Again im not 100% sure, but i think if you have done her quest, and talked to Mercalius after the attack, she should just show up in the Grove.
But,sadly you cant finish her quest anyway.
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But,sadly you cant finish her quest anyway.
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Yes, its another of the uncompled quests, hope the development will resume..
Also, if tied to Mercalius, or, better said, should be based on the quest completed ?
Not to sure since I tried to look all over then gone to complete the remaining content.
Also, if tied to Mercalius, or, better said, should be based on the quest completed ?
Not to sure since I tried to look all over then gone to complete the remaining content.
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Based on Ker's history of health issues, and considering we're now coming up to a full year since not just the last update, but also any sign of activity from Ker, I'm 99.9% sure that Harem is, sadly, dead in the water
All I hope now is that Ker is okay
All I hope now is that Ker is okay
I really hope he's still alive at least. It would be awesome if it was just a year of writer's block and then he's back...
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So... it's been a year and it doesn't seem ker is going to come back. R.I.P Harem. But before I drop it from my hard-drive I'm going to replay it one last time - to remember the wild ride that Harem was. Any of you fine men of culture have the Legate+ version with bonus scenes that you'd be willing to share? At this point it probably won't see the light of day otherwise and I'd guess there are some nice scenes we're missing.
Sadly i belive you are right, but just imagine the feeling when he uploads a new version.
It would probably make my whole year very awesome
It would probably make my whole year very awesome
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Yeah it definitely had a lot of potential. And honestly for a while I missed it too. But nowadays the h-game market is way larger than it used to be when Harem came out and there are some real gems out there. And more importantly there are great games that are not only good but also being constantly updated. Harem to me is a game from a time when porn-games - especially with any form of 3D art were rare and so their authors were treated sometimes almost like idols or primadonas and could afford not to update for half a year without loosing Patreon supporters or risk being called out on it by the community because everyone was just super-happy to see them release something/anything at all.
Some of the authors from that time are still around - like Fenoxo, cMac (who's working on Spell4All) Flamecito or BBBen but most have abandoned their projects and never finished it. Like Lilith's Device or Coceter's Chronicles or ker's Harem. And sure it's sad to see those great ideas abandoned - but I have to say if Harem released in 2020 I probably wouldn't even download it (and I'd miss on a great story) because the 3D art is extremely basic and the game is a slow-burn RPGM.
And one last thing that needs to be said of those who stayed around and are still releasing game - they changed and they've grown. And all of them have shown patience and dedication. They've shown they can keep updating their games at a reasonable pace and they can stick to it through thick and thin. And that is in my opinion more important than just a cool idea/story - even though Harem's story was one of the best and still holds up even today. So even though I do like ker's game - if I had the money to support a game - it wouldn't be Harem.
Some of the authors from that time are still around - like Fenoxo, cMac (who's working on Spell4All) Flamecito or BBBen but most have abandoned their projects and never finished it. Like Lilith's Device or Coceter's Chronicles or ker's Harem. And sure it's sad to see those great ideas abandoned - but I have to say if Harem released in 2020 I probably wouldn't even download it (and I'd miss on a great story) because the 3D art is extremely basic and the game is a slow-burn RPGM.
And one last thing that needs to be said of those who stayed around and are still releasing game - they changed and they've grown. And all of them have shown patience and dedication. They've shown they can keep updating their games at a reasonable pace and they can stick to it through thick and thin. And that is in my opinion more important than just a cool idea/story - even though Harem's story was one of the best and still holds up even today. So even though I do like ker's game - if I had the money to support a game - it wouldn't be Harem.
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What a beautiful post. I totally agree that it harkens to a different era. I'll fondly remenber it with some nostalgia, but as you said, there are vastly better games out there now; although i would say his was a valiant effort
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Oh I agree. I'd say it was almost a Herculean effort on ker's part. But what I feel ker needed and what most modern game creators have is a team of people around them. Almost every h-game I actively follow has a Discord and a community. With mods keeping some semblance of order. With topic dedicated to fan-art that boost's both the creator's mood and his desire to keep working because they can see how important their work is for others.
Also many authors colab with other writers. And coders. And 3D artists. Ker did his game fiercely solo. Not wanting anyone's help. And in my humble opinion - that was one of the key factors that made Harem fail. He was over-working himself and although it gave us a great story - it was noticeably affecting his physical and mental health and - crucially for Harem his creativity.
Only a very small number of people can self-motivate themselves to keep up solo creative work going for months and years and there is absolutely no shame in admitting that you're not one of them. I know with absolute certainty that I am not one of them. And that's why having a team that can help motivate you, that can keep up working when you are ill, that can communicate with fans and send you their love and well-wishes is incredibly important and incredibly underestimated. And in my opinion - it's crucial for the success of a h-game.
And sadly Ker never decided to embrace it. I'm not judging him or saying he was a bad author for it - no way. He was a great author and kept going for admirably long time. I'm just a little bit sad wondering what could've been...
Also many authors colab with other writers. And coders. And 3D artists. Ker did his game fiercely solo. Not wanting anyone's help. And in my humble opinion - that was one of the key factors that made Harem fail. He was over-working himself and although it gave us a great story - it was noticeably affecting his physical and mental health and - crucially for Harem his creativity.
Only a very small number of people can self-motivate themselves to keep up solo creative work going for months and years and there is absolutely no shame in admitting that you're not one of them. I know with absolute certainty that I am not one of them. And that's why having a team that can help motivate you, that can keep up working when you are ill, that can communicate with fans and send you their love and well-wishes is incredibly important and incredibly underestimated. And in my opinion - it's crucial for the success of a h-game.
And sadly Ker never decided to embrace it. I'm not judging him or saying he was a bad author for it - no way. He was a great author and kept going for admirably long time. I'm just a little bit sad wondering what could've been...
