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The reasons for delay have always been explained extensively in detail to her patrons and she refunds every month without new chapter even though nobody is asking for her to do so. ...
(Emphasis mine)

So much this. In fact, she is refunding patrons in spite of many of us asking her not to!

Now, it's not like I know her or anything (at least, beyond this message board) but when THE BIG SILENCE™ happened I was only thinking about the release for a day or two. Then the continued lack of her chattiness led me to be worried for her. Sod the game (awesome as it is), she's one of the friendliest, most outgoing people here! (Whether that's a put-on or not, I can't say. If it is, she deserves an Oscar or BAFTA or some such!)

To anyone who is worried only about the release dates: Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly while thinking the words "It will be ready when it's ready."

To anyone that is more concerned for Notty's welfare, do check out her Patreon page (maybe become a patron?).
 

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(Emphasis mine)

So much this. In fact, she is refunding patrons in spite of many of us asking her not to!

Now, it's not like I know her or anything (at least, beyond this message board) but when THE BIG SILENCE™ happened I was only thinking about the release for a day or two. Then the continued lack of her chattiness led me to be worried for her. Sod the game (awesome as it is), she's one of the friendliest, most outgoing people here! (Whether that's a put-on or not, I can't say. If it is, she deserves an Oscar or BAFTA or some such!)

To anyone who is worried only about the release dates: Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly while thinking the words "It will be ready when it's ready."

To anyone that is more concerned for Notty's welfare, do check out her Patreon page (maybe become a patron?).
Why don't you have such empathy for Gumdrop?
Are you asking about the release date of Dual Family: Act I Part X? Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly while thinking the words: "It will be ready when it's ready."
And if you are more concerned for Gumdrop's welfare, do check out his Patreon page. Maybe even become a patron? :sneaky:

Of course, currently I much more trust Nottravis than Gumdrop. But to be honest, it all depends on how things will go in the next months.
 
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Why don't you have such empathy for Gumdrop?
Are you asking about the release date of Dual Family: Act I Part X? Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly while thinking the words: "It will be ready when it's ready."
And if you are more concerned for Gumdrop's welfare, do check out his Patreon page. Maybe even become a patron? :sneaky:

Of course, currently I much more trust Nottravis than Gumdrop. But to be honest, it all depends on how things will go in the next months.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have never talked to Gumdrop, don't have a general dialog going with them, and I don't really like that game setting. I hadn't even noticed that it was behind before you mentioned it. It's not that I don't care about him or what he may or may not be going through, but I don't know him from atom.
Where as here, I love almost everything about the game, and have spent over half a year getting to know and love Notty and her quirky self.
 

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Why don't you have such empathy for Gumdrop?
  • I don't know Gumdrop, even in the limited realm of this forum.
Are you asking about the release date of Dual Family: Act I Part X? Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly while thinking the words: "It will be ready when it's ready."
  1. No, I am not asking about the release date of Dual Family: Act I Part X. I don't follow Dual Family.
  2. This is a thread for Heavy Five (H5), not any other game.
  3. Finally, I'm not the one in the H5 thread worrying about the release date of Dual Family. If I were worried about it, I would be in the thread for that game. ;)
And if you are more concerned for Gumdrop's welfare, do check out his Patreon page. Maybe even become a patron? :sneaky:

Of course, currently I much more trust Nottravis than Gumdrop. But to be honest, it all depends on how things will go in the next months.
  • I take it from your impassioned screed you are a supporter of Gumdrop on Patreon. As such, you are to be commended for supporting the content you like.
You do you. Shine on, you crazy diamond.
 
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Akamari

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Why don't you have such empathy for Gumdrop?
If you had arrived within the first three months you wouldn't ask this question. This was a thread like no other. Back then Notty was crazy active here and it was a friendly place of endless fun, silliness and lore discussions. If you'd like to know what Notty is like I suggest you peruse some of the first 300 pages. That's right. Of the 330 pages, 300 of them were made between January and March (like 290 of them before Chapter 2 even went public here; it took like 40 days before someone of 80 or so patrons leaked the links - that should tell you how much loyalty she can inspire).

I must admit I really miss those times. I understand Notty is busy with RL and I suspect there are other reasons as well, but I secretely hope this thread can at least partly return to its former glory.
 

