How can one who dislikes NTR, who also has three women loyal to them, enjoy a game with brothels, strip clubs, gloryholes & sex clubs?

[hakarlman]

I've got to be sure, so I need to bring up this point one more time.

If you hate NTR, I need you to help me out and answer VERY honestly.

In the NTR playthrough, the women are gonna have the most FUCKED up things happen to them. It's so hardcore, so nasty, so insane; completely devoid of morality; just pure degeneracy of the worst kind; nothing illegal though and everything is consensual, but they get corrupted hard. (To be clear, there's no blood or bruises or rape, nothing like that. I'm talking about women just acting like sluts, having fun, but doing very degenerate things, VERY degenerate. They get very mean and cruel.)

If NON-NTR players look into the NTR folder, it could really upset them, because in either path you can romance the women and feel a deep attachment, there's romance music and everything; love the whole nine yards, but that was originally a conduit for CRUSHING the NTR player's soul in half and destroying him. In the NON-NTR path, the crushing of the soul never happens, it's the opposite, it's pure loving bliss and bonding.

Imagine you end up really liking the girlfriend, then you're like, "Hmm, wonder what she does in the NTR folder." THEN you go look and you're like, "omg, noooo!! I liked her so much! Why, why is she doing that? NOOOO!!! I'm so upset at the developer! He's such a f'ing asshole!" Have any of you guys who hate NTR ever had that happen? I know 1-2 in the thread might, but how common is it?

I ask because I genuinely am concerned for peoples emotional well being. I'm an older guy whose seen a lot of porn, so for me it's NOTHING but a crazy fun good time, but to someone between 18-25, it could REALLY upset them.

I do shit in the game that makes the characters feel very alive to build a strong attachment. The original purpose of the game was to make the NTR hit so hard that if you have a soul, it would destroy it completely and fuck up your mind beyond repair.

I feel like I got to password protect the NTR folder so NON-NTR doesn't get in there no matter what. Of course they could easily figure it out, but fuck. I'm not sure what to do.

I was thinking of making a folder structure like this:

NON-NTR --> LOVE & HAPPINESS

-> NTR
--> IF YOU HATE NTR DONT OPEN THIS FOLDER THE CONTENTS WILL DESTROY YOUR SOUL
---> STOP DOUBLE CLICKING THIS FOLDER
----> DUDE WTF PLEASE STOP
------> DO NOT OPEN THIS FOLDER IF YOU HATE NTR
-------> LAST WARNING - DO NOT SEND ME HATE MAIL PLEASE - I MADE A GREAT NON-NTR PATH JUST FOR YOU
---------> PRETEND THIS FOLDER DOESN'T EXIST BRO!!!

 

[ihl86]

I've got to be sure, so I need to bring up this point one more time.

If you hate NTR, I need you to help me out and answer VERY honestly.

In the NTR playthrough, the women are gonna have the most FUCKED up things happen to them. It's so hardcore, so nasty, so insane; completely devoid of morality; just pure degeneracy of the worst kind; nothing illegal though and everything is consensual, but they get corrupted hard. (To be clear, there's no blood or bruises or rape, nothing like that. I'm talking about women just acting like sluts, having fun, but doing very degenerate things, VERY degenerate. They get very mean and cruel.)

If NON-NTR players look into the NTR folder, it could really upset them, because in either path you can romance the women and feel a deep attachment, there's romance music and everything; love the whole nine yards, but that was originally a conduit for CRUSHING the NTR player's soul in half and destroying him. In the NON-NTR path, the crushing of the soul never happens, it's the opposite, it's pure loving bliss and bonding.

Imagine you end up really liking the girlfriend, then you're like, "Hmm, wonder what she does in the NTR folder." THEN you go look and you're like, "omg, noooo!! I liked her so much! Why, why is she doing that? NOOOO!!! I'm so upset at the developer! He's such a f'ing asshole!" Have any of you guys who hate NTR ever had that happen? I know 1-2 in the thread might, but how common is it?

I ask because I genuinely am concerned for peoples emotional well being. I'm an older guy whose seen a lot of porn, so for me it's NOTHING but a crazy fun good time, but to someone between 18-25, it could REALLY upset them.

