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evileeyore

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My god, who needs/uses 35fps for animation?
People who dislike jank animations.

I think most VNs are pretty jank and don't play them because "jank animations plus terrible writting plus terrible 'gameplay' plus [etc]" means with absolutely nothing good going on in them, there's no reason to really bother once I hit some jank animations (and have already had a taste of the atrocious writing).



... rather the posts from people who think they are doing a good thing by trying to prevent a discussion about the miserable development progress.
Smashing haters is a good thing.

The whole thing is just pitiful to watch.
You can always go watch read something else.

It would have been a real help if the whole community had pushed to complete each chapter individually, instead of repeatedly attacking critics.
Help what? Help to try to force Notty to push out a janky product that they themselves would have hated? Probably causing them to quit developing altogether? No mate, that's the opposite of helpful, that's bullying.



I asked the How question because I don't think we have any means of applying pressure.
I've never understood how people could feel so entitled as to believe they deserved to be able to freely bully devs into doing things their way.



She is as much of a perfectionist as other people in this thread are relentless in their criticism of her perfectionism. Gotta admire those traits, I guess.
I admire Notty's ability to ignore the haters, I don't admire the bullies.



Getting a creative work to 90% is usually good enough and sets a healthy cap on the obsessive perfection creators can struggle with.
Agreed... but... 90% of what? Their own design goals? Sure. But then you have to realize Notty has set her design goals way above the gutter where many AVN developers leave their own goals.

If you mean "90% of great, so they hit 'good enough'", then... well... we have radically different ideas of what constitutes 'good enough', let alone what is 'great'.
 

Hullahopp

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I've never understood how people could feel so entitled as to believe they deserved to be able to freely bully devs into doing things their way.
You don't understand because you think like an empathetic adult. Use your imagination! Imagine that you are a spoiled, egotistical child who is convinced of the immense importance of your own person, and the picture will come together.

pure theoretical.. what if i knew some voodo magic, as some call it.. but won't use it because of balance.
Can you please use your theoretical voodoo magic to convince Notty to accept my f****g support? I've seen some of the stuff she's working on and her free work has upset my balance.
 

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Can you please use your theoretical voodoo magic to convince Notty to accept my f****g support? I've seen some of the stuff she's working on and her free work has upset my balance.
no can do. the required amount of invocation would upset the balance of the multiverse as a whole. it would be easier to paint a black hole white.

tl:dr Notty's just too big.
 

evileeyore

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Can you please use your theoretical voodoo magic to convince Notty to accept my f****g support? I've seen some of the stuff she's working on and her free work has upset my balance.
I know right? Like I back creatives because I want them to have the spare dosh to treat themselves, or you know, pay their bills without having to worrying. If I feel I'm not "getting my money's worth" I can suspend backing all on my own.

But I also respect her decision, so, eh... I guess I can't really force her into taking my money.
 

JSimon8668

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Getting a creative work to 90% is usually good enough and sets a healthy cap on the obsessive perfection creators can struggle with.
I understand your point here, but it is important to note that 90% is not a clear enough metric. Are we talking about 90% of the image quality, of the writing, of the effort put into reducing file size?

I would be perfectly happy with 90% of the frames in the animations personally, but I appreciate the time taken to get the writing as good as it possibly can be - I am sure there are people who like porn games to focus on the animation quality over writing instead. I don't care about file size, as long as there is a download link I don't have to subscribe to in order to download files of the size posted - but 90% effort on the file size could be the difference between people being able to download or not. I don't want to be in the 10% of people that would be acceptable to have not able to play the game.

I think it is safe to say, no one wants the dev to get through 90% of the content of a chapter and then stop because it is good enough. As everyone else probably is, I am fine with the dev dropping 10% of the kinks that are not my cup of tea, but would not be happy to see the 10% I am most into cut.

Plus the amount of content is an arbitrary number in the first place, so 10% cut gives you a new 100% to cut from - where do you stop cutting? We don't actually get to see the bits the dev wanted to include but didn't.

90% is not one thing, where the dev can just be like ok, got there and it is good enough. It is a series of small decisions that constantly require them to compromise on what they want to do. Some people are good at prioritizing which decisions can be a compromise and which cannot, and some are not - personally I would rather wait a bit longer for the game then have someone who chooses things that are important to me, like writing, as their compromise spot.
 