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Ya know, I've been a staunch supporter for months now, but...here we are again. Not sure how much longer I'm going to be able to put myself through the cycle of hope and disappointment.
 
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Ya know, I've been a staunch supporter for months now, but...here we are again. Not sure how much longer I'm going to be able to put myself through the cycle of hope and disappointment.
Well, Chapter 2 was released like in the next hour if I remember correctly, so perhaps No.3 is on the way as I'm writing this. However, there had been heads ups few hours before that back then. This is worryingly reminiscent of that accursed 13th week, I hope nothing bad happened.
 
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If you had arrived within the first three months you wouldn't ask this question. This was a thread like no other. Back then Notty was crazy active here and it was a friendly place of endless fun, silliness and lore discussions. If you'd like to know what Notty is like I suggest you peruse some of the first 300 pages. That's right. Of the 330 pages, 300 of them were made between January and March (like 290 of them before Chapter 2 even went public here; it took like 40 days before someone of 80 or so patrons leaked the links - that should tell you how much loyalty she can inspire).

I must admit I really miss those times. I understand Notty is busy with RL and I suspect there are other reasons as well, but I secretely hope this thread can at least partly return to its former glory.
"You should've been there! You should've seen it!" - Terry Pratchett, Going Postal*

True words. This thread, this game and this dev are the reason I even started to post in the forum instead of just lurking around. I don't doubt that when chapter 3 is finally out, life will thrive again around these parts.

Same, but we do have TNJ now so she'd tell us if something were going down. Honestly, not a fan of Notty's lack of communication these days. Really miss her and having her give us the old play-by-play.
True words also. I guess since TotallyNotJane hadn't come to play with us, that means that nothing bad happened, and the release is on its merry way wishful thinking

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If you had arrived within the first three months you wouldn't ask this question. This was a thread like no other. Back then Notty was crazy active here and it was a friendly place of endless fun, silliness and lore discussions. If you'd like to know what Notty is like I suggest you peruse some of the first 300 pages. That's right. Of the 330 pages, 300 of them were made between January and March (like 290 of them before Chapter 2 even went public here; it took like 40 days before someone of 80 or so patrons leaked the links - that should tell you how much loyalty she can inspire).

I must admit I really miss those times. I understand Notty is busy with RL and I suspect there are other reasons as well, but I secretely hope this thread can at least partly return to its former glory.
2019-02-08:
Trying to do tears in Daz, good ones, is a bitch!

But the even better news is thanks to those lovely patrons, assuming they don't all cancel once they've chapter two!, a mighty 6gb card is in reach!

Which will make March update so much easier!
2019-03-19:

Nottravis said:
*goes back to finishing renders for Chapter Three*
2019-03-23:

Nottravis said:
Getting ready to welcome you back to Chapter Three
Just bug testing and the animations left :)
2019-03-29:

Nottravis said:
What is equally true is that I said you would get a chapter each month and you haven't. Alright, it was because I was really trying to push the boat out and give you something special this month with the new graphics card, but the fact remains that unlike last month you haven't received anything.
2019-05-26:
"When is the next chapter out?" Start of June. I refunded all my patrons everything from March to May so opening up the patron account and releasing it in June makes everything nice and neat from a financial perspective. Besides I haven't looked at Chapter Three in months and it will be good to play through it again to see if I spot any errors etc I didn't pick up in March. Please note however that Chapter Three is essentially what I did in March. The time gap doesn't mean this will represent three months work - having said that Three is considerably larger than the earlier chapters.
2019-05-27:
Having got out the old calendar (and taking into account next week I need to back at work for the first time in two months...which will be so much fun I'm sure). Delivery dates for each remaining chapter are as follows:

Chapter Three: 14 June 2019
Chapter Four: 26 July 2019
Note no chapter delivery nor patreon charge will be made in August
Chapter Five: 13 September 2019
Chapter Six: 25 October 2019
Chapter Seven: 29 November 2019
Note no chapter delivery nor patreon charge will be made in December
Chapter Eight: 31 January 2020
Chapter Nine: 13 March 2020
Chapter Ten: 24 April 2020