I do shit in the game that makes the characters feel very alive to build a strong attachment. The original purpose of the game was to make the NTR hit so hard that if you have a soul, it would destroy it completely and fuck up your mind beyond repair.

I feel like I got to password protect the NTR folder so NON-NTR doesn't get in there no matter what. Of course they could easily figure it out, but fuck. I'm not sure what to do.

I was thinking of making a folder structure like this:

NON-NTR --> LOVE & HAPPINESS

-> NTR
--> IF YOU HATE NTR DONT OPEN THIS FOLDER THE CONTENTS WILL DESTROY YOUR SOUL
---> STOP DOUBLE CLICKING THIS FOLDER
----> DUDE WTF PLEASE STOP
------> DO NOT OPEN THIS FOLDER IF YOU HATE NTR
-------> LAST WARNING - DO NOT SEND ME HATE MAIL PLEASE - I MADE A GREAT NON-NTR PATH JUST FOR YOU
---------> PRETEND THIS FOLDER DOESN'T EXIST BRO!!!

Just archive everything into rpa (if you are developing in Ren'py). If someone goes to the trouble un unarchiving to see the images I would say they just assume full responsibility.
To be honest, I don't think a love route would be very believable for me in the environment you were describing earlier. If I wanted to be a Pimp and more I would also not want to romance any characters, it seems out of character and would not expect do to so in order to fuck them.

 

[paust.alex]

NON-NTR --> LOVE & HAPPINESS

-> NTR
--> IF YOU HATE NTR DONT OPEN THIS FOLDER THE CONTENTS WILL DESTROY YOUR SOUL
---> STOP DOUBLE CLICKING THIS FOLDER
----> DUDE WTF PLEASE STOP
------> DO NOT OPEN THIS FOLDER IF YOU HATE NTR
-------> LAST WARNING - DO NOT SEND ME HATE MAIL PLEASE - I MADE A GREAT NON-NTR PATH JUST FOR YOU
---------> PRETEND THIS FOLDER DOESN'T EXIST BRO!!!

It doesn't matter what you write, it won't change anything, because this content exists. You can't just close your eyes and imagine that it doesn't exist, because it does. The only way to try to satisfy both camps is to make characters free from any NTR, pure and innocent, who will never see another man's dick (lesbian content is also considered NTR), and characters with optional NTR. Because, first of all, it will be very difficult to sympathize with a hero who can allow his women to fuck with other men, and to sympathize with women who will agree to fuck with other men. The very fact of having this choice will put the hero and these female characters in a very bad light.

 

[slider]

I've got to be sure, so I need to bring up this point one more time.

If you hate NTR, I need you to help me out and answer VERY honestly.

In the NTR playthrough, the women are gonna have the most FUCKED up things happen to them. It's so hardcore, so nasty, so insane; completely devoid of morality; just pure degeneracy of the worst kind; nothing illegal though and everything is consensual, but they get corrupted hard. (To be clear, there's no blood or bruises or rape, nothing like that. I'm talking about women just acting like sluts, having fun, but doing very degenerate things, VERY degenerate. They get very mean and cruel.)

If NON-NTR players look into the NTR folder, it could really upset them, because in either path you can romance the women and feel a deep attachment, there's romance music and everything; love the whole nine yards, but that was originally a conduit for CRUSHING the NTR player's soul in half and destroying him. In the NON-NTR path, the crushing of the soul never happens, it's the opposite, it's pure loving bliss and bonding.

Imagine you end up really liking the girlfriend, then you're like, "Hmm, wonder what she does in the NTR folder." THEN you go look and you're like, "omg, noooo!! I liked her so much! Why, why is she doing that? NOOOO!!! I'm so upset at the developer! He's such a f'ing asshole!" Have any of you guys who hate NTR ever had that happen? I know 1-2 in the thread might, but how common is it?

I ask because I genuinely am concerned for peoples emotional well being. I'm an older guy whose seen a lot of porn, so for me it's NOTHING but a crazy fun good time, but to someone between 18-25, it could REALLY upset them.

I do shit in the game that makes the characters feel very alive to build a strong attachment. The original purpose of the game was to make the NTR hit so hard that if you have a soul, it would destroy it completely and fuck up your mind beyond repair.

