VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Segnbora]

I think people often forget that this isn't "Haley's Brother's Story," this is "Haley's Story."

Whatever her path is, that's the story the devs meant to tell. Players only have the MC's agency (which isn't much; this is much more a story than it is a game, even though we have two branches and are probably about to acquire a third), but the actual main character of this story isn't the MC or the player, it's Haley.

I've said this before, but if I was helming this game I'd embrace the fact that their relationship is doomed and break them up no matter what as the canonical ending. Thereby making everyone hate me and ruining any chance I had to write another game in a way even more permanent than Dr.PinkCake. But I'd be secretly thrilled.

Fantasies aside, though: an ending in which they go their separate ways is very adult and very logical and I hope the devs include it as a possibility.

 

[preglovr12]

Fantasies aside, though: an ending in which they go their separate ways is very adult and very logical and I hope the devs include it as a possibility.

They're in a relationship to begin with, I feel we're well past the "realism" barrier, and that's ignoring Haley seemingly actively trying for a baby. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but seeing where we're at now I highly doubt the game goes that route unless it's a "bad end."

 

[Ariostebaldo]

Fantasies aside, though: an ending in which they go their separate ways is very adult and very logical and I hope the devs include it as a possibility.

This is a game, not real life! This is exactly about fantasy and a happily ever after! Who wants real life should read a newspaper not a visual novel!
Not complaining, just giving my opinion...

 

[Segnbora]

They're in a relationship to begin with, I feel we're well past the "realism" barrier, and that's ignoring Haley seemingly actively trying for a baby. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but seeing where we're at now I highly doubt the game goes that route unless it's a "bad end."

Pregnancy is obviously a likely outcome, and since we've rarely been given a choice I think it's a likely one. I'm perfectly happy for it to be a "bad end," but it's a realistic end and a non-fantastical game would at least consider it. I won't think less of the devs if they don't include it, of course, but if we're accumulating Haley points and then shedding them (which, given the script, we can) I'm not sure why unless a "bye, bro" ending is within the realm of possibility.

This is a game, not real life! This is exactly about fantasy and a happily ever after! Who wants real life should read a newspaper not a visual novel!

I agree with you, but "Haley's Story" has always been about treating incest seriously. In "real life" this is a very, very difficult path to tread and a story that recognizes that is better than almost anything else in its genre.

 

[Walter Victor]

Fantasies aside, though: an ending in which they go their separate ways is very adult and very logical and I hope the devs include it as a possibility.

I understand what you are saying about separating as lovers being a good outcome in a real-world situation, and even acceptable (by a few) in porndom. But seeing how closely tied together they are, and how much they rely on each other, I can't see how them being completely separated would be anything but a tragedy, ruining both their lives. I can see them moving on with other partners, but not severing their familial bonds completely. I doubt that even successful therapy would result in that severance, nor should it.

Regardless, I don't see separation of any kind being portrayed as anything but a 'bad ending' in this game.

 

[Segnbora]

I can't see how them being completely separated would be anything but a tragedy

I don't think it would "ruin their lives," but I agree it would be a tragedy.

Please think about their relationship rationally. From a real-world perspective, I mean. She was raped by a teacher and now she's fucking her brother. If you saw that on the news you wouldn't think that those crazy siblings should end up together, happily ever after.

I want the game to have happy endings and I assume it'll be dominated by them. It should be. But in a real world setting this would never, ever end well. And a truly mature story (by which I don't mean a sex game, which has no obligation to be mature) would include that possibliity.

Again, if I was writing this game it would go on a very long time with the only "winning" path being taking on Sandra as a beard and then convincing her to be in a threesome with Haley. Or maybe Adriana. Either way, the default condition would be breaking up the twins, because they can't possibly still be together when Pajama Dad confronts them. The player would have to work to change that outcome.

But this isn't that game. I don't know what the Haley points are actually for, but "happily ever after" isn't it.

