Ren'Py Abandoned Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Dragon59]

I think it's completely legetim, if a game gets no update for over 18 months, and the explanatory texts are getting longer and longer and more and more nonsensical, to discuss whether there actually is a realistic chance for this game. I find it rather strange how some people here still act as if everything is fine and you just need more patience. We are not talking about 1-2 months delay, of a maybe ideal timespan of 3-6 months, but about more than 18 months. Remember, updates are the only reliable way to see if something is progressing. Everything else is just claim, which after such a long time one could drop altogether. This has just as little value as the "dog that ate the homework".

That still doesn't explain why you, personally, feel the need to be a Karen/Filius Canis here.

I don't know where you live, but in the free world, you don't have to pay money to be allowed to express your opinion. If not here, where else should we openly and fairly discuss the fact that something went wrong with the development of this game?

Two points.
First, I'm reminded of the many quotes comparing opinions to assholes, farts, and noses. This is especially true of uninformed opinions.
Second, it is your opinion (see above) that something went wrong with the game. That is not an established fact, no matter how much you want it to be.

Sometimes I really think some people here don't even want to look honestly at how bad the progress of this game is. However, the realization that something is going wrong is ultimately a necessary prerequisite for being able to improve something. After 18 months without an update, this should be clear to everyone here.

Once again, not an established fact.

I wonder, is it that you are naively idiot and truly don't get it, or are you just a troll who voluntarily circle around the issue, faking to not see it even when it's relatively explicitly pointed to you ?

I don't know--I watch a lot of Flat Earth and Young Earth debunking videos. It's amazing how adverse to changing their opinions some people are.
"You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think."

Look around you in the thread.

There's people who come, see the "abandoned" prefix, and ask what happened. Then, after having read the answer, after having thought about what they've read else on the thread, they go back doing whatever they were doing before.
Perhaps have they understood the situation, and are they just patiently waiting for the long delayed update. Or perhaps are they like you, loosing all hope that the next update happen one day. No one know, and no one really care. But, more important, they don't feel the need to say what are their thoughts, and to repeat it day after day, like you are doing. They are acting like the adults they are.

There's also two/three for who there's no doubts. They are like you, convinced that the said update will never happen. And you know what ? It's their right.
But do you see them arguing for days ? Do you see them systematically act like if they were the depository of the unique truth, like you do ? No, they don't.
Unlike you, they don't try to convince people who clearly know better than them, because seeing their pledge being frozen and having seen firsthand what Notty effectively do, that they are blind and lured. They don't do it because they are adult. They know that it would be useless and stupid, that it would make them looks like an idiot and nothing else.

It's your attitude, not what you say, that is, and have always been, the issue. Near to nobody care what are your thought regarding Notty, the game and the update. What people care about, what they reproach you, are the way you are using this thread to have the attention you're missing in life.

Perhaps the ultimate goal of the "Abandon Tag Fetishists" is to create a narrative that drives new fans away from a game in attempt to destroy something people like.

This story seems to be your general explanation here. But such an accident can explain only a fraction of the now over 18 months since the last update. The rest is, as with some other developers here, a lot of hot air.

Is this assessment based upon medical expertise, or personal experience with rendering and coding tasks? Or is it just an opinion you pulled from anus?
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I think the probability is high that the development has really been stopped, or has become so minor, so to speak, that it is negligible. You should not give people here false hope. If the game catches up again, that's good, but it's not very likely.
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STOP THE PRESSES!
You finally admitted that you think the probability is high. You have admitted that this is opinion and not fact.

Eh, you'd still be one of those guys. Wedding vows are sacred. Both people who took those vows should honor them.

So, you think that an abused spouse should remain in the marriage despite physical/psychological abuse because "Wedding vows are sacred?"
You're apparently "one of those guys."

 

[Dragon59]

On the contrary, I think being physically or psychologically abusive to your partner is a breach of those vows. After all, if phsyical/psychological abuse was expected or even allowed within a marriage, why on Earth would anyone get married in the first place?

i.e The traditional wedding vows end with these words: "I promise to love and cherish you."
I think you'd agree that beating the shit out of your spouse violates that promise.

But would you consider psychological/emotional abuse to be just as harmful?

 

[anne O'nymous]

I don't know--I watch a lot of Flat Earth and Young Earth debunking videos. It's amazing how adverse to changing their opinions some people are.
"You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think."

It's a bit different, they stick to a narrative that reassure them.