I feel like I got to password protect the NTR folder so NON-NTR doesn't get in there no matter what. Of course they could easily figure it out, but fuck. I'm not sure what to do.

I was thinking of making a folder structure like this:

NON-NTR --> LOVE & HAPPINESS

-> NTR
--> IF YOU HATE NTR DONT OPEN THIS FOLDER THE CONTENTS WILL DESTROY YOUR SOUL
---> STOP DOUBLE CLICKING THIS FOLDER
----> DUDE WTF PLEASE STOP
------> DO NOT OPEN THIS FOLDER IF YOU HATE NTR
-------> LAST WARNING - DO NOT SEND ME HATE MAIL PLEASE - I MADE A GREAT NON-NTR PATH JUST FOR YOU
---------> PRETEND THIS FOLDER DOESN'T EXIST BRO!!!

As commendable as it is, I think you are trying too hard to cater to the irrational manias of certain people. It's impossible to make a game without a few basement "chads" raging over some small detail.

If you make two separate routes, nobody who is right in the head will complain.

 

[ihl86]

It doesn't matter what you write, it won't change anything, because this content exists. You can't just close your eyes and imagine that it doesn't exist, because it does. The only way to try to satisfy both camps is to make characters free from any NTR, pure and innocent, who will never see another man's dick (lesbian content is also considered NTR), and characters with optional NTR. Because, first of all, it will be very difficult to sympathize with a hero who can allow his women to fuck with other men, and to sympathize with women who will agree to fuck with other men. The very fact of having this choice will put the hero and these female characters in a very bad light.

I honestly can't figure out if you are just the best troll ever or you really feel this way . If it's the first option, kudos to you for the talent.

 

[Rythan25]

I love how the first answer is exactly what he said he DIDNT WANT (ignore them hurr durr) ROFLMAO !!!

As a NTR hater and proud of it, the answer if you paid attention to the so called "haters" in the MANY /sarcasm threads you saw them in, should be easy to figure out...

You said MC had 3 women loyal to him, but also shady crappy establishments... Simply do what most savvy people do... DONT mix business and pleasure !!

Have him run his strip club, whorehouse, and other crap without attachments... the girls that work there should be hot with no depth, we dont need to know if they have a sick mom, what their dreams or aspirations are... they are just there to be fucked by clients, and maybe the MC as he exerts power over them as a good boss should.

His life at home however HAS to be different, he can be a loving/caring husband that doesnt share his 3 women with ANYONE, maybe the women can get it on with each other while he watches and later joins, thats it. The 3 Wives SHOULD not get involved at all in his business unless its to make a deposit to the bank or some shit, they should not set foot in those establishments, let alone "be tempted" by that garbage lifestyle.

 

[ihl86]

I love how the first answer is exactly what he said he DIDNT WANT (ignore them hurr durr) ROFLMAO !!!

As a NTR hater and proud of it, the answer if you paid attention to the so called "haters" in the MANY /sarcasm threads you saw them in, should be easy to figure out...

You said MC had 3 women loyal to him, but also shady crappy establishments... Simply do what most savvy people do... DONT mix business and pleasure !!

Have him run his strip club, whorehouse, and other crap without attachments... the girls that work there should be hot with no depth, we dont need to know if they have a sick mom, what their dreams or aspirations are... they are just there to be fucked by clients, and maybe the MC as he exerts power over them as a good boss should.

His life at home however HAS to be different, he can be a loving/caring husband that doesnt share his 3 women with ANYONE, maybe the women can get it on with each other while he watches and later joins, thats it. The 3 Wives SHOULD not get involved at all in his business unless its to make a deposit to the bank or some shit, they should not set foot in those establishments, let alone "be tempted" by that garbage lifestyle.

You think a woman (let alone 3) attracted to that kind of pimp leading that kind of lifestyle is the type of loyal pure woman you dream of?
I dislike NTR a lot, but nothing takes me more out of a game experience like unrealistic plot and dialogue.
Also, them stepping in and helping would not be NTR, you can check NTR definition if you don't really know what it means.