 

[preglovr12]

I want the game to have happy endings and I assume it'll be dominated by them. It should be. But in a real world setting this would never, ever end well. And a truly mature story (by which I don't mean a sex game, which has no obligation to be mature) would include that possibliity.

In a real world setting it's damn near impossible we'd be where we are in the game. One crazed, guilt-ridden trip to the bone zone with your sister that views you like a father figure? I can see that happening. Waking up the following morning and starting a relationship? Yeah, no. Same thing with the incest babies, we're well beyond the pale here.

All I'm trying to say is there's a big gap between a "realistic" and "real" take on incest, this game is very much the former. Hoping for a "real" outcome just seems like headcanon.

 

[Segnbora]

All I'm trying to say is there's a big gap between a "realistic" and "real" take on incest, this game is very much the former. Hoping for a "real" outcome just seems like headcanon.

It's true that a truly realistic take on incest is probably impossible within the context of a sex game. Ptolemy's love of bearding is great and hot and all, but in reality this ends in chaos and disaster.

That said, I still insist that HS treats something seriously that most such games don't. It at least attempts to forge a semi-realistic path for a brother and sister who are fucking each other. No one sleep-raped anyone. There were no drugs or amulets or crystals. How others react to them is actually considered.

Playing this game requires accepting the idea that a brother and sister can have a sexual relationship because that's its core. Once one has accepted that, it's still reasonable to view plot details as realistic or otherwise. It's like any sort of speculative fiction; if we accept that there are Hobbits and magic rings, here's the story. Is the story that follows acceptably realistic in said context? That's the task for the writer(s).

 

[bobdillan]

"It's done."

Me: not gonna lie though.... I wanted to watch

 

[Segnbora]

So...in this case is the MC Captain America, Thor, or giant Ant-Man?

 

[bobdillan]

So...in this case is the MC Captain America, Thor, or giant Ant-Man?

MC is Thanos..... Cause dealing with klaus puts a smile on his face

 

[ZTex]

So...in this case is the MC Captain America, Thor, or giant Ant-Man?

Judging by how the ladies talk about him...Ant-Man.

 

[bobdillan]

Judging by how the ladies talk about him...Ant-Man.

no no, in context of the comment MC is Thanos

The analogy works pretty well too, because he is kinda balancing things.... as they should be

 

[UncleFredo]

Some of the threads here adopt the position that Haley's relationship with the MC is causally related to her abuse at the hands of her teacher. While that opinion is certainly made possible by the story line, it is hardly necessary to understanding their relationship, nor does their interaction strongly support it. Of course neither does their relationship deny it. While there remains the possibility that we may get confirmation one way or the other as Haley progresses through her therapy, at this point it's pure speculation.

What is not speculation is that the love shared between Haley and the MC has grown over their shared lifetime. They loved each other long before either became sexually self aware. Twins, whether identical or familial, share a bond like no other. The possibility that such a bond could develop into an intense love both sexual and emotional is quite believable.

The possibility of a mutual ride into the sunset for a happy ending is dependent on either Haley or the MC seducing a beard into the relationship to provide cover, or the willingness of Haley and her brother to end ties with mom and dad. There is little doubt that Haley and her brother are willing to walk away from mom and dad if that is their only alternative. To avoid that we have the dual paths of Haley's seduction of Sandra into a threesome and the MC's seduction of Adrianna into an arrangement that is more practical where she gets what she wants and possibly will allow the MC to be with Haley as well.

The authors will take the story wherever they choose. We are just along for the ride. We, the readers/players, have never had the agency to abort the storyline. Whether white knight or dickhead whatever his flaws, Haley passionately loves the MC without condition all the same. The MC loves her in exactly the same way.

Given a shared unconditional love that has shaped their relationship for their entire lives, what pretexts are available to the authors to break them up? One or both could die. Depending on what the pupster did to Klaus the MC could end up in prison. The therapist could "help" Haley to see that her relationship with her brother is destructive and she ends it. It's worth pointing out that therapy doesn't work like that and there is nothing dangerous nor destructive about the relationship. Either of them could "meet someone" who sweeps them off their feet and cause him/her to abandon the sexual aspects of their relationship. Since neither of them are remotely available for a relationship with a third party, other than as a beard, that seems improbable in the extreme.