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xsssssssss

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"I want a clear run at Six if only to know how long a clean chapter will now take"
Not a comment that fills me with joy. Feels like a how long is a ball of string. Honestly I hope the so called project manager has resigned.
I love the promise of Notty's released work but definitely very tired of this tangled development.
 

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"I want a clear run at Six if only to know how long a clean chapter will now take"
Not a comment that fills me with joy. Feels like a how long is a ball of string. Honestly I hope the so called project manager has resigned.
I love the promise of Notty's released work but definitely very tired of this tangled development.
I think, It is a declaration of failure. There is not much more to be expected from this developer.

But, I'm already looking forward to the next excuse. :ROFLMAO: What I find most remarkable is how some people here still act as if this project has even the slightest chance of success. I wonder what they'll all say if there still isn't an update at the end of next year. Just ridiculous.
 

evileeyore

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I'm glad Notty will [be] clearing out the remaining work on Chapter Five before moving forward with Chapter Six. I imagine that will make Six a much nicer chapter to work on.
 
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"I want a clear run at Six if only to know how long a clean chapter will now take"
Not a comment that fills me with joy. Feels like a how long is a ball of string. Honestly I hope the so called project manager has resigned.
I love the promise of Notty's released work but definitely very tired of this tangled development.
Well thats what she's saying, she wants to find out how long that ball of string is without being distracted by redesigns and doing 2 chapters at once and other things. I doubt it'll happen, Notty picks up more sidequests than a JRPG but that's what she's shooting for.
 
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To paraphrase Taylor Swift - we are never, ever, ever getting another update
Oh don't be so completely negative drdredit !! We'll get one. Maybe not this year....but maybe next!

All us outside fans gotta stop and realize, Notty likes developing... she's not that worried about finishing anything...its the working on it that has her tail wagging... But sooner or later, she loses 'the fun' of living in that area of the world she's creating and decides to move on. That's when we'll get the update...when it's too dead for her to play with it anymore.

We'll get an update. Just not anytime soon. . .not this year, but maybe next year 5 will be done.
 
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French expression of the day: Tirer sur l'ambulance

Lately, some usual suspects thought they were wise enough to shoot a new burst at Notty thinking she was in a weak position..

I'll give you the bloody Notty's ambulance:
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French expression of the day: Tirer sur l'ambulance

Lately, some usual suspects thought they were wise enough to shoot a new burst at Notty thinking she was in a weak position..

I'll give you the bloody Notty's ambulance:
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Um... The proverb says: Curiosity killed the cat. Given that Notty is British and a former soldier... I don't want to know how the testing is going.


"The London firemen’s strike of 1978 made possible one of the great animal rescue attempts of all time. Valiantly, the British Army had taken over emergency fire fighting and on January 14 they were called out by an elderly lady in South London to retrieve her cat which had become trapped up a tree. They arrived with impressive haste and soon discharged their duty. So grateful was the lady that she invited them all in for tea. Driving off later, with fond farewells completed, they ran over the cat and killed it."

Campus Life, September, 1980
 

evileeyore

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In before the usual suspects pop-up to complain about a "content free dev update".

Notty updated. She did not get hit by a Dagenham Girl Pipers tour bus, though she may have stood up too quickly and had her legs pop off. Or she was stung by a bee. Unsure at this moment, will update if there are further developments.
 

I'm Not Thea Lundgren!

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In before the usual suspects pop-up to complain about a "content free dev update".

Notty updated. She did not get hit by a Dagenham Girl Pipers tour bus, though she may have stood up too quickly and had her legs pop off. Or she was stung by a bee. Unsure at this moment, will update if there are further developments.
It wasn't her that got hit by the Dagenham Girl Piper's tour bus, it was her PC. ;)
 
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evileeyore

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Honestly i'm more put out by her criticism of Mass Effect 2 in this update post. Disagree vehemently with her takes on that.
I'll wait and see what 'making progress' actually means at this point.
I'm more put off by her comment that ME2 was her favorite of the series. :sick:

I have to seriously reevaluate how much I love her going forward. :unsure:
 
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