 

[Rythan25]

You think a woman (let alone 3) attracted to that kind of pimp leading that kind of lifestyle is the type of loyal pure woman you dream of?
I dislike NTR a lot, but nothing takes me more out of a game experience like unrealistic plot and dialogue.
Also, them stepping in and helping would not be NTR, you can check NTR definition if you don't really know what it means.

The scenario itself is stupid then, and meant to be heavy NTR, why try to please an audience that dislikes it ? Go Full NTR... as there is no other answer... he is asking for choices so a certain crowd doesnt HATE his game idea... but if every answer is met with... "this doesnt fit", or "that is unrealistic given the scenario", or "life with no risk isnt worth living"... than fuck it.

Either dont give him 3 "loyal" women at all, as my idea of loyalty is she isnt tempted by fucking with disgusting black dudes, or disgusting old dudes, or disgusting fat dudes (they can NEVER be attractive nice people, they always have to be utter shit, and NO this isnt about racism, weightism, or ageism, so dont make it about that)... or just dont call them loyal, he has "3 main whores he likes" that still love slutting it up with filthy gross partners every now and then... And then let people decide if they want to see/read through that.

 

[paust.alex]

You think a woman (let alone 3) attracted to that kind of pimp leading that kind of lifestyle is the type of loyal pure woman you dream of?
I dislike NTR a lot, but nothing takes me more out of a game experience like unrealistic plot and dialogue.
Also, them stepping in and helping would not be NTR, you can check NTR definition if you don't really know what it means.

This is not quite true. For example Rocco Siffredi and his wife, I didn't see that she was starring with someone else besides him, and he still fucks different girls. I don't think he was the only man in her life, but still fidelity is possible in such a relationship, since they are still married. In addition, some girls like bad guys, because they think they can fix them.

 

[M$hot]

Okay, I tried, but I can't read through 7 pages and still keep my thoughts clear. I don't think I classify as a NTR hater per sé, but I do lean very heavily against it.

- On earning money, you are not the only strip club in town. But because you do it so well you're costing other stripclubs a bunch of customers, and your place is getting a little too crowded and security has a big task keeping control (they do though). Why not offer those stripclub owners to take their strippers through your training? You could either do this by yourself (from critizing their dancing to testing their champagne room skills) or have one of your love interests demonstrate. (Maybe you can even pretend that one of their strippers gives better BJs, so your LI gets jealous and wants to re-establish herself as 'best girl'.)
This is a way I could see making money in a strip club to be kind of sexy.

- Strip clubs need accountants, bartenders, cleaners, security (I've seen some intimidating women work as security, trust!) too right? Having 3 ride or dies is fun, but what if you find a woman somewhere that somehow gets to you? Initially you were planning to whore out the daughter of your enemy, but you realize it's not her fault, she too hates him, so you want to keep her protected? You could give her one of the non-sexual jobs. Hell, if she works security at the champagne rooms, she might come to you with questions if she can try on you what she saw some of the strippers do?
This is a way to keep your LI clean (if you want) and even add some more.

And I mean, the NTR scenarios you could impose here are also massive. Like you can later come in the club and overhear your girlfriend give a lesson 'okay girls, anybody can take a small dick (referring to yours), this is how you take a big one' which is then demonstrated by her and a dude. Bonus points (or minus depending how you look at it) if he's your friend, your brother or a rival. Or by making your LI jealous she goes suck one of the security guys that always had a thing for her as revenge.

For the 2nd part, NTR would infuse there just as easy. Always surrounded by sex and sexy people, she could just tap one of the strippers on the shoulder and take her place. Or walking through the hallway after grabbing a cup of tea and a dude drags her into the champagne room and offers her 5 grand to make it MFF. Do you pay her enough to say no to a super easy 5k? I doubt it. The appeal in taking a hole nobody else gets to would be as sexy to some stripclub patrons as it is to me when I'm exclusive with a girl in the game. So I can totally believe a customer would find it VERY hot to fuck the woman nobody else gets to fuck.