The authors, to some extent, have written themselves into a corner. Either they resort to a cheesy plot device, or Haley and her brother find a way to remain together. As I said the ending(s) is/are not up to us. We're just along for the ride and what an enjoyable ride it has so far been.

 

[Walter Victor]

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Again, I don't have much to report. Everything will be on time

See you on Friday.

Viit

 

[extreme_sadist]

WOW...can we just take a step back, n realize we're all just playing a VN GAME...NOT dealing w/"reality", so we can get 2 fapping. play, fantasize, cum, move on...it's really not complicated, so relax. n i don't get referring 2 Sandra as a "beard"; what does that mean? n google couldn't tell me what a "pupster" is...

P.S. btw, brothers n sisters CAN have a happy n functional relationship, even 2 the point of getting married n having kids. not only have there been numerous documented cases in the news in western society, but it's actually an accepted part of the societal n cultural norm in many eastern society cultures...n u don't have 2 take my word 4 it, just ask google

 

[HornyyPussy]

WOW...can we just take a step back, n realize we're all just playing a VN GAME...NOT dealing w/"reality", so we can get 2 fapping. play, fantasize, cum, move on...it's really not complicated, so relax. n i don't get referring 2 Sandra as a "beard"; what does that mean? n google couldn't tell me what a "pupster" is...

P.S. btw, brothers n sisters CAN have a happy n functional relationship, even 2 the point of getting married n having kids. not only have there been numerous documented cases in the news in western society, but it's actually an accepted part of the societal n cultural norm in many eastern society cultures...n u don't have 2 take my word 4 it, just ask google

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[Walter Victor]

WOW...can we just take a step back, n realize we're all just playing a VN GAME...NOT dealing w/"reality", so we can get 2 fapping. play, fantasize, cum, move on...it's really not complicated, so relax. n i don't get referring 2 Sandra as a "beard"; what does that mean? n google couldn't tell me what a "pupster" is...

P.S. btw, brothers n sisters CAN have a happy n functional relationship, even 2 the point of getting married n having kids. not only have there been numerous documented cases in the news in western society, but it's actually an accepted part of the societal n cultural norm in many eastern society cultures...n u don't have 2 take my word 4 it, just ask google

Pupster has already been explained to you, but a 'beard' is a 'disguise' or 'mask'. In this game (and a few others), that 'mask' is a relationship excuse that the MC can enter into that also allows Haley to be in close contact with him, i.e. Sandra (or Adriana, or whoever). It is a way to portray an abnormal relationship as a normal one to the outside world. One of the developers used 'beards' in his first game to disguise a similar brother-sister relationship. He has apparently ported that plot device to this game.

The same developer is the one who has the game with 'the pupster' as the MC of that game. He was used here, with a couple of other characters from that game as a crossover event. It only occurs, though, if you accept Victor's help.

 

[extreme_sadist]

Pupster has already been explained to you, but a 'beard' is a 'disguise' or 'mask'. In this game (and a few others), that 'mask' is a relationship excuse that the MC can enter into that also allows Haley to be in close contact with him, i.e. Sandra (or Adriana, or whoever). It is a way to portray an abnormal relationship as a normal one to the outside world. One of the developers used 'beards' in his first game to disguise a similar brother-sister relationship. He has apparently ported that plot device to this game.

The same developer is the one who has the game with 'the pupster' as the MC of that game. He was used here, with a couple of other characters from that game as a crossover event. It only occurs, though, if you accept Victor's help.

my apologies, obviously i don't remember, otherwise i wouldnt've asked. n what game r u referring 2 where the pupster is the MC?

 

[HornyyPussy]

my apologies, obviously i don't remember, otherwise i wouldnt've asked. n what game r u referring 2 where the pupster is the MC?

It's called "Alexandra" read my earlier respons to your post