VN Ren'Py Heaven's Door [Ch. 3 v0.3] [AlterWorlds]

[Rehwyn]

There is one problem. I'm not sure that the author is a doctor. Also, I am sure that there are at least a few doctors among the players. We, as observers from the outside and influencing VERY indirectly, consider that the audience should receive direct information. The storyteller must tell us what happens to the protagonist in order to avoid omissions. For example, he could do this through one of the doctors dealing with the protagonist’s head. Or it could have been some kind of email from other doctors. But we have NONE of this. We see a schizophrenic who contradicts himself. And the only, most obvious explanation is bad text, and not medical terms and diagnoses.
The author can push his own tastes and okay, I don’t mind. But in this case, the character is simply poorly written.

Alternatively, like most writers advise, he chose to trust the reader to either figure it out from context or have patience for more details rather than immediately exposition dump en masse.

 

[Elduriel]

Again, this is no problem if the AI gives trivial information. The quote from Wikipedia has the same semantic weight. It just takes longer to search.

never said it was wrong, it just kinda gave me the same impression like when LLMs give answers to a question

 

[O1duvai]

Alternatively, like most writers advise, he chose to trust the reader to either figure it out from context or have patience for more details rather than immediately exposition dump en masse.

What do you mean by reader? Us, players? Quite the opposite, it doesn't end well. A good writer tells his own stories, which I may not like.No context needed. Just like with cinema, there is no need to leave room for speculation. A tool is given - to show, directly. Fuck these black holes, they only say that he himself doesn’t really understand what kind of person he’s describing.

That's why I give a bunch of options and still keep in my shoebox the hope that the character will stop being an asshole. Outside of brackets, being sure that it will only get worse.

 

[Rehwyn]

What do you mean by reader? Us, players? Quite the opposite, it doesn't end well. A good writer tells his own stories, which I may not like.No context needed. Just like with cinema, there is no need to leave room for speculation. A tool is given - to show, directly. Fuck these black holes, they only say that he himself doesn’t really understand what kind of person he’s describing.

That's why I give a bunch of options and still keep in my shoebox the hope that the character will stop being an asshole. Outside of brackets, being sure that it will only get worse.

What I meant is that it's very common writing advice to not overexplain or spell everything out and instead give readers enough detail and let them infer meaning themselves. And it's also incredibly common to leave some questions unresolved for a while. It's often better for pacing and usually results in writing that is more engaging and powerful.

 

[EdselPresley]

Gallery locked. How to unlock it?

Start a replay. While it's playing right click and go to gallery. All replays will be there.

 

[O1duvai]

What I meant is that it's very common writing advice to not overexplain or spell everything out and instead give readers enough detail and let them infer meaning themselves. And it's also incredibly common to leave some questions unresolved for a while. It's often better for pacing and usually results in writing that is more engaging and powerful.

Or, to a story full of holes and inconsistencies. About the same as now. And playing the game through Universal unlocker.

 

[Rehwyn]

Or, to a story full of holes and inconsistencies. About the same as now. And playing the game through Universal unlocker.

Inconsistencies like Hannah mentioning that MC is behaving not like himself, and then him actually acting with unusual behaviors and temperament, as you mentioned? Personally, her comment tipped me off that there's likely an underlying reason for unusual, inconsistent, or self-destructive behavior without the need for some doctor or email to explain it directly in exposition.

A harem game is going to almost always require some suspension of disbelief, and I can certainly understand differing opinions about how well that gets pulled off.

But as for MC acting like someone recently diagnosed with a terminal illness, considering all the other research done and how easy it is to find relevant info, I'm sure that research was done as well, and nothing felt out of expectations to me.

 

[O1duvai]

Inconsistencies like Hannah mentioning that MC is behaving not like himself, and then him actually acting with unusual behaviors and temperament, as you mentioned? Personally, her comment tipped me off that there's likely an underlying reason for unusual, inconsistent, or self-destructive behavior without the need for some doctor or email to explain it directly in exposition.

A harem game is going to almost always require some suspension of disbelief, and I can certainly understand differing opinions about how well that gets pulled off.

But as for MC acting like someone recently diagnosed with a terminal illness, considering all the other research done and how easy it is to find relevant info, I'm sure that was done as well, and nothing felt out of expectations to me.

I have already written about this.

He was diagnosed with cancer a long time ago. This was an excuse for the first couple of days.

Harem games don't have to show us stupid characters who justify their stupidity with cancer. Instead, they may feature depraved characters. What would be more logical, given that the character (to the idiot who himself refused treatment as a doctor, without explaining the reasons (including to the player) and mark my words, it is the harem that will become a motivator not to die. Or rather Nikki) I have a couple of years left to live. Which, by the way, leads to the conclusion that the grandfather from the gas station is the most adequate character in the game. And, damn, I would rather watch his adventures in the last year of his life than this circus. Although I am not a fan of this fetish, not at all.

 

[Private West]

While people in this thread are busy with arguing about trans people, I'd like to discuss the quite literal transitioning between frames in Chapter 3. Am I the only one bothered with that issue? Like, what happened? I remember that Bare Witness and Heaven's Door (Chapter 1 & 2) had a very smooth transitions between frames once you click LMB, press "Enter" or it switches automatically, but now it's not only looks "raw", but often it really feels like there's some frames missing between the current frame and the next.

