VN Ren'Py Abandoned HardLove [v0.5] [RedStarStudios by INFRos]

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FISHMA

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bad fathers only need minutes to ruin a daughters life but in some cases stockholm syndrome kicks in and the abused looks to the abuser for guidance,may explain daughter maybe not but try to put yourself in her shoes-you fight, flight or submit
In all fairness, you are making up excuses for poor writing. This is what people do when trying to explain why Rey is the best Jedi ever without training. Yes, Stockholm Syndrome is a real thing, but it also does not develop overnight. It's not a virus she contracted overnight, it's a warping of one's way of thinking, that requires time to develop.

The story and writing has been poor from the start. I actually kind of like the game just for being different, and covering bases no one else was covering, but let's not blow smoke up everyone's butt. Bad writing is bad writing.

Hint: if you're a good artist and a good writer (or one of these things and know someone who is the other), here's some tags that could use your expert services!
 

RSSINFRos

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In all fairness, you are making up excuses for poor writing. This is what people do when trying to explain why Rey is the best Jedi ever without training. Yes, Stockholm Syndrome is a real thing, but it also does not develop overnight. It's not a virus she contracted overnight, it's a warping of one's way of thinking, that requires time to develop.

The story and writing has been poor from the start. I actually kind of like the game just for being different, and covering bases no one else was covering, but let's not blow smoke up everyone's butt. Bad writing is bad writing.

Hint: if you're a good artist and a good writer (or one of these things and know someone who is the other), here's some tags that could use your expert services!
I know I have a lot of work to do and a lot of things to learn, it takes time HL and my previous games are all written in the moment, I'm using some of my time to write stories so when HL will be finished I will have pre-written stories, that should be better because I will read the final product and not only some versions
 
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mojhozjain

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Yeah, I updated a fixed version. But still it's weird, I remember that i changed the label of dayfour.rpy to dayfour0 and then i ctrl+s as always, also the Lint check should say if there are two same label! (I checkd right now, it says an error that' I never had lol)
Don't worry, shit happens. Thank you for your work.
 
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Ginji

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In all fairness, you are making up excuses for poor writing. This is what people do when trying to explain why Rey is the best Jedi ever without training. Yes, Stockholm Syndrome is a real thing, but it also does not develop overnight. It's not a virus she contracted overnight, it's a warping of one's way of thinking, that requires time to develop.

The story and writing has been poor from the start. I actually kind of like the game just for being different, and covering bases no one else was covering, but let's not blow smoke up everyone's butt. Bad writing is bad writing.

Hint: if you're a good artist and a good writer (or one of these things and know someone who is the other), here's some tags that could use your expert services!
the post was made in response as to why the daughter becomes so submissive so quickly-i dont need to make excuses or blow smoke anywhere.i offered a possible explanation that is all,try reading the post in the context to which it was made :)
 

FISHMA

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I know I have a lot of work to do and a lot of things to learn, it takes time HL and my previous games are all written in the moment, I'm using some of my time to write stories so when HL will be finished I will have pre-written stories, that should be better because I will read the final product and not only some versions
Glad to see you practicing anyway, and since I haven't made a game, I can't throw stones. Looking forward to future updates.
 

instancabile

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nice... I saw the italian phrase... maybe you miss it. but the idea is nice and the story is ok... maybe building more the crazyness will be more belivebale... but still It was fun and ok. if you need some help in rendering let me know
 

VexedOni

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i was expecting a slow (not so slow like in some games) development on the corruption/abusing of the daughter but... the girl suddenly likes it? and acts on it?.... give it a bit more phase maybe? where we can experience how the mental illness of the father is slowly destroying his family (first the daughter then the mother)...
 
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DA22

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i was expecting a slow (not so slow like in some games) development on the corruption/abusing of the daughter but... the girl suddenly likes it? and acts on it?.... give it a bit more phase maybe? where we can experience how the mental illness of the father is slowly destroying his family (first the daughter then the mother)...
Remember as with all games we step into the story at a moment of the devs choosing. Dad has already had 18 years before to make the daughter dependent upon him and groom her, consciously or unconsciously. Now with good writing dev will intimate it or show that indeed, but it is up to dev and the point of developments of the story how much buildup it needs. Of course he could have started the story when daughter was born and show all events and things that happened why she turned out the way she did, but that would be kind of boring in a porn oriented game and emotionally much harder likely for us to accept what happens in the game. :p
 

RSSINFRos

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Remember as with all games we step into the story at a moment of the devs choosing. Dad has already had 18 years before to make the daughter dependent upon him and groom her, consciously or unconsciously. Now with good writing dev will intimate it or show that indeed, but it is up to dev and the point of developments of the story how much buildup it needs. Of course he could have started the story when daughter was born and show all events and things that happened why she turned out the way she did, but that would be kind of boring in a porn oriented game and emotionally much harder likely for us to accept what happens in the game. :p
I will try to give a sense to all of this, from the next game I will start with a "Start to End" story, for now I have to figure out how to work this, I have a couple of ideas but I'm not sue if everybody would like them. Now I'm writing the Day Four, but I'm not sure of it until I finish the writing (hope less than 4/5 days), I've arleady wrote a day-line and cancelled it, now I'm writing another one, this game it's the first with a mine only story, Forceur had a input from some people, Sleep has the story from a third-part, the only input I got in HardLove was from my best friend who helped me with some scenes ideas!
 
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DA22

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I will try to give a sense to all of this, from the next game I will start with a "Start to End" story, for now I have to figure out how to work this, I have a couple of ideas but I'm not sue if everybody would like them. Now I'm writing the Day Four, but I'm not sure of it until I finish the writing (hope less than 4/5 days), I've arleady wrote a day-line and cancelled it, now I'm writing another one, this game it's the first with a mine only story, Forceur had a input from some people, Sleep has the story from a third-part, the only input I got in HardLove was from my best friend who helped me with some scenes ideas!
Just one tip, if you make a game like this always think about the characters first, what is their motivation to get into the story you want to tell, what are the reasons in their characters that make them react and act how they do. Give them the backstory you need to make them consistent characters that make sense with the story you wish to tell and then let that story flow from there from the moment you want to step into the game. :)
 

RSSINFRos

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Just one tip, if you make a game like this always think about the characters first, what is their motivation to get into the story you want to tell, what are the reasons in their characters that make them react and act how they do. Give them the backstory you need to make them consistent characters that make sense with the story you wish to tell and then let that story flow from there from the moment you want to step into the game. :)
Thanks I will follow the tip for sure, for the other plot I'm writing I have a list of all character and their personality ecc...
But still I'm happy that I'm getting better reviews and that I did this story-writing "mistake", beacuse if I make mistakes and I notice that they are mistakes I will get better! This has been a long year, I hope the next year at this time I will have better games!
 
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FISHMA

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So, incest is forbidden on Patreon and this is not?
I don't think that this site or any for that matter should condone or promote violence.
So, you oppose any website about movies, literature and modern music, right? Not a fan of Avengers or Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, or historical documentaries or dramas, or (I could go on forever.)

Violence exists in all forms of media and artistic expression, even music. Partaking in media or art, hosting it, even enjoying it, does not "condone or promote" violence.
 
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