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- Jun 17, 2019
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Isn't it just adorable how they take turns to keep going at it?
- Jun 21, 2017
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So you didn't see my line about "ignore the version numbers" then...
- Sep 26, 2020
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well what does that mean?? i don't see anything new really...no matter about reworking..story wise there is no new content , right?
- Jun 10, 2017
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Ok I'll teach you one thing or two, because clearly you are talking without having the starts of an idea about the subject.
As said, they are testing versions. This mean that:
- They have bugs, typos and all ;
- They don't even include nothing before and after the part they cover ;
- It wouldn't be surprising that they don't even include the totality of what they cover ;
- They are tries and don't necessarily match what will be in the release.
If the game was a car, having one of those files would be the same than having the prototype for the backseat. A prototype in plastic, wood, or whatever, that have no other purpose than having something full size to see if it looks as good as it seem on the paper.
Accordingly to the names, among the test version there's :
- The VR scene from the chapter one. It's what Notty used for the test of the new VR UI, so it's in an early stage state (she was still not totally sure last time she talked about it) and it include bugs ;
- The CoC scene from the chapter 5. Here again it's an early stage, testers also do the difficulty balancing ;
- What is explicitly named to be a demo, there's pre-early stage content ;
- One scene with Sarah.
So, still if the game was a car, you would have a wheel, the backseat, the back left door and one piece of the motor.
Wow, great, wonderful...
Of course, there's also the chapter 5 (because yes it is in the list). But knowing how Notty works, there's 80% chance that it's only the chapter 5.
And when I say "only", I don't mean that the chapters 1 to 4 are missing. What I mean is that it only content the "introduction part" of the chapter, and potentially a part (but just a part) of the free roaming. Therefore, it's at most a third of what will be released as content for the chapter 5. And of course here again in an early stage, therefore not even what you'll effectively see when the game will be released.
A test isn't just an "hey, is there bugs in my game" thing. It also regard the pacing, the balancing, the scene orders, the feeling carried by the dialog and the CGs, and so on.
I'm Not Thea Lundgren! will correct me if needed, but I wouldn't be surprised if between the first "chapter X" test version and what finally end in the game, there's around 50% changes.
Someone named George. R. R. Martin, well, to keep the comparison, what you want is few pages that aren't even following, randomly took from his working notes. What is the interest ?
- Jun 21, 2017
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Most of what we test ends up in the game, but sometimes it gets upgraded.
That's the point, even after over 18 months there is nothing to show. Everything else is just hot air and unverifiable statements.
Something that many people here always seem to forget is that regular updates, especially for one person projects, are the only really reliable way to prove progress. If then nothing appears for over 18 months, then it is likely that a game is going down the drain.
Something that many people here always seem to forget is that regular updates, especially for one person projects, are the only really reliable way to prove progress. If then nothing appears for over 18 months, then it is likely that a game is going down the drain.
if you really think the game has been abandoned then move on to another one, but some people can't do that, they like to complain over and over again, it's like a fetish, it fills their ego with pride.
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It's been apparent for a looooong time.
The guy doesn't care about any facts you present that show his opinion to be fundamentally flawed.
He just comes back and posts the same shit. anne O'nymous showed that he's been repeatedly doing it for months.
He even tried arguing about there being no evidence of a car crash. Completely disregarding how the "Burden of Proof" works.
He just wants to
- Jan 20, 2020
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If I want to be insane I can. Just because she has it paused now doesn't mean there wasn't monetary transactions before.
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- Sep 22, 2019
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True, but telling people they aren't allowed an opinion isn't the way to go about defending it IMO. Both of the hate notty/love notty sides are just throwing illogical arguments at each other. This isn't necessarily aimed at you, but this thread is really going around in circles now.
- Sep 22, 2019
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Was the reading comprehension thing a dig at me? that was the first time I've been in this thread, no one knows what my opinion about this is. The opinion of people who aren't supporting can carry SIGNIFICANT weight, because they point out the flaws the most, you need a balance. I do agree people take it too far, but if we only listened to people who were perfectly fine with 1-2 year release dates with remasters in between this game wouldn't be finished, which would be Notty's prerogative, but i think most people agree it would be better for all parties involved if this game did get completed.
- Jun 17, 2019
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You're delusional (or reaaaally naive) if you think what people could say here can make Notty change the way she works. No matter who we choose to listen to, it changes nothing. All this fuss is not adding any pressure on Notty to work faster and 'complete the game' because she doesn't even know about the discussions going on here.
- Sep 22, 2019
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No but it can change the way other people see the game and the developer, which affects support, which is more likely to affect her.
- Jun 10, 2017
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But your opinion don't matters. And I'm talking in regard of the context for this particular discussion. That you love the game or hate it, or more surely that you stand in between do not really change the issue.
