Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Hullahopp]

Oh, I agree 100%. I wasn't saying "this game is objectively terrible and anyone who likes it is wrong and bad", as much as I was suggesting "These are the reasons it doesn't click with me". Nothing wrong with different people having different opinions.



Well, I'm pretty sure that having aliens rape your love interests fits the generally understood definition of NTR when it comes to porn. It's certainly applicable to the literal definition of NTR this site uses for tags ("Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC").

About the only way it wouldn't is if the MC actively agrees to offer up their love interests for breeding (at which point you're shading more into sharing as opposed to NTR). But most anti-NTR players wouldn't make that fine a distinction - they just don't want to see other people/things/etc. fucking their love interests at all.

But that's not exactly what I said regardless. I was responding to a post from someone who seemed to be pretty heavily anti-NTR, and I pointed out that I definitely get the vibe that the aliens are there to play up the NTR idea (giving a race of "nothing but males" giant exposed dicks on a planet you can't escape from feels like a pretty strong nod in the "Mars Needs Women" direction). As you yourself mention, it's a "looming threat". The question is whether the threat just stays a threat to increase dramatic tension, or eventually becomes a reality. But for players who are anti-NTR, the threat alone might be more than they're willing to deal with if it makes them uncomfortable (or if they don't trust the dev to not add unavoidable NTR later).

It was mostly just an aside (hence why I put it as a separate paragraph in parentheses) pointing out that if someone is strongly anti-NTR (like the post I was replying to seemed to be), it seemed like the threat of future NTR was always going to be looming. I wasn't saying it was definitely going to happen or that it was the reason why I was giving up on the game.



By that logic, no one should have positive opinions either. The entire thread should just be one page with nothing but download links and objectively factual game dev updates.

The main reason to offer up negative opinions is so that other people who might be considering playing the game can see what other people think, both good and bad. And if they agree with those sorts of criticisms, they may choose to avoid a game. If, say, multiple people in a thread say "Man, I hate the MC because they're written like a total doormat", someone reading that might go "Man, I hate games with pushover MCs, maybe this game isn't for me." If people complain about a sandbox game being too grindy, people who don't like grindy sandbox games will know they might want to skip it. And so on.

And as long as you're offering your opinion relatively politely and not just saying stuff like "Man the dev is stupid and I hate them and wish they would just stop making games" or other abusive or hateful things, there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to say "I don't like this thing". Silencing all dissent and only allowing total praise or circle-jerk asskissing is a toxic mentality in and of itself. And honestly stifles creative growth for any artist because it means the only feedback they'll ever get is from people who refuse to say anything negative.

Game reviews aren't restricted to "Unless you're posting a glowing 5-star review, don't bother posting" (or if they are, you're on a terrible review site). Negative opinions can be just as useful at deciding whether or not you're going to like something as positive reviews are. Generally speaking, when I'm buying stuff on Amazon, I'll read both the 5-star reviews (to see people praise a product's good points) and the 1-star reviews (to see what sort of problems people had with the product) to try and get a feel for what a product is actually like.

I was mostly posting my opinions to agree with the previous poster (who had a lot of similar opinions to my impression), and to offer them up to anyone in the future who might be skimming the thread to see what people think of the game to decide if they want to play it. Considering that's exactly what I did before playing the game - and considering the excessive positivity misled me into thinking the game was something it's apparently not - a few more negative opinions might help other people in the future.

But hey, like what you like. The fact that I don't like it doesn't mean that you're not allowed to like it. Or somehow retroactively make your affection for it mean any less.



Ehh, someone was critical of a game they really like made by a dev they like, and it hurt their eFeelings. Happens all the time on the Internet. No big deal.

You said: Guy writes out a thoughtful critique. A negative/positive opinion only means like/dislike. It is not the same as criticism. Negative reviews are fine as long as they are not offensive. Not everyone can like the same thing.
I wrote about the Goblin Cave as being very ugly, very buggy and very difficult to control the character. This is a criticism, pointing out specific mistakes.
I don't like Desert Stalker because there is no challenge. That's a private opinion.
I read Themyschiron's opinion. I think this game is not to his taste. What irritates me is when someone suggests changes to the game concept because they don't like it.
But respect the developers' intentions, even if you don't agree with them. This does not mean that it is forbidden to write a negative opinion/criticism. The purpose of this forum is to provide information about the games.
Those who want specific changes can support the game on Patreon.

