I mean, episode 2 was delayed for a week or two because NotTravis realized she'd made a character's lipstick the wrong color, a detail many people wouldn't even have noticed, and redid all the renders for the character before releasing rather than put out a completed, if flawed, product and provide the corrected version later. If people want perfection, they've got to wait for it.
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I do not doubt, but at the same time I believe that even Gumdrop will release the next part of his game. Maybe this month, maybe next year, but it will happen sooner or later.
The only question is what delay is acceptable for fans.
In mid-March, she was finishing the rendering. On March 23, she wrote that only bug testing and the animations left. At the end of May she said that the Chapter Three is essentially what she did in March. Now she says that she gets rid of these animations from the chapter.
I know that bug testing and polishing work may take some time, but from our perspective not much progress has been made since March. I don't blame her for that, for sure she is doing her best, but I'm beginning to doubt the dates of future releases.
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate her work and I wish her the best, but I am beginning to doubt that she is able to meet the deadlines she sets. What's worse, the lack of communication doesn't work in her favor.
By the way, I am also a fan of Urban Voyeur by Cesar. The game is really nice and polished, but the long waiting time for updates makes me forget what decisions I made or even what exactly happened in the current game. Damn, I have already forgotten the names of some of the main characters. That's why I prefer games that are already completed or updated every month.
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The delay for that specific reason was 4 days.
First impression is important. Would you rather play half-assed bug-infested release? In this age when people are alergic to bugs and glitches like nothing else? Do you download updates again just for bug-fixes? I never do.
If she can make it better, she should. I want to play the versions she's happy with.
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There was a lot of work done since May. She expanded the Chapter a lot (it was 17 scenes originally, now it's 24) and she re-rendered about 70% of the renders to increase quality. The animations are removed because of hardware limitations that made them take too much time to make.
Now, I understand you may not know all that because a lot of information was posted only for the patrons and not reposted here.
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It's best to disregard those dates completely as that only creates unrealistic expectations. The useful information from that roadmap is:
1) - the game itself is planned out
2) - she probably plans to have breaks in August and December that won't be charged to patrons
3) - approximate time it would take to make each chapter if there are no problems (5-6 weeks).
Honestly, you shouldn't take these dates too seriously. One of the lessons learned from Chapter 2 was "No More Deadlines", and I hope Notty will remember that.
The current lack of communication worries me though, that I won't deny.
OK, fair enough. But it doesn't change the fact that I prefer games with more frequent updates. I don't want to play the game over and over again, just because I've already forgotten what has happened before. And this is unfortunately the case with titles where you have to wait several months for the next chapter.
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Chapter Two took six weeks to make with a weak graphics card and it is fairly large. Of those about two weeks were lost on re-rendering due to one set taking too much rendering time making it costly to use effectively in the future. That was before the level of support significantly grew over February and Notty decided to invest in a new card eliminating this issue for good.
Chapter Three was near completion in about four weeks as well.
It may not look it that way now, but Notty is very productive when it comes to actually making a chapter, so without all the hiccups and setbacks a monthly or near monthly update rate is possible.
I understand complaints, but I prefer not to look a gift horse in the teeth.
Even if you won't see it on a single playthrough, one chapter here has far more content than most games too, I mean, Kukothemadhatter, did you ever finish all of the endings just in chapter one?
The only thing I would suggest, is if she plans to keep giving out refunds for the months she doesn't get out an update, she out to just change it so it only charges when she puts one up, rather than per month (unless they removed that option with the last set of changes).
Personally, as long as she is okay, then I am happy to wait as long as she needs it to take, but then I am a bit of a perfectionist myself.
The only thing I would suggest, is if she plans to keep giving out refunds for the months she doesn't get out an update, she out to just change it so it only charges when she puts one up, rather than per month (unless they removed that option with the last set of changes).
Personally, as long as she is okay, then I am happy to wait as long as she needs it to take, but then I am a bit of a perfectionist myself.
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I still need to finish few endings in chapter one, but I won't since that path I won't go
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To my knowledge, once you enable charge up front it's no longer possible to make a change.
I can't remember, and it's all changed since I set my last one up, so I can't say...
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Charge up front is a permanent feature and cannot be changed; once you elect to charge your patrons up front, you cannot undo this. If you switch to charge up front from a per creation account type, you will not be able to switch back to charging your patrons per creation.I can't remember, and it's all changed since I set my last one up, so I can't say...
One more stupid thing done by the asshats at patreon.
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Now, let's be honest here, this is how you understand patreon and maybe even how it is supposed to work, but we all know that is not how the majority of patrons see it and not even how most of the creators see it.
If you tell people you will update monthly and let them pay not per update, but per month then you do indeed promise them something, yes, even without actually SAYING or WRITING "I promise" you make people believe that for the money they give you, they will get one release a month.
I'm really not someone screaming bloody murder when a game gets delayed, but what you write here is either just your personal understanding of the patreon or an attempt at deflecting criticism away from a creator you like.
And that's not wrong, but the thing is as valid as your opinion is, those of the others criticizing that no update was released is as well.
This game, Dr. Amana, DeLuca Family, I love these games and I don't say anything aiming to attack and insult the creators, but while there are valid reasons for the delays, the delays are still here, and both RomanHume and NotTravis have given release dates they haven't met.
I hope they have become wiser now and won't set a date, unless they are a 100% sure they will release an update at that point, but it is completely understandable that people, worry, ask and even complain in a situation like this.
Personally, I don't give a fuck about this amount of fixation on details if it delays release. It's her game, she's fine to do it, but that isn't something I would ever applaud or see as an excuse, unless they change stuff like that and still deliver on time.
There's a comic artist I really like(d), Travis Charest. His art is insanely beautiful and detailed, but he takes ages for it.
So long that at one point he just couldn't work in US comics any longer, instead he went to Europe and started working on a Metabaron book, more than two years later he still wasn't finished with that one book and it had to be completed by a different artist.
All the beauty and detail all the work he puts in his art just simply pale before the fact that he wasn't able to finish one GN of between 48-64 pages in several years.
I doN't hate him, still like his art, but I would never invest money into anything he does, until I have the completed product available.
There's no news from Nottravis since June, even on Patreon, and now we have July 8. Please keep in mind that she literally promised weekly updates on current progress.
So, does anyone know what happened to her? Is everything alright with her?
So, does anyone know what happened to her? Is everything alright with her?
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After the long dark a while back, Notty implemented an emergency broadcast system (aka TotesnotJane ). If she goes dark again because of illness or tragedy, then TNJ is supposed to show up and advise us of the situation, so as to avert panic. However, since there's no sign of Notty and TNJ has not given us a message to calm the masses...I guess it's time to panic.