Purely arbitrary bullshit.
And some people seem to think they are punishing the dev because they are not as fast as they want, and think this will make them go faster or something.
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And some people seem to think they are punishing the dev because they are not as fast as they want, and think this will make them go faster or something.
I haven't given any money since all the remastering started. That was a really long time ago.
Nevertheless, my point remains. Any previews or long explanatory texts are worth nothing. Actual output is what counts and here Notty is a laughing stock for a really frighteningly long time. So long that I think it is very likely that she has only done a fraction of what she claims to have done. Just enough to keep people like you in line.
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You know, it's even healthy to be a little bit cautious and skeptical in life. But at some point, one has to think about what would be the actual benefit for those you doubt, unless you want to look like a paranoid. What is Notty getting by claiming she has done more than she has actually done? Nothing, she's been pausing pledges for a year now - and even putting out some minigames for free. What sense would it actually make to do so? Do you really think she is a sociopath who seeks constant validation and won't hesitate to resort to deception and lies to keep her followers happy? Considering you've been following her too, you must have seen how she works, how she likes to constantly improve and retouch her work, and you probably saw how she fried her old PC too. It's just more logical to assume all she says it's true, as it was before, than start seeing crazy conspiracy theories.
Or maybe think about why people like me, or Anne, or TothesNotTea, that are reasonably well-respected users in this forum (at least I'd like to think so) and who cooperate regularly (and free of charge) with other devs and users, are constantly saying that we believe in Notty's words because we're actually seeing what she claims she's done. Do you really believe we are that gullible? Do you think we're so mesmerized by her being a woman, as some idiot said sometime ago? Or do you think we are all taking part in this big conspiracy to lead people on so that Notty can keep earning 0 bucks? Wouldn't it be more logical to think that we are actually saying the truth, that some of us have tested some modules and can testify that her checklist is actually accurate? What's in it for us to gain, if not?
I don't like the current situation. I'm OK with the game being tagged as abandoned if that's the site's rule. I honestly think she should have released something at this point, even with all that has been going on in her life. There's a point where she should just stop doing minor adjustments and pack everything and release it. But I'm not making the game. She is. So all I can do is accept that this is how she works and she won't release anything until she's 200% sure that's what she'd like to release. And since she's not taking any money from me (nor from anybody else, mind you) I just can't understand why other people are so eager to call her out for something she is definitely not doing, as that suspicious behavior can be easily discarded just by applying a little bit of logical thinking. I guess the sunk cost fallacy also works with negationists.
Or maybe think about why people like me, or Anne, or TothesNotTea, that are reasonably well-respected users in this forum (at least I'd like to think so) and who cooperate regularly (and free of charge) with other devs and users, are constantly saying that we believe in Notty's words because we're actually seeing what she claims she's done. Do you really believe we are that gullible? Do you think we're so mesmerized by her being a woman, as some idiot said sometime ago? Or do you think we are all taking part in this big conspiracy to lead people on so that Notty can keep earning 0 bucks? Wouldn't it be more logical to think that we are actually saying the truth, that some of us have tested some modules and can testify that her checklist is actually accurate? What's in it for us to gain, if not?
I don't like the current situation. I'm OK with the game being tagged as abandoned if that's the site's rule. I honestly think she should have released something at this point, even with all that has been going on in her life. There's a point where she should just stop doing minor adjustments and pack everything and release it. But I'm not making the game. She is. So all I can do is accept that this is how she works and she won't release anything until she's 200% sure that's what she'd like to release. And since she's not taking any money from me (nor from anybody else, mind you) I just can't understand why other people are so eager to call her out for something she is definitely not doing, as that suspicious behavior can be easily discarded just by applying a little bit of logical thinking. I guess the sunk cost fallacy also works with negationists.
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You're confusing Nottravis with Braindrop who has a history of lying to his patrons and then putting out crap work. In the end your opinion doesn't matter as you have no monetary input.
