VN Ren'Py Abandoned Heir Apparent [v.0.02] [SilkandMilkProductions]

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lordfridge9

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Let's hope not. He is a skilled artist and a passable writer (with delusions of grandeur), but he doesn't get how patreon works.
He thinks he is so great that people should just say "Shut up and take my money," but nobody else thinks that and so he becomes offended and acts as if it's a personal insult he doesn't get the money he expects.

You don't need to be a genius to understand that there are two ways in which you can get support on patreon.
One way is that you are one of the lucky ones, whose game fills a niche at the right time and you get a lot of supporters in just a few months, the other one is to slowly build up reputation and garner support by providing regular updates with a fair amount of content.

The first one didn't work for him, because while his skills were alright, even with his first game, he didn't really offer anything new, just the same stuff a few dozen games have, but looking prettier and with better writing than most.
I still think, in the end this would have been enough to gain him decent support if he kept at it long enough.
But no, he constantly demanded (not asked) for more money, while providing slow updates with little content. Threatening that if he didn't get the money he decided he needed, the game would be abandoned.

And that's of course where his brain short-circuited, who in his right mind would support a dev who won't work on his game, unless he gets more money? Most people want something out of being patrons, they expect something in return, but this dev straight up tells you, you can support me, but if I don't get enough money, I won't work on the game, despite the money you give me.
The updates don't come, so he loses supporters, instead of getting the fucking hint, he doubles down and works on the game even less, constantly complaining about not getting enough to his remaining patrons and threatening to cancel the game.

Which of course leads to even more patrons leaving, because they are not getting anything but constant complaining and threats for their money.

I mean, he might not be insane in the clinical sense, but this approach has to be the most irrational and stupid attempt at getting patreon support I have ever seen.

There are people who support games solely because they want to help the dev, for his talent, but even those would of course see that it makes no sense to support him, as nothing would come of it. Unless they gave him a few thousands a month of course.
Need to pin this to OP
 

losingeqinox

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Do you have wallpapers of Katarina character in the game? or Can anyone delete the man in the photo where he kissed Katarina on the neck in the pool? :love:
 

BarbarrossaNA

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Talent of Van Gogh.. and the personality of a rock.. Yeah both sides of the comparison are a bit of a stretch but you get the drift.. Very ham handed in his interactions with potential clients/patreon's.. the man drove away the very people who would support his work. Customer service definitely wasn't his forte..

The sad thing is with his level of talent if he had acted differently in his interactions he could be making the money he was looking for..

I'd say his best bet(if he wanted to continue) would be.. delete his Patreon and ID... and reinvent himself. Alienating the very people you want to buy your game just isn't good business. Delete and arise Phoenix like from the ashes.

I realize that this might not be the best example.. But imagine if you will.. 6 months worth of working on a game that's mainstream and a moneymaker.. say something like A.O.A. academy.. again that might not be the best example.. but I guess what I'm trying to say is if he's chasing the money.. that is the kind of route he needs to go.

And as you go down this route.. NEVER.. EVER admit that you were once known to this community as SilkandMilkProductions
 

rabbit1qaz

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Honestly, at this point whenever something new comes out and it has amazing renders...better to treat it as being abandoned by first 3 updates. If it survives after that... well, we'll see
maybe thats becouse of too many people do not support creators :) ?
 

Avaron1974

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maybe thats becouse of too many people do not support creators :) ?
It's because too many devs think this is an auto career.

At one point this was just a fun hobby, then people realised they could make money and they used it as a suppliment to their full time job, to earn fun money.

Then some devs hit it big and managed to make it into a career now far too many devs think they will make it big straight away but it doesn't work that way, it never did.

Even back when adult games were just starting, making big money was rare. Now, when the market is so oversaturated we're seeing remakes of long dead games the amount of money going round isn't enough to sustain every dev.

It's literally impossible for every dev to make a living doing this.

Simply put, this is not a career. Anyone doing this and expecting money is going to be very sorely mistaken. The average income for most devs is around 1k a month. Only a very small percentage will ever make more than that, many will earn a lot less.