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I've got to stop discovering things before they reach completion.
Getting real sick of checking for an update of something I was into only to find it's been abandoned.
Getting real sick of checking for an update of something I was into only to find it's been abandoned.
That's actually not the case. Ker had additional writers and various other people working with him (I can't remember what all, but I remember specifically at least some of the writing and some of the recent battle redesigns were done by others.) Some of them have posted in this thread before. Thanks largely to them, we know Ker's medical issues were quite serious, which is likely the reason Harem seems to be no more.
During the first phase of Harem's existence, you'd probably be right. I don't remember him working with anybody before Patreon and the adult game boom, and while it's been a while I vaguely recall him not being happy with the game's state being one of the things mentioned that caused him to go silent for a long while before returning to make the game into its current form.
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Fair enough. I didn't know about it and I remember originally (before the relaunch) that was definitely the case. But I don't think he really built a community around the game in a way most modern games do that would allow him to keep everyone up to date with what was going on. Like if the author any of the games I currently follow was about to drop out - or even have dropped out - I'd know about it. There would be posts, credible info, there'd be a donation drive to help the author out of a tough sport - or info about a tragic event and a polite demand to give them time to grieve - it wouldn't be one random guy writing on the game's blog page "So uhmm you guys who support him on Patreon - do you know what's actually going on?" after 3 months without any new release and getting no real answer.
It might be just my frustration mixed with resignation but honestly following Harem was like a Russian roulette. Every release I'd get hyped for the game and my waifus of choice and I'd have to remind myself to keep my expectations down. To not really care because what I'm playing might be the last release before he goes silent for another 2 years. Or forever. And we'll never know why. Or if he plans to come back. And it just crushed most of the enjoyment I was getting from the game...
It might be just my frustration mixed with resignation but honestly following Harem was like a Russian roulette. Every release I'd get hyped for the game and my waifus of choice and I'd have to remind myself to keep my expectations down. To not really care because what I'm playing might be the last release before he goes silent for another 2 years. Or forever. And we'll never know why. Or if he plans to come back. And it just crushed most of the enjoyment I was getting from the game...
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its such a shame because i really enjoyed this game and theres not many like it
I guess we can make a fan-made ver but the story needs to be rewritten for copyright point and we don't know the true end but are likely can keep the NPC name and face and the ring or just have a fan-made ver of all the NPC long dead and we find the ring and it tell us the mc story up to this ver of this game but I will not feel right doing that without dev saying yes to it
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Semantics Surprise surprise motherfucker. You're talking about me (and a few others). I've posted here before and I wrote for the game between 2016 and 2018. Most notably the Fiona storyline and large segments of the Chapter 5 trial sub quests and the post-trial material. Also a smaller but still decent chunk of Chapter 6. I left because I couldn't split focus between it and larger projects.
So, could the remaining writers and coders who worked with Ker continue the project in his absence? Probably not.
Most if not all of the writing collaborators on the project worked on smaller segments of side content, and not on the main material. In fact, Ker did not give his former staff any kind of roadmap that would let people follow his vision. Any writers picking it up now would be mostly doing the equivalent of official fanfiction.
None of us besides those tech side worked in engine so much. The games' repository still exists (presumably) but is untouched for a long time. I actually think this is the part that members of his team could replicate if they tried.
Furthermore, none of us did any work in 3dCG. Now, someone with decent computer knowledge could pick up the program or even find some of the materials he did. But, it's an old system and not so easy to just go into the way newer modeling programs are. Also, Ker was just a very experienced modeler. Made thousands of pictures over a decade of work. You can have the same tech knowledge, the same files at your disposal, and still make much worse pictures from lack of image composition in the medium sense.
Also, I've spoken to members of the team who still are active, and most agree that it wouldn't feel right. Some games with a team of people are a true team game. But, Harem IS Ker's game. It doesn't exist without him. There is just no desire to attempt to forge on without him.
All anyone can do is hope the man is okay and doing well wherever he is.
So, could the remaining writers and coders who worked with Ker continue the project in his absence? Probably not.
Most if not all of the writing collaborators on the project worked on smaller segments of side content, and not on the main material. In fact, Ker did not give his former staff any kind of roadmap that would let people follow his vision. Any writers picking it up now would be mostly doing the equivalent of official fanfiction.
None of us besides those tech side worked in engine so much. The games' repository still exists (presumably) but is untouched for a long time. I actually think this is the part that members of his team could replicate if they tried.
Furthermore, none of us did any work in 3dCG. Now, someone with decent computer knowledge could pick up the program or even find some of the materials he did. But, it's an old system and not so easy to just go into the way newer modeling programs are. Also, Ker was just a very experienced modeler. Made thousands of pictures over a decade of work. You can have the same tech knowledge, the same files at your disposal, and still make much worse pictures from lack of image composition in the medium sense.
Also, I've spoken to members of the team who still are active, and most agree that it wouldn't feel right. Some games with a team of people are a true team game. But, Harem IS Ker's game. It doesn't exist without him. There is just no desire to attempt to forge on without him.
All anyone can do is hope the man is okay and doing well wherever he is.
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Appretiate the update. Although I am sad that ker's gone for a long while now, his well being takes priority. Hope he returns sometime,
I just wanted to replay my old love-game... and now I am dead-worried about Ker and his well being.
Hope the man is okay.
Hope the man is okay.
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I know it is kinda silly to ask now, since game is kinda "dead"; but I am kinda confused with something. I am replaying the game after long time and decided to go the dark path. Now I just finished the attack on the Betans and when I speak to Daniele (hope i write the names correctly), she says that she punished Isabelle with cleaning or picking something around the moot. But when I go outside the castle, there is no sign of her anywhere? Is it bug....or am I missing something?