Hope any of that helped

PS: I want the woman to choose me, not be addicted/magneted/chained to me. Make it make sense. She loves me, I've always been kind to her, I was there when times were tough and she trusts me implicitly which leads to amazing sex so she's never lacking. But if I'm grinding stats, ignore her for 3 weeks after dicking down 10 strippers and I come home, she shouldn't be super willing to just get on my dick. OR she is into being cucked and only wants to prove herself more the more you stray and thus your sexual chemistry improves the more you stray. I don't know, just give me consistency.
Some women will accept nearly anything for (financial) security but that's certainly not all of them. Especially your aunt, she would love the hell out of you, but I'd need to read a goddamn good story to believe she'd willingly let you dick down the town and then get a BJ from her, knowing where it's been. And being submissive to someone 15-20 years younger? Maybe once both people are over 50, but not with 20 and 35.

A sexy ride or die chick that often gets horny? You best believe she has her pick of the litter after all. It might be sexy if sometimes one of them is hit on and either you or they can put an end to that right quick. Or (and now I'm just having a boner thought, so bear with me) some dude in a diner says 'damn girl, what that mouth do?' and she (without saying anything, just giving you a look) sits down next to you, takes your dick out and take it all the way to the balls while you make eye contact with him. Can even mock him or something by saying 'so this is kind of what that mouth do. But it doesn't do for everyone equally.' implying he can look but not touch. Stripclub owner and general criminal probably has a gun, so you could even force him to watch or threaten him if he tries to get up and join. But regardless how wild she is, you have to make me believe that there's a good reason she's with me. And for me personally, I'd hate if that reason has anything to do with fear. Fear of leaving, fear of being alone, fear of becoming homeless, few things kill my boner quicker. It's a fantasy game damnit, she has to love me (Not to say there can't be BDSM, but that's because of implicit trust that if she says the safe word, you immediately stop, release her and if needed, comfort her.)

 

[RaynHill]

I was gonna write something but post above me demotivated me.

 

[hakarlman]

Okay, I've figured out how to do a NON-NTR playthrough in my game. I will most likely not be responding to this thread anymore, because I'm gonna pull the trigger on the next stage of this game.

Please press like if you approve or respond to offer ideas and improvements.

Rough Draft

MC Thoughts: As you drive through town, you begin to realize how much you hate the disgusting cretins who live here. Nearly every guy you've encountered has been a complete piece of shit. You've seen too many poor excuses for husbands who neglect their wives, pathetic males who have to pay for lap dances at a strip club, or even more sad, pay for sex at a whore house.

MC speaking out loud to himself: "I mean, what kind of guy goes to a gloryhole to get his dick sucked? Fucking disgusting."

You think, the only explanation is that these are cretins, low life's, sub human animals that need to be put down.

MC speaking out loud to himself: "But, do I really hate all the guys in this town? Hmm."

a) "Nah, I can respect other gentleman players like myself, but the cretins have got to go."
b) "Yea, my patience has run out."

MC's thoughts: I'm gonna make some big changes in this town. It's gonna stir up a lot of trouble, so I'm gonna need to train hard. My girls are gonna have to train hard too. [OOC: there's a very good reason why your women fight with you, don't want to share spoiler.]

*story progresses*

STATUS: You've successfully shut down the brothel, strip club, sex club, sex arena, street prostitution, & gloryholes.

Overall, you've generated enough money to purchase a private building in an obscure part of town, serving as your [harem]: HQ, training center and pleasure den (where you dictate your plans for the city.) You've also earned enough money to upgrade it from selling buildings.

[ALL SEX SCENES FROM SHUT DOWN AREAS & BUILDINGS WILL BE RE-USED FOR THE MC'S HQ PLEASURE DEN, or other places where appropriate. Non-NTR will enjoy a minimum of 80% of the games sexual content. 20% of variance for differing fetishes. Often, in other games that try to do NTR and non-NTR, each side usually only gets to see 50% of the games content, which IMO doesn't justify a patreon sub. 80% minimum is good I think. From my personal experience, it's rare to like 100% of a games content, cuz there will always be at least 1 or 2 things you weren't into; so you end up skipping those scenes or avoiding them.]

This song will be playing constantly while I write and finish the non-NTR path. Originally I listened to this song for the PIMP PATH(share) , but it works great for the SADISTIC PLAYA GENTELMAN (harem) path; frustrated with the cretins who live in this town.