Most Flat Earth believers have no problem with round planets, as long as it's not the one they live on. And if they have problem with Earth it's because they absolutely don't understand why it looks flat and why you don't fall when you're on what they believe to the "the wrong side".
For those who also believe that the Moon don't exist it's mostly because deep inside they are convinced that if such big thing exist so near to Earth, it can fall on Earth at anytime.
Both challenge way too much what they know, while opening the gate to the fact that they aren't as smart as they think. Therefore they stick to an absurd theory, and absolutely don't want to see the world otherwise, because then they would be the idiots, and not anymore the ones who are smarter than the majority.

For Young Earth believer it's a bit different. Globally it's a mix between the Bible (that in fact contradict nothing when you know that "seven days" were initially "seven periods of time") and the way too big number of billions years since the creation of Earth. If Earth is older, in billion years, than your life expectancy in years, you are nothing, and it's not necessarily a reality easy to face. But if Earth is 10,000 years old, then it's something like 110-120 times your life expectancy, and your existence become significant.

And it continue like this, whatever the theory, even Q, all the belief are based on fears and are a way to stop being afraid. But for him, where is the fear ? That the game is abandoned ? Then he should be reassured by all the people saying that it will not happen, yet he isn't. In fact he act at the opposite, he clearly prefer to live in fear that the game will never be finished, than imagine that it's just a big delay.

Perhaps the ultimate goal of the "Abandon Tag Fetishists" is to create a narrative that drives new fans away from a game in attempt to destroy something people like.

Then it's a revengeful act and, as far as I remember, against the rules.

 

[anne O'nymous]

If you don't like that the game has the abandoned tag,

From where the fuck this come from ? Where the fucking fuck have you seen that I don't like it ? I'm even pretty sure that I have explicitly wrote that I don't care.

All you have to do is release a new update.

Fuck, why no one warned me that I was Notty ?

 

[moskyx]

Man is this reaching. If you don't like that the game has the abandoned tag, then there's an easy and simple way to remove it so listen up.


All you have to do is release a new update.

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Unfortunately we can't do shit to get the tag removed because we can't release a new update. However, it should be obvious at this point that it's not the tag we have problems with, but the people who keep giving an 'automatized' tag and his own ill-fantasies much more weight than several informed opinions stating the development is not actually abandoned. Those people are the ones who may be breaking some rules, not the ones who put the right tag, obviously

 

[Idontplay]

Fuck, why no one warned me that I was Notty ?

Because you have a mental condition, it is called "Dissociative Identity Disorder", but you don't know that; in fact you actually are Notty, me and ItzSpc at the same time.


Jocking apart this discussion is became unbelievable.

 

[moskyx]

Wherever the game is or isn't abandoned doesn't matter anymore. Once a game fails to release a game update at 18 months or beyond then the tag is applied. 18 months is the essentially the deadline and Heavy Five failed to meet the standard.

Again, the tag is not the fight. It's obvious that the claim of rule-breaking is aimed at those who keep insisting in the game being actually abandoned when they are told ad nauseaum that it's not, twisting our words and doubling down their own uninformed opinions and wishes

 

[1200]

You're confusing Nottravis with Braindrop who has a history of lying to his patrons and then putting out crap work. In the end your opinion doesn't matter as you have no monetary input.

Im not trying to jump on the Notty hate train here, but telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they don't pay money to Notty is kinda insane. She has literally paused her patreon. No one is paying money to her

 

[anne O'nymous]

You clearly do care because you've been arguing against everyone who supports the abandon tag being put onto this game.

You clearly have a comprehension issue.
I've argued against one person who repeat ad nauseum that Notty is milking and not working on the game. Would he have said that three months ago, I would have done the same.

Now going as far to say that people who think the abandoned tag applies are committing a "revengeful act" How on Earth would the be an act of revenge? Crazy.

Do you read what you answer too ?
I answered that to "Perhaps the ultimate goal of the "Abandon Tag Fetishists" is to create a narrative that drives new fans away from a game in attempt to destroy something people like."
Therefore it clearly have nothing to do with the fact that you believe or not that the tag is legit (scoop, it is legit, everyone said it), and explicitly target a person who would instrumentalize it for a personal war.

 

[NeimadFR]

The point I'm trying to make here is fans are happy to stand in the desert waiting for it to rain, whereas others will just move on to greener pastures.

Well move on then, go ahead, we're watching.

 

[moskyx]

It's more a difference in perspective. Not everyone is invested into this game as the fans of Heavy Five. Point being is that fans are happy to hear from the developer, just like GOT fans are happy to hear from George R Martin, just telling them that they're alive and are "working" on the project, regardless of any reveals or releases.

