How can one who dislikes NTR, who also has three women loyal to them, enjoy a game with brothels, strip clubs, gloryholes & sex clubs?

[desmosome]

I strongly advise anyone whose making a NTR and non-NTR game to take your advice. However, I feel I'm an exception given my many years of experience in software dev and daz studio. Creating variations is something I can do very quickly. I would say that if the dev has lots of experience in both programming, rendering, and even writing, then he should attempt it, but if his/her experience is lacking then definitely take your advice.



I already have a scene somewhat similar to that. Here is how I handled it, I'm going to use your example:

[NON-NTR] You send your girlfriend to distract the guard. She ends up using violence or chemical means to subdue him after some light seduction; not touching him, not even flashing her breasts. The guard is knocked out and now you both go inside the warehouse. However, the thrill of breaking in has aroused you and your girlfriend, so you both fuck right then and there; let's called this sex scene: sexScene87

[NTR] You send your girlfriend to seduce & fuck the guard.... Invoke sexScene87varNTR ... See? I can replace the male character in the scene and the setting, then do a quick re-render. It's not a big deal. If you have a good methodology & hardware, the process is super simple and fast.

Sending your GF to seduce and fuck the guard wouldn't be NTR unless he didn't mean for that to happen. Netorase, swinging, sharing, prostitution, etc are not NTR and the site is doing a better job in not using the tag in cases like this lately. If the MC doesn't care about his LI fucking someone else, then it isn't NTR. NTR tag being used freely is a disservice to people actually looking for NTR. It would be nice to have a tag designed to signify the broader scope of non-mc sex, honestly.

Now about your scenario, if you really want to make a dual path game with NTR and non-NTR, the first thing you need to address is how you will make both type of MC fit into the general plot. This is harder than it seems. Often times, one path or even both suffers because of the need to provide set up for the other route.

If we take your example of a strip club setting, the Chad MC might corrupt and fuck all the bitches, including his family. Optionally, he might even whore them out for profit, because believe it or not, that is a power move and not cuck behavior. He could also use his Chad influence to make them work there, but no touching others!

On the NTR route, you would need to craft scenarios where the girls get fucked and corrupted against his wises. It kinda makes sense for it to happen at a strip club, but it begs the question... why did he put his loved ones there then? You can try to make more and more justification and write a separate script for each route. Maybe his family is in debt and his mom and sis had to work there to make ends meet. You can make it work on both routes, but it isn't as easy as swapping out the male in a scene. It almost becomes 2 separate games if you really want to keep things believable on both routes.

 

[Lerd0]

Sending your GF to seduce and fuck the guard wouldn't be NTR unless he didn't mean for that to happen. Netorase, swinging, sharing, prostitution, etc are not NTR and the site is doing a better job in not using the tag in cases like this lately. If the MC doesn't care about his LI fucking someone else, then it isn't NTR. NTR tag being used freely is a disservice to people actually looking for NTR. It would be nice to have a tag designed to signify the broader scope of non-mc sex, honestly.

I wish this forum used VNDB tags, there's so many tags missing, and the ones we have aren't properly used.

 

[desmosome]

How about real life?
In a gogo bar in Pattaya I have fingered my wife under her dress on elevated bench seats while having two girls suck my dick in view of probably thirty guys. I couldn't care less about those guys at the time because I know 100% that none of them would ever interact with my wife(many other similar examples). She would never ever even consider it, she is the one that is pushing me to interact with other partners not the other way round.
It took several years of her hints before I even got it tbh, constant wanting her friends to sit on my lap and saying they could "borrow me", I am really oblivious to flirting until my dick is being groped.
It wasn't until our first trip to Thailand where she flat out told me to not come back to the hotel room until I had sex with a bar girl and she literally said that in front of the bar girl we were talking to at the time that I finally got it.

I would 100% never ever cheat on my wife even though I have had literally hundreds of sexual partners while with her which is why your(and majority NTR games) concept of make a mistake and your partner cheats on you is so terribly unbelievable to me!
I would never want her to have sex with a man because that would make me jealous therefor no go, but I have had foursomes with ladyboys(only ones I would actually fuck so really feminine) and I took her to soapy and nuru massage plenty of times although she isn't really into girls but moderately enjoys it.
She likes me talking about fucking other people and wants filthy hard core sex afterwards, she is also a squirter.

I really don't get NTR.

What a life lol