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The disadvantage of conspiracy theories is that you can fit everything into your theory after a while.
What conspiracy? As I understand it, Notty is the only developer and therefore the only source of information.
It would not be the first case here where a developer starts to exploit this and tell more and more lies. The point is that in the end, progress can only be proven by content that is actually delivered. If there is still no update after more than 18 months, then everyone should ask themselves how seriously this project actually is.
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I let you argue with yourself about what you are claiming:
That makes you a pathological liar, period.
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Mate, you're projecting. I get it, a lot of devs who do not update their game after a while are more likely scammers. We can agree on that.
But ffs, if you, and every other conspiracy theorist here have been told time and time again by not one, but several people that the game is being worked on and that the dev is active on her discord, twitter and small things did get released on her Patreon page, then why, oh why in the blazes of the unholy place, do you keep insisting that it's the other way around?
At this point, I can only conclude that you like the attention that you get. It's not even about proving your point. It's just about shit talking. Oh, you think I'm harsh for saying these things? Maybe I am but when I see people like you, who have been explained time and time again how things stand, who can make the effin research easily by checking the places that we keep telling you to check, then I can only conclude that you are attention seekers, who like the sound of their own voice.
She is a perfectionist. Does this drive me and several of her supporters mad from time to time? Yes, it does. Does she know of this? Yes, she does. Even so, she is trying to make this game as best as she can. Will this take a long time to make? The answer to this question is yes, again. Even so, at the end of the day, it's her project and she'll go at her pace. So you guys can moan and whine as much as you want because you will not be able to change her mind.
Of course, you can pretend that time doesn't matter, but that's just naive. In case of Notty, it may be just very poor project management, but i no longer believe in this theory. I now think it is quite likely that she is lying (thus deliberately telling the untruth), at least in part.
Nevertheless, if she really works on the game, she could also release updates. I mean, it's more than 18 months now, so it's really a ridiculously long delay.
If anything, I was mistaken, but definitely not lying. There is no reason for me to do so. No idea why I thought that at the time (post from 2021), but I definetiv paid money in 2019. I have just checked this.
Anyway, it doesn't change the problem with Notty. After all, it was Notty who asks for money for her work and not me. It would only be fair if she would also provide updates and not just talk.
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There has been no update for 18 months. On a pirate site. Which the developer does not visit. A developer who does not accept money.
In Western democracies, there is a presumption of innocence. This means that if you defame someone, you have to prove it, not the accused. What you are doing is shifting the burden of proof. No matter what we say, you sweep it off the table, claiming that we are all lying. That Notty made up the accident. That she's not working on the game. What proof do you have of that?
I have nothing against you. There is no such thing as bad publicity, at least your trolling keeps the thread alive. But if you're not just looking for attention, if you're serious about this, you're really paranoid. Do you think the patreon posts, the news on Instagram, the whole thing is really just to fool you? Why? For fun?
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What if he's actually the one being paid by Notty to keep this thread alive and see how many of us are willing to defend her no matter what, so that she can keep lying and deceiving us while she makes absurd minigames for free instead of developing H5?
Everything fits.
As I see it, she currently makes more than 1000€ a month. That's less than other dev here, but not nothing either. Also, you should not forget that she has already collected a lot of money in the past.
I explain here why I think it is important that there are regular updates, and explain that unfortunately many developers lie. However, I don't think suing someone on the basis of a broken patreon promises is an good option, at least not for me.
Also, I don't believe in trolling, and I really mean it, when i say that I am disappointed with the progress of this game. So much so, that I really think that she is no longer working on it, or maybe only working on it very minimally (to maintain the illusion).
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First bold comment - She currently makes 0€ on Patreon per month; her pledges have been paused now for 11 months.