Other people are not so invested, and if they don't see any new content/meat then it may as well be abandoned because the well dried up, there's no rain in the desert, that sort of thing. The point I'm trying to make here is fans are happy to stand in the desert waiting for it to rain, whereas others will just move on to greener pastures.

Somehow you forgot the fact that some of us aren't invested fans, but betatesters who have seen part of the work that it's allegedly not been made. That's where our certainty comes from.

I'd really wish people could actually move on to greener pastures. What we are witnessing here, however (and especially from a couple of very specific users) it's exactly the opposite: their greenest pasture seems to be fishing for our raged reactions when our words are constantly being doubted or plainly ignored, using dumb logic and going over the same absurd claims again and again.

 

[PBS666]

Because you have a mental condition, it is called "Dissociative Identity Disorder", but you don't know that; in fact you actually are Notty, me and ItzSpc at the same time.

See ? Just as I all told you. It's all coming together now. The game's up.

Why am I talking to myself ?

Have you ever thought about the possibility that all posts here are made be alt-accounts of the dev ?
Maybe she has MPS, and you are an alt-account as well. Yes, that must be it.

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

I'm one of the official testers for Heavy Five. Look at this and tell me no content has been made...

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Ignore the version numbers. The 1R tests are for CH5. The rest are for the GUI upgrades or portions of CH5.

 

[Idontplay]

I'm one of the official testers for Heavy Five. Look at this and tell me no content has been made...

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Ignore the version numbers. The 1R tests are for CH5. The rest are for the GUI upgrades or portions of CH5.

This is why I think we should "not talk of them, but look and pass on".

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

So is the beta testing you're doing, is the build a playable version of Chapter 5 yet? If it is, be a champ and upload it here?

Yes, and not a chance.

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

Then why even mention that you have a playable version of the elusive chapter 5 on a pirate site of all places?

Because some "people" swear blind that it doesn't exist. Remind you of anyone?

 

[anne O'nymous]

I never said that water doesn't exist.

Please, take a seat and sit comfortably, I do not want you to be hurt when I'll break the news to you...

You aren't the only person on Earth.


Starting there, could it be that you aren't the person who pass his time saying that those works in progress versions do not exist ?

 

[Dragon59]

Because you have a mental condition, it is called "Dissociative Identity Disorder", but you don't know that; in fact you actually are Notty, me and ItzSpc at the same time.


Jocking apart this discussion is became unbelievable.

That would explain why the Notty Alter is having problems if she's not in control as often as the rest of you.

Im not trying to jump on the Notty hate train here, but telling people they aren't allowed an opinion because they don't pay money to Notty is kinda insane. She has literally paused her patreon. No one is paying money to her

Look at the quote again. No one said you weren't entitled to an opinion, just that the opinion of someone who isn't actually supporting doesn't carry any weight (doesn't really matter). Big difference. Reading comprehension matters in a written medium.

Do you read what you answer too ?
I answered that to "Perhaps the ultimate goal of the "Abandon Tag Fetishists" is to create a narrative that drives new fans away from a game in attempt to destroy something people like."
Therefore it clearly have nothing to do with the fact that you believe or not that the tag is legit (scoop, it is legit, everyone said it), and explicitly target a person who would instrumentalize it for a personal war.

Yup. That was me. I am trying to come up with an explanation why the "Abandoned Tag Fetishists" often seem so gleeful in declaring popular games "abandoned." Maybe the simple answer is that it arouses them to get a game slapped with the abandoned tag.

Well move on then, go ahead, we're watching.

If they did that, who would be here to discourage new players?

That's the part you're not understanding. People have already made their minds up on the matter, one way or another. No point arguing with them because they'll never believe it until it actually rains. Just like no one believes the Doomsayers until armegeddon finally arrives.

Funny you would choose Doomsayers and Armageddon. How many times in the last two thousand years has the end of the world been predicted? How accurate have their predictions been? History tells us not to believe the Doomsayers because 100.00% of the time, they've failed in making an accurate prediction, no matter how sure they were.

 

[moskyx]

This is why I think we should "not talk of them, but look and pass on".

Funny you would choose Doomsayers and Armageddon. How many times in the last two thousand years has the end of the world been predicted? How accurate have their predictions been? History tells us not to believe the Doomsayers because 100.00% of the time, they've failed in making an accurate prediction, no matter how sure they were.

That's exactly why he used it and the reason I won't be bothered by him anymore. He's right - he won't change his mind and I trust silent readers to have a clear view now about what's going on in here.

 

[indio68]

i knew this will end like this....all those shit about reworking things that are all right ever ends like this so often...why don't simply go on with the story and stop being perfectionist about what u've done so far?? ppl liked the game as was..so why?