 

[Zaxs]

I don't hate NTR, netorare, myself is just hate the MC abuse that typically goes with it. I just don't like the undue suffer of, well, anything which is how netorare is usually linked with. Netori is, for the most part, ok with me because when the MC steals the girl the person that she is being stole from is usually shown to no longer really care for her.

 

[slider]

When it comes to NTR path, I hope there will be some sub-paths where the MC is humiliated by the girls and men but not downright hated/degraded. Some cuck love is appreciated!

 

[Kame-Sennin]

Imagine you end up really liking the girlfriend, then you're like, "Hmm, wonder what she does in the NTR folder." THEN you go look and you're like, "omg, noooo!! I liked her so much! Why, why is she doing that? NOOOO!!! I'm so upset at the developer! He's such a f'ing asshole!" Have any of you guys who hate NTR ever had that happen? I know 1-2 in the thread might, but how common is it?

I'm a guy who like NTR in the perspective of the one doing the stealing or the one who ntr'd guys (heroine perspective or female protagonist) but any NTR from MC's perspective and voyeurism don't like it , so in my opinion if you're planning to do both playthrough then make a balance, don't make the ntr scene better than non or make the non better than ntr but if you're main focus is Ntr-hater crowd then abort the plan of doing ntr playthrough. A very good example is the game The Guy in Charge and My Hunting Adventure Time, it has both ntr and harem playthrough but it has a balance, so even if I see images from NTR I don't feel any jealousy because I know that it will happen only if I as player force it to happen and the content between the two playthrough is fairly balance .

 

[woody554]

in the strong non-ntr camp here.

I don't mind the ntr renders nor route existing, I just don't want to be subjected to any of it in MY playthrough. I can also deal with the choices existing as a potential failure option for me (if I fail to win the woman, I deserve losing her), but it must follow logically from my choices. doesn't have to be spelled out in a warning popup, doesn't have to be a switch in preferences, but it CAN'T ever blindside me.

for example if I never agree to talk with my stupid forced wingman from next door, or always tell him to go fuck himself (and believe me I 100% will), he can't then suddenly appear in my life forcing me into a threesome with his mom. his mom is mine if I so choose, and she should try making it difficult to get her, but her idiot son has NO say in it. I don't even want him talking about it. if I reject him, he's out for good. there will be zero sex scenes for him, ever. death as virgin. that's the sort of logical story flow I require. the eric can't reappear once he's been banished.

I am fine with romantic rivalry though. I'm also fine with women I reject/ignore going their way and getting another boyfriend. but, and I can't stress this enough, there can NOT be any sex scenes including them in my playthrough. I don't mind them being as a couple in non-sexual scenes, just don't ever subject me to looking at them having sex. this for 2 separate reasons: 1) no ntr for me, but also 2) rejecting the woman was no accident. I don't want to see her, I don't like her. most often this happens because she's the throaway pussy from next door. she's too easy and I hate her for it.

that said, I wouldn't mind there being some even difficult way of winning her back, if I change my mind. but until I embark on such a side quest, I don't want to be reminded of her. what I'm getting after is I don't mind the possibility of cheating on her man. or manipulating her to leave him. just never show me him fucking her. never make me listen to him talking about fucking her.

about what you suggested in the early pages about categorizing women to 100% loyal and throwaway sluts. that seems like a workable idea for me. if and only if I'm the one choosing who gets shared and who doesn't. but still I don't want to see the shared women fucked. by men. lesbian is fine. at the very least the scenes can't be thrown in my face without my direct choice.

(like maybe I go knocking on the whore's door during working hours, she cracks the door only enough to look at me, smile, and tell me she's sorry but she's with a customer right now. then I get a menu choice for going in or not. that seems like a working fail-safe without touching the ntr. what I specifically want to avoid is forgetting there's ntr going on, open door, then having to click through something that turns me off from women for the rest of my life.)

the way loyalty categories are working for me though might not be the way you're thinking of, so I'll try to make it clear. basically what I'd do in such a scenario is keeping ALL the women I like for my private harem. for me only. that might not be decided by family relations, but who I'm interested in. which in my case would probably be the milfs and big sisters. if there's a little sister who wants his brother's cock she'll get throw to the wolves first no questions asked. same for 'default girlfriends' and throwaway pussy. personal preferences.