Second bold comment - hahahahahahahaha
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How many times do we have to explain how Patreon works? She's not getting any money since April 2022 except one single pledge from those who have decided to join in since then (who are just a few). So even if you see '1,000 €', or '10,000 €', or even '1,000,000 €', that's not what she's earning at all because the monthly payments are not being processed. It's actually the money she's monthly rejecting from her patrons.
If you don't believe in trolling, you seriously are making a hard effort to look like one.
If that's really the case, which is really strange considering one can still join, then there is still the money that she has already received.
Ultimately, the point is that a game that never really left the beginning of the story has almost zero value. If one was already so willing to be open to support, then one should also really strive to really deliver. Again, it's been more than 18 months since the last update. How about a little progress.
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You mean the money she was earning fairly according to your own standards, back when she kept delivering what she promised? Once she couldn't deliver anymore due to whatever circumstances you're not willing to believe, she paused pledges. So even by your twisted and distrustful logic, all her promises since April 2022 should be simply dismissed, again according to your own standards, since she's not getting anything in return and she is not producing anything either. Those who don't believe her couldn't have it easier: just forget about this abandoned game that no one is funding. Oddly enough, you keep coming back again and again insisting that she's doing something evil -- when the only one that is actually being hurt by her 'lies' is herself.
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So, let me summarize for the readers:
Notty is lying when she say that she's working on the game. And this all her patrons know it since they have the possibility, more or less regularly, to test this content that do not exist.
She's also lying when she say that she pause the pledge, because someone not pledging can start supporting her. And this too, her patrons know it since they haven't payed a single buck since 11 months.
And she's doing all this to keep her patrons in line, in order for her to regularly receive the money that they already gave her in the past.
The point is and remains that there has been no update for more than 18 months. That I have lost confidence in this developer is only secondary. In the end, it doesn't help that people really aren't being asked to pay at the moment because a lot of money has already been paid in the past. Certainly not to have a game that is dropped in the middle of the implementation, which as I have already said is my suspicion.
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The money paid in the past was in exchange for the content promised and delivered in the past. The moment she couldn't provide any more content, the money stopped flooding in -and it was her choice, and only hers. That's the most honest move a dev can make: no matter what I say or do, I'm not charging you. And it's been a year now. Bringing that past income to this discussion (without even knowing how Patreon works, despite claiming you did support her in the past) and trying to twist it in order to make her look bad for having cashed in the money she was fairly earning with her work is so absurd that, this alone, should invalidate the rest of your claims.
But hey, it's just what it is. Whenever she effectively delivers the revamped 4 chapters plus the brand new chapter 5 we keep insisting she's been working on after recovering from her car accident, you'll say that all that work has probably been made in the last couple of months at best (after getting the abandoned tag in this forum, of course) and that its production value doesn't justify the 19 months of (free) waiting, and maybe you'll also say that she should be ashamed of getting paid again for nothing since she most likely will be delaying the next chapter too. We get it. You'll never lose this battle.
But hey, it's just what it is. Whenever she effectively delivers the revamped 4 chapters plus the brand new chapter 5 we keep insisting she's been working on after recovering from her car accident, you'll say that all that work has probably been made in the last couple of months at best (after getting the abandoned tag in this forum, of course) and that its production value doesn't justify the 19 months of (free) waiting, and maybe you'll also say that she should be ashamed of getting paid again for nothing since she most likely will be delaying the next chapter too. We get it. You'll never lose this battle.
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What fall back to the question frequently asked, but to which you never really answered: What the fuck are you doing here ?
I mean, Moskyx is not wrong in his attempt to make some humor. Since the game status changed, you are responsible, directly or indirectly, for ~80% of the content in this thread. All this for a game you don't believe in anymore since more than two years, and about an update you're convinced that will never happen.
And all you are doing is trying to convince her patrons that they are paying for nothing, while they know better than you that they aren't paying, and that Notty isn't working on the game, while they are testing parts of what she's working on.
Don't you see how ridiculous it is, and how ridiculous it make you look ?