 

[F1forhalp]

ahumm. since we are all guest in here, i suggest we don't shove out someone who din nothing else than saying something. that's the hosts' job, or the landlords' job, not ours. this "get out" thing was unneeded. some guy (or girl) doesn't like this or that, and you do? you could have said just that instead of waving a pointy stick.

 

[Kionashi]

Oh, I agree 100%. I wasn't saying "this game is objectively terrible and anyone who likes it is wrong and bad", as much as I was suggesting "These are the reasons it doesn't click with me". Nothing wrong with different people having different opinions.



Well, I'm pretty sure that having aliens rape your love interests fits the generally understood definition of NTR when it comes to porn. It's certainly applicable to the literal definition of NTR this site uses for tags ("Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC").

About the only way it wouldn't is if the MC actively agrees to offer up their love interests for breeding (at which point you're shading more into sharing as opposed to NTR). But most anti-NTR players wouldn't make that fine a distinction - they just don't want to see other people/things/etc. fucking their love interests at all.

But that's not exactly what I said regardless. I was responding to a post from someone who seemed to be pretty heavily anti-NTR, and I pointed out that I definitely get the vibe that the aliens are there to play up the NTR idea (giving a race of "nothing but males" giant exposed dicks on a planet you can't escape from feels like a pretty strong nod in the "Mars Needs Women" direction). As you yourself mention, it's a "looming threat". The question is whether the threat just stays a threat to increase dramatic tension, or eventually becomes a reality. But for players who are anti-NTR, the threat alone might be more than they're willing to deal with if it makes them uncomfortable (or if they don't trust the dev to not add unavoidable NTR later).

It was mostly just an aside (hence why I put it as a separate paragraph in parentheses) pointing out that if someone is strongly anti-NTR (like the post I was replying to seemed to be), it seemed like the threat of future NTR was always going to be looming. I wasn't saying it was definitely going to happen or that it was the reason why I was giving up on the game.

I think it would be weird seeing a bunch of aliens raping your Love interest producing any kind of jealousy like in "oh I wish I would be the one raping my love interest", but as you said, most anti-NTR players use a pretty loose definition that applies even when it shouldn't. I wish there were a more specific term to define the opposite of sharing and leave the NTR in peace.

 

[Oddball2k]

A fair approach. I also played this so far as a male MC avoiding romantic entanglements with any of the other women, mainly because there’s that little problem with officers getting into relationships with those of lower rank, Chris being the exception but also married.

Well, you don't have to play it like this, I mean avoiding romantic entanglements with any of the other women.

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I guess others could then ask WTH are you playing this game for then, anyway?

Is that a rhetorical question for yourself or a question for me?

Anyway, my answer is, in a general way of speaking:
I play this game, beside the very tangible Sci-fi universe and the myriad of plots, for what Nottravis said very early about her game.
And I quote, "Thief, murderer, adulterer, hero, slacker....So many paths to go down...and so many different types of relationships that can be formed. A friend down one path is most certainly a foe down another..."

And to be specific about my canon path, I play a hard-working engineer and a humble Lieutenant trying to keep everyone I care about safe and on a Chris Non-Domme romantic route.. A long burn route, scattered with traps I guess... Wish me luck!!

 

[Yamura]

Well, you don't have to play it like this, I mean avoiding romantic entanglements with any of the other women.

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Is that a rhetorical question for yourself or a question for me?
Anyway, my answer is, in a general way of speaking:
I play this game, beside the very tangible Sci-fi universe and the myriad of plots, for what Nottravis said very early about her game.
And I quote, "Thief, murderer, adulterer, hero, slacker....So many paths to go down...and so many different types of relationships that can be formed. A friend down one path is most certainly a foe down another..."