Dragon59 have probably been a bit overwhelmed by the craziness generated by some, what made him write less precisely than he intended. So, please, let me rephrase it in probably better terms:
It's not that there's people who's opinions doesn't matters, but that the opinions are weighted. If someone who's a patrons say something, it have more value than if it's a random guy on internet. Not because one is more serious or whatever, but because one have shown, by his pledge, that he feel more involved to the project. In the same way, someone who would follow Notty on Twitter have more value that someone who time to time post on the thread here. He don't pledge, but once again he shown that he's a bit more invested and interested.
It's a stupid example, but if your brother come and tell you that your wife is cheating, you'll take him more seriously than if it's a perfect stranger who tell you this in the middle of the streets.
But yeah, like we are all just humans, sometime in the heat of the debate, and face to some %@$$@, you take a shortcut and end saying something like "you don't pay so who care". But it's not the exact thoughts, just the exasperation talking.
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[Sorry for the double post]
Oh, of course, she would be displeased if she lost support, and pleased if she gain more patrons. But do you really think that someone who freeze the pledges for eleven months, and will keep them frozen until the next update, would really change the way she works just because of this ?
She spent a lot of money since she started the game. She bought two computers, the last one with a GeForce 3090, she blown up a CPU and so had to buy a motherboard and a CPU. She use a ton of assets, that she bought. I have not a single doubt that so far she spent at least a bit more than she earned. Yet she freeze the pledges when she's not in time...
Oh, and she live in UK, a country that isn't really doing good in the current crisis, plus the car she had to have fixed, her that she had to have fixed. Even counting insurances, actually a bit more money wouldn't be a luxury. Yet, well, the pledges are frozen...
I guess that you mean by that "less support equal less money", but are you so sure that it would affect her ?
Oh, of course, she would be displeased if she lost support, and pleased if she gain more patrons. But do you really think that someone who freeze the pledges for eleven months, and will keep them frozen until the next update, would really change the way she works just because of this ?
She spent a lot of money since she started the game. She bought two computers, the last one with a GeForce 3090, she blown up a CPU and so had to buy a motherboard and a CPU. She use a ton of assets, that she bought. I have not a single doubt that so far she spent at least a bit more than she earned. Yet she freeze the pledges when she's not in time...
Oh, and she live in UK, a country that isn't really doing good in the current crisis, plus the car she had to have fixed, her that she had to have fixed. Even counting insurances, actually a bit more money wouldn't be a luxury. Yet, well, the pledges are frozen...
- Jun 17, 2019
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We're talking about a woman who has rejected to pocket around $15k in the last year. I don't think she would be affected by... what? a slower rate of subscriptions once she actually delivers the next update and starts charging again?
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, she had 223 supporters a year ago and now she has 230 -- when you aren't charged, you tend to stick around even if there's no new content. The update will bring in new supporters no matter how 'bad' this process made her look. Surely some of them will go if/when the development cycle starts to feel too long but I've seen too many worse offenders than her to know that nothing we're discussing here will have a sensitive impact on those figures. So yeah, in terms of development, this is pointless.
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For all the complainers and the defenders, really as a neutral observer I see no distinctions in the various screeching.
The fact is that that
- Game is Abandoned according to f95zone standards of having no updates (according to complainers 19 months)
- Patreon isn't charging money for 11 months (according to defenders)
- Developer is slowly working on it (according to defenders)
- Releases in software generally shouldn't take this long in modern times due to the need to keep customers happy, it's just embarassing when release cycles come in quarters, let alone years
- Pirates aren't customers
I'd say on both sides, you're wasting a lot of time and energy on a project that doesn't even belong to you. Customers should be lamenting on Patreon / Discord. People here are either Pirates or really no-life die hard Patreon supporters who wants to believe that their time and energy invested in the product isn't a waste.
My advice for a guy that's supported around 20 or so developers in the past year...
1. This dev have some skills in coding, writing, and rendering
2. This dev does not have good good release management / discipline
3. This product is above average
4. There's more and better games out there to waste your time on and actually get excited about. Check out my signature for some if you're OK with NTR.
The fact is that that
- Game is Abandoned according to f95zone standards of having no updates (according to complainers 19 months)
- Patreon isn't charging money for 11 months (according to defenders)
- Developer is slowly working on it (according to defenders)
- Releases in software generally shouldn't take this long in modern times due to the need to keep customers happy, it's just embarassing when release cycles come in quarters, let alone years
- Pirates aren't customers
I'd say on both sides, you're wasting a lot of time and energy on a project that doesn't even belong to you. Customers should be lamenting on Patreon / Discord. People here are either Pirates or really no-life die hard Patreon supporters who wants to believe that their time and energy invested in the product isn't a waste.
My advice for a guy that's supported around 20 or so developers in the past year...
1. This dev have some skills in coding, writing, and rendering
2. This dev does not have good good release management / discipline
3. This product is above average
4. There's more and better games out there to waste your time on and actually get excited about. Check out my signature for some if you're OK with NTR.
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September 2021 so yeah 19 months since last release.
The pace of updates is usually once a year? She does whole big updates rather than smaller monthly ones, but then she got into a car accident last year and the injuries from that precluded her from working at a computer until she got surgery for that. So you can't make a claim based on that.