe that you didn't mean it and would take it back.

But if you actually believe it, then it's revelatory. Haley's Story told via Haley is the same story, just with different mysteries.
 
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Since it doesnt seem to be connected to reality, I'm happy to steer away.

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You interpreted that as me wanting a Bambi in Lechertown game. Viz:

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I honestly don't understand how you could possibly get that from what I wrote. I want the same game but with Haley as the MC. (I actually don't versus the game we have, but it'd be interesting in a theoretidcal world to see that game.)


Again, here's what you wrote: "If the developers had made Haley the MC of this game, then what difference would there be from all the other female-protagonist games out there?"

I don't actually think you believe this. I never have. I was shocked that you typed it. I truly believe that you didn't mean it and would take it back.

But if you actually believe it, then it's revelatory. Haley's Story told via Haley is the same story, just with different mysteries.
Stop it! Just stop this off-topic nonsense!
 

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Great game. In some sex scenes the game freezes for a few seconds and sometimes closes on its own. With other games it doesn't happen this. I dont know what happens xD
 
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Great game. In some sex scenes the game freezes for a few seconds and sometimes closes on its own. With other games it doesn't happen this. I dont know what happens xD
that's the Ptolemy fingerprint. Happens in other of his games.
 
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Played through again and I still love this game.

The writing is great and feels natural, most of the time. It feels like people.

I adore Haley and Sandra. I think the biggest flaw this game has if forcing romance options on you, but in this case, it works because I love both girls so much.

And, while I enjoyed the models before, I looked at much more this time around... and one of my favorite things, visually, in this game, is Haley's hair. It's just truly gorgeous.

I love the slow burn build up with Haley. I love how your relationship with Sandra builds without you petulantly pushing for sex. I love the friendship that develops between the girls, and the genuine frustration and guilt over how what they're doing might hurt Sandra, and how Haley chooses to try to slowly bring Sandra in, and in the process you see her fall in love with her too.

This game suffers from being a bit to linear, and for forcing love interests, but makes up for it with the character development and writing.

I sort of wish that you could go for being Diane's friend WITHOUT going FWB first, and cheating on Sandra, even if it was a one time thing, but I'm glad you have the option to end that relationship while maintaining your friendship with her, and making your two girls your focus.
 
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Avoidable. Which is nice, because a lot of games just force you to fuck everyone and I fucking hate it.
Well that changes things, I'm gonna have to give this one a play now. Interracial just does absolutely nothing for me and at least this game doesn't have the absolute death tolls that are massive tits and an MC that's a rapist. Edit: Interracial isn't the issue really, it's the black superiority shit that bothers me.
 
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Walter Victor

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Well that changes things, I'm gonna have to give this one a play now. Interracial just does absolutely nothing for me and at least this game doesn't have the absolute death tolls that are massive tits and an MC that's a rapist. Edit: Interracial isn't the issue really, it's the black superiority shit that bothers me.
You are just going to love the gay, black boss, then!
 
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