And to be specific about my canon path, I play a hard-working engineer and a humble Lieutenant trying to keep everyone I care safe and on a Chris Non-Domme romantic route.. A long burn path, scattered with traps I guess... Wish me luck!!

No worries, it was a rhetorical question more than anything. I am on more or less the same path.

 

[Akiba99]

already fuck someone in here or i need to wait 2 more years?

 

[Jaun Karr]

already fuck someone in here or i need to wait 2 more years?

If all your after is porn, this isn't the game for you.

 

[Udayana]

If all your after is porn, this isn't the game for you.

I wish we had more of Sara. I loved the scene where she talks about Homer and concludes: "But you have to read it in Greek to understand all the subtleties". Not so silly as she wants people to believe she is A very funny scene.

 

[Hullahopp]

already fuck someone in here or i need to wait 2 more years?

Oh, yes. Those who thought they were getting the usual silly porn game have fucked themselves.

 

[karlosos]

I Just finished chapter 3

I have almost completely failed



I Used the walkthrough, but I have just wasted 3 hours.

 

[whichone]

I Just finished chapter 3

I have almost completely failed

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I Used the walkthrough, but I have just wasted 3 hours.

Looks like you followed the "Chris Male Romance" route.
You can see, in the Walkthrough, which objectives each route will achieve:

Chapter 3 of "Chris Male Romance" only achieves "You Went & Rescued Walker".
Chapter 3 of "Annie Male Romance" only achieves "You Met A Princess".
Chapter 3 of "Trisha (White Male)" achieves "You Agreed To Go To The Mines".
Chapter 3 of "Trisha (Black Male)" achieves "You Agreed To Go To The Mines" & "You Have A Dinner Invite".
Chapter 3 in the "Sarah Male Romance" route achieves "You met a Princess", "You Made Your First Kill" & "Babe Got Banged", as well as "You Rescued Walker".

 

[NeimadFR]

I'm glad that Notty is getting rid of those chapters ending screen in favor of achievements because we have proof right there that it can lead to the false assumption of having "failed" the chapter.

 

[Idontplay]

I Just finished chapter 3

I have almost completely failed

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I Used the walkthrough, but I have just wasted 3 hours.

Don't worry: I think to have "failed" also the first achievement…

 

[moskyx]

There are so many trolls on F95 it makes sense for fans to be a bit "on edge"

But if someone offers a non-confrontational review of what they "feel" are shortcomings, that is Constructive Criticism. If other people share those sentiments and maybe they decide to echo the thoughts and maybe it could lead to consideration of those issues and then perhaps one branch of the branching story could be more in line with that group and therefore you have a larger number of people who enjoy it. That is not a bad thing. It is also completely fine if the dev doesn't want to implement any of the changes and nowhere did I see declarations that she must or it was the only way to make a great game.

Again I know trolls can be annoying but we shouldn't troll people just because they feel differently about a game. And the instant harsh push back felt very...... troll-like

to me anyway


But again, I am but one person.

(I do tend to agree with some of the points made by ClockworkGnome and have my own other thoughts but I will refrain from putting anyone into defensive mode.)







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No, that's not constructive criticism. That's just politely meaningless criticism since it's entirely based on personal tastes and not on what the dev is trying to achieve. Constructive criticism would be something like 'you aimed for X and I feel you only got X-3, in my opinion you should change this and that and maybe that other thing too and that way you'd be closer to your intended goal'. Or 'I feel this section is clunky and kind of breaks the pace, you should try to improve it somehow'. That's something that may make the dev look into it.

But saying 'I don't get why you did this, I don't like that, I'm not attracted to any character so I'm not interested in playing the game anymore' is not constructive, it just means that the game was not made for you and you'd be better off by walking away from it. And sure, you can state why you didn't like it, but that's not constructive criticism, is merely an opinion that says more about you and your tastes than about some actual game's flaws. Which should be the point of being constructive.