Following completion I'll be spending two months for retrofitting optional choices for the player such as being able to choose their gender and race and remastering earlier graphics.
2019-06-14:
Are these dates solid? The first chapter was promising. I hope this game will not end like Dual Family by Gumdrop Games.
Thank you. And no defo not a Gumdrop.
(...)
Mostly solid. Right now, I'm just tidying up minor errors in renders. I doubt most people would spot them tbh but after such a delay I'll be damned if I'm going to let anything out that isn't as a perfect as I can make it.
2019-06-23:
So, no update in this week. But what about the next one? Do you think it is doable? Or do we need to wait a little bit longer?
Her last Patreon post started with this...
Hi all,
So, all the spot rendering is finished and I'm trying to get it out this weekend.
There's still time, so perhaps we will still get the release "this weekend".
2019-06-30:
From the latest patron post:
TL;DR

  • Chapter is out for final bug testing
  • June patronage to be refunded
  • Release date confirmed for 6 July
  • Animations removed from chapter
I guess next weekend is gonna be busy :)
So, originally planned for March, postponed to the beginning of June, then to 14 June, then to 22-23 June, then to 6 July... Now we have 7 July, and still nothing. At the begging, she promised to release an update each month, but we already know that the last chapter was released on February 26, more than 4 months ago.
I really want to believe (in) Nottravis, but you know that this and lack of communication in recent weeks doesn't sound good, right?
Of course, I appreciate that she is willing to refund money, as opposed to e.g. Gumdrop, but it doesn't change the fact that the game has already suffered serious delays and the planned release dates are very uncertain at the moment.
 
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she promised to release an update each month
Not promised, intended. There's a huge difference. No developer promises a release, they project and anticipate, but only AAA games have hard set release dates. Don't get me wrong, I'm sorely disappointed (yet again), but I can't hold her to task for missing a release date on a free game. My patreon support doesn't have anything to do with the price of the game, that's just my support of the developer. That fact of the matter is that nobody is paying for this game, except Notty.

For now, I'll just stand by and see what news comes up in the next day or two.
 

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So, originally planned for March, postponed to the beginning of June, then to 14 June, then to 22-23 June, then to 6 July... Now we have 7 July, and still nothing. At the begging, she promised to release an update each month, but we already know that the last chapter was released on February 26, more than 4 months ago.
I really want to believe (in) Nottravis, but you know that this and lack of communication in recent weeks doesn't sound good, right?
Of course, I appreciate that she is willing to refund money, as opposed to e.g. Gumdrop, but it doesn't change the fact that the game has already suffered serious delays and the planned release dates are very uncertain at the moment.
I understand where you're coming from, but well, sometimes shit happens. Sure, I'd wish we'd be playing up to chapter 6 right now, but it isn't the case, and there's little to nothing we can do about it. You know the adage, "quality takes time". Right now, Heavy Five situation reminds me of two of my favorite games in here, The DeLuca Family and Doctor Amana. Releases might come later than expected, but you know that when they do come, you'll have a blast. In her last Patreon post, she did mention that a few things bothered her (especially the animation feedback in chapter 2, which is why she decided to stop doing animations) and she started to dread releasing chapter 3. I hope this is not the case anymore. Chapter 3 must come out before it becomes too heavy five a burden on Notty's shoulder.

The only thing I would ask Notty is for her to stop giving hard dates, because it sets an expectation and it's a double edge sword. I understand the need to give yourself deadline as a motivational kick in the ass, but if for whatever reason, you're unable to meet your own schedule, this becomes more stressful than useful (as anyone who ever worked in whichever industry can understand). Unfortunately, further delays for chapter 3 are starting to mar her reputation, as can be seen with the parallel with "less trustworthy devs" (note that I never played the mentionned games and have no opinion on their respective creators). We're not quite at the literary world level, with the infamous G.R.R. Martin or Patrick Rothfuss, whose wait for the "new release" takes years (I actually hate the argument of "look, it's worse elsewhere, so you shouldn't complain". Complaining is good, it shows you care about something).

As Akamari said very well, the first few months on this thread had something special going on, and even now, very few posts are about "when do new relese is ready pls?", comparatively to the rest of the forum. Chapter 3 will come, I don't doubt it. Lack of communication, which is really my biggest pet peeve about all that, can be explained by a lot of factors, such as real life taking its toll. Maybe she did set a bad precedent by being so chatty at first, and now we expect her to always be like that... Wiggling eyebrows sure are sorely missed.
 
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