Also, there's hell of a lot of scenes starting with a black screen and the plain text like "Next Thursday...". Which makes me think that Storm & Slockie had to cut a lot of content from Chapter 3 for some reason. Overall, given all these issues, Chapter 3 gives me an aftertaste more like a work in progress than a finished product. So, I hope it's not a final version yet.

 

[Rehwyn]

I have already written about this.

He was diagnosed with cancer a long time ago. This was an excuse for the first couple of days.

Harem games don't have to show us stupid characters who justify their stupidity with cancer. Instead, they may feature depraved characters. What would be more logical, given that the character (to the idiot who himself refused treatment as a doctor, without explaining the reasons (including to the player) and mark my words, it is the harem that will become a motivator not to die) I have a couple of years left to live. Which, by the way, leads to the conclusion that the grandfather from the gas station is the most adequate character in the game. And, damn, I would rather watch his adventures in the last year of his life than this circus. Although I am not a fan of this fetish, not at all.

And I already explained that it's incredibly realistic for people like MC to have personality changes that last weeks, months, or even years after a terminal diagnosis.

And yeah, that includes refusing treatment. Doctors in particular are prone to this with cancers like the one MC has, even if they would suggest aggressive treatment for patients other than themselves.

It seems we're going in circles though, so I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[O1duvai]

And I already explained that it's incredibly realistic for people like MC to have personality changes that last weeks, months, or even years after a terminal diagnosis.

And yeah, that includes people refusing treatment. Doctors in particular are prone to this with cancers like the one MC has, even if they would suggest aggressive treatment for patients other than themselves.

It seems we're going in circles though, so I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yes, we are going in circles, because there is no information about this in the game. Absolutely. We only have a couple of medical terms for the entire game. One about cancer, the other about women with a surprise. That's it, there's nothing to discuss here. My assessment is based on what is already in the game. Any theories - just theories. And I’m ready to return to them with the next update, when the author comes up with another illogical crap.

Perhaps it will appear later, but personally I am sure that it will not. And that such asshole behavior is just behavior. Why, because, you know, master of harem.

 

[MorallyLucky]

Just noticed no one brought up Bridget after the latest update even though she was looking extra hot (and thicc), instead all I'm seeing is trans bashing and other such nonsense

 

[Elduriel]

I have already written about this.

He was diagnosed with cancer a long time ago. This was an excuse for the first couple of days.

Harem games don't have to show us stupid characters who justify their stupidity with cancer. Instead, they may feature depraved characters. What would be more logical, given that the character (to the idiot who himself refused treatment as a doctor, without explaining the reasons (including to the player) and mark my words, it is the harem that will become a motivator not to die. Or rather Nikki) I have a couple of years left to live. Which, by the way, leads to the conclusion that the grandfather from the gas station is the most adequate character in the game. And, damn, I would rather watch his adventures in the last year of his life than this circus. Although I am not a fan of this fetish, not at all.

yep, it's that simple, get cancer, get over it. No biggie. Treatment will solve everything right? But whatever, not like you seem to have any irl experience with it. Maybe you'd change your tone afterwards.

 

[O1duvai]

yep, it's that simple, get cancer, get over it. No biggie. Treatment will solve everything right? But whatever, not like you seem to have any irl experience with it. Maybe you'd change your tone afterwards.

Probably like the author of the game.
Easier. Without the fact that he does not want to treat him for no reason, there is no game. Although it was possible to take the fantasy out of the ass and, for example, prescribe unsuccessful treatment. At the end of the game, we will not see this character and will forget, there will be a next one. Anyway. Otherwise we would have already had a sequel.

 

[Rehwyn]

yep, it's that simple, get cancer, get over it. No biggie. Treatment will solve everything right? But whatever, not like you seem to have any irl experience with it. Maybe you'd change your tone afterwards.

Never mind the fact that the specific cancer that MC was diagnosed with has less than a 1% ten-year survival rate even with treatment and currently there is no cure. And a doctor specialized in the brain would know this.

 

[Elduriel]

right, I'm done with the dude

 

[O1duvai]

Never mind the fact that the specific cancer that MC was diagnosed with has less than a 1% ten-year survival rate even with treatment and currently there is no cure. And a doctor specialized in the brain would know this.

right, I'm done with the dude

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Probably because from my first post it wasn’t about cancer. But all this doesn’t matter, we’re just figuring it out here because the author kindly left a bunch of holes.

 

[Jungles70]

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[Rehwyn]

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Probably because from my first post it wasn’t about cancer. But all this doesn’t matter, we’re just figuring it out here because the author kindly left a bunch of holes.

He specifies he has a diffuse intrinsic pontine glioma:


That has a typical 5-year survival rate of ~2% (

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And:


And again, a doctor of the brain would know this, and that treatment most likely would just be buying a few months.

 

[Elduriel]

He specifies he has a diffuse intrinsic pontine glioma:
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That has a typical 5-year survival rate of ~2% (

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And again, a doctor of the brain would know this, and that treatment mostly likely would just be buying a few months.

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