I don't care what happens to the women not in my harem, the reason they're in the harem is I don't care for them. they can be just numbers in a resource game for all I care. making me money by fucking dudes I never see, so I can buy nice things for my queens.

I'm not sure what you meant with the trick of switching mc to the ntr cuck, but any case where the POV changes mid-game won't work for me for reasons having nothing to do with ntr.

in the end the main point is this: seeing other dudes fucking is the biggest hardcoded biological turnoff for me. that is the core of it that can't be negotiated away, because it IS the turnoff. there is no way to make a turnoff not be a turnoff. it's like telling a straight guy he's stupid for not getting hard for gay sex.

there isn't a single tiny part of it attributed to 'ntr-haters being stupid idiots' like I saw so many kink-shamers in the thread pontificate, and I know most ntr-lovers get it because it's the same exact thing for them on the flipside. but jesus christ those other guys...

I don't know if this helps in building around the non-common ground, but I tried to lay out my limitations and how they could be stretched as honestly as I could. I don't expect you can make it work for people like me, but I can see you're determined to give it an honest try. I don't see what more anyone could ask.

 

[woody554]

like see? in 1 minute flat there's someone voluntarily flagging himself as an idiot clicking facepalm, because he can't read the topic line of the thread, nor can he differentiate between his personal preferences and other people's preferences. he wants everybody to have ALL his kinks and he gets to facepalm to anyone not sharing them.

 

[DawnCry]

like see? in 1 minute flat there's someone voluntarily flagging himself as an idiot clicking facepalm, because he can't read the topic line of the thread, nor can he differentiate between his personal preferences and other people's preferences. he wants everybody to have ALL his kinks and he gets to facepalm to anyone not sharing them.

That's normal don't worry. However one thing I have to say about NTR is that the risk of it and fighting it off is kind of satisfying, personally I don't like NTR as a fetish, but you know, having some sort of gameplay and beating the idiots by giving them the appropiate ending is something I fully enjoy, but for that to be enjoyable it needs to be as a challenge not options, basically gameplay related. I do prefer that games are oriented to having everything on but stats get locked by disabling certain fetishes compared to choices and stuff like that.

So partially you are more into my camp seeing that you can tolerate rivalry and even relationships if you don't have scenes of them, albeit I'm a bit more tolerant, if the MC doesn't act like a loser or a masochist I'm good lol.

 

[8bitOG]

Just wanna say thank you to everyone here. I'm still learning the nuances of all the different genres and threads like this help IMMENSELY in that regard.
Personally, NTR doesn't appeal to me, as I'm very territorial irl. The flip side of that, probably hypocritically, is that netori appeals to that territorial nature. To take something from someone else feels empowering, whereas to lose something to someone else feels degrading, which is something that doesn't do anything for me sexually. You could sum it up by saying I hate losing lol. Thus far, the options laid out have been wonderful as educational reading, and I'm honestly super excited to finally start to understand the finer points of some of the kinks.
Again, thank you all for helping a newbie out!

 

[DawnCry]

Just wanna say thank you to everyone here. I'm still learning the nuances of all the different genres and threads like this help IMMENSELY in that regard.
Personally, NTR doesn't appeal to me, as I'm very territorial irl. The flip side of that, probably hypocritically, is that netori appeals to that territorial nature. To take something from someone else feels empowering, whereas to lose something to someone else feels degrading, which is something that doesn't do anything for me sexually. You could sum it up by saying I hate losing lol. Thus far, the options laid out have been wonderful as educational reading, and I'm honestly super excited to finally start to understand the finer points of some of the kinks.
Again, thank you all for helping a newbie out!

It's fine if x or y fetish doesn't appeal for you, overall you will find in threads like this that even within a fetish there is a lot of opinions, some are devoted to the fetish, others oppose it and a lot of shades in the middle.

Of course the game each group wants will always be different, the devoted ones want their fetish to be unavoidable and focus on it, the ones who oppose it don't want it or at least make it optional, then you end up with weirdos like me in the middle that just want the challenge, if I had to name it then I'm a fan of "proving my supremacy", which requires the least used part of adult games, gameplay lol.