 

[rieyn]

But saying 'I don't get why you did this, I don't like that, I'm not attracted to any character so I'm not interested in playing the game anymore' is not constructive, it just means that the game was not made for you and you'd be better off by walking away from it. And sure, you can state why you didn't like it, but that's not constructive criticism, is merely an opinion that says more about you and your tastes than about some actual game's flaws. Which should be the point of being constructive.

Disagree. Constructive criticism has always been a hot topic because it means different things to different people. Some people get much more offended a lot more easily and others want a harsh review because they want to hear everyone's point of view on the matter. Even if they don't agree with the review. Even if the reviewer doesn't "belong to the audience" that the dev made the game for. Whatever that means. Only the dev can even make this determination, so I'd really just leave it for them.

I am a harsh critic of my own work and personally enjoy brutally honest critiques from others because few can match my own cynicism anyway. Often the main thing I get out of critiques is a different perspective that I hadn't even considered, because I'm already deep down through the rabbit hole of my own perspective. The whole "You did this well but.." kid gloves thing works for some people more than others, and personally speaking.. telling me what I did well is nice and all, but it's still just as useless as saying "this sucks." Main difference is.. that doesn't agitate the white knights nearly as much.

So that brings me to the main point here.. The real distinction in constructive criticism (as opposed to just criticism) is actually adding something positive productive to the comments you leave. Opinions are opinions but they're generally not very thought provoking by themselves. If someone has nothing useful to add to their opinions, they may be honest or they may be a troll. Who knows? Who cares. They're adding nothing to the discussion, so the outcome is no better than if they hadn't posted at all. There's a huge distinction between saying "I feel this is bland." and saying "I feel this is bland because..."

If someone is willing to spend their time consuming the content and then give honest constructive feedback, no one has any business stopping them regardless of their opinion. That right is reserved for the dev and the dev alone. This is especially so for games which encompass so many different fetishes. Just because someone likes x y and z doesn't mean they'll like every game with x y and z in it. Depends on the presentation and a lot more factors that have to do with the dev's tastes and their goals of the project.

It's actually kind of funny to me, seeing the mob mentality here when someone replies asking for more sex scenes. As if Heavy Five is the coffee table book that is accepted as "high brow" porn, and everyone needs to turn their nose up at the guy who occasionally wanders in looking for a penthouse centerfold. One is a "Collection of art produced by a profound professional." And the other is smut. Even though the same photographer shot both.

 

[Hildegardt]

Constructive criticism has always been a hot topic because it means different things to different people. Some people get much more offended a lot more easily and others want a harsh review because they want to hear everyone's point of view on the matter.

Constructive criticism only means different things to different people, because some people are wrong. It has nothing to do with getting offended.
For example I could say: "You should look up the definition of the word constructive.", which would be constructive criticism, or I could say: "The way you write doesn't appeal to me.", which would just be a matter of taste.

The real distinction in constructive criticism (as opposed to just criticism) is actually adding something positive productive to the comments you leave.

The clue is kind of in the term itself. Constructive criticism is supposed to be constructive. Some people might argue that leaving comments on porn forums is inherently unproductive.

 

[Idontplay]

Actually this is a forum, a place in which everyone should be free to share his opinion about a certain topic, on condition that he is polite and respectful. And if these opinions aren't shared by other people? Well, we doesn't live under the USSR regime, so we can debate those opinions, but again we should remember to be polite, respectful and above all we should remember no one can decide what the other people can say or think.

 

[RoxTheVile]

Hey, how's the femdom in this game?

 

[Kionashi]

Hey, how's the femdom in this game?

is....quite unique, not your classic, whip and leather kind of femdom, more like chastity device and interactive JOI sessions while not being allowed to cum...I find it pretty cool

 

[NeimadFR]

Hey, how's the femdom in this game?

That's a tricky question to answer, depends on what you're looking for in femdom. There's no instant humiliation with foot licking, face sitting and other stuff you see in most femdom games.
In my opinion it is the best femdom I've seen since it's more psychological. It's all about consent and setting boundaries from the start. So far it's only been edging based but I have a feeling that it will kick it up soon.