The chances of making money goes down if you are an insufferable prick like this dev was.

The sooner new devs realise they need an actual job for a steady income the sooner they will get out of the delusion this will make them rich. Shit, most will be lucky if it buys them instant noodles on pay day.
 

Xumeey

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It's because too many devs think this is an auto career.

At one point this was just a fun hobby, then people realised they could make money and they used it as a suppliment to their full time job, to earn fun money.

Then some devs hit it big and managed to make it into a career now far too many devs think they will make it big straight away but it doesn't work that way, it never did.

Even back when adult games were just starting, making big money was rare. Now, when the market is so oversaturated we're seeing remakes of long dead games the amount of money going round isn't enough to sustain every dev.

It's literally impossible for every dev to make a living doing this.

Simply put, this is not a career. Anyone doing this and expecting money is going to be very sorely mistaken. The average income for most devs is around 1k a month. Only a very small percentage will ever make more than that, many will earn a lot less.

The chances of making money goes down if you are an insufferable prick like this dev was.

The sooner new devs realise they need an actual job for a steady income the sooner they will get out of the delusion this will make them rich. Shit, most will be lucky if it buys them instant noodles on pay day.
Ironically he could have been one of those that could make a living as a porn game dev if he only showed some patience and respect for his supporters. He had the talent at least. What a waste!
 
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Avaron1974

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Ironically he could have been one of those that could make a living as a porn game dev if he only showed some patience and respect for his supporters. He had the talent at least. What a waste!
That's the one sad thing about this devs downfall, it's all self inflicted.

We lost out on 2 great games all because the dev couldn't hold himself in check when dealing with people.

He has talent, that was obvious from the first release of Primal Instance and he was slowly growing a player base. Then he went and talked which fucked everything up. It's almost like pissing off the very people you want money from is a bad idea ... who would have thought?

You know what will make it all better though, abandoning the game the people paying you are actually paying for and expecting the next game to succeed.

Remember the good old days when sense was common?

It's like the world hit the year 2000 and decided "You know what, lifes been too peaceful lately, i'mma gonna fuck up all the things" and then in 2021 everything just went mad.
 

Avaron1974

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Releasing a game with High Quality and amazing renders doesn't mean they'll be a star in a day, If only he was patient more and more people will notice his project and support him.
That was the issue with his first game.

He was building a player base. It wasn't instant success because it doesn't work that way as most of us know. If he'd held on and finished his project he'd be making bank by now.

All he's proven is he isn't willing to do the work to build a player base. He expects people to simply hand him money because he can make pretty pictures.
 

Skylark3

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That was the issue with his first game.

He was building a player base. It wasn't instant success because it doesn't work that way as most of us know. If he'd held on and finished his project he'd be making bank by now.

All he's proven is he isn't willing to do the work to build a player base. He expects people to simply hand him money because he can make pretty pictures.
Yeah it was obvious from the start and the way the creator is demanding this and that amount of money for him to release the next update. was obvious this wasn't going to end well.

Shame would've loved to see this game be completed.
 

dolfe67

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He considers himself the best AVN dev and was salty to not quickly get a lot of money support like the other "good" ones.
 

Avaron1974

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They always make me laugh do the insta money devs.

They fail to realise most of those making the big bucks either worked to build their player base or got really, realllllly lucky.

Never fails to make me chuckle when they release a 0.1 and expect Fenexo levels of support. Took him years to get to 30k a month and these devs expect it by shitting out a basic release.

Makes it even worse when the people you want to pay you are the ones you keep annoying by being an arrogant prick.
 
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The D0n

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If they were after cash they should have gone the Steam episodic release route ... but it would appear this Dev wants wages rather than selling.

A shame because the Art and Story were good ..... but the "coupe" at the last chapter removed that difference from other stories on here, one of the reasons I liked Vis and Desert Stalker because your not playing a self doubting soy drinker with no "power" in a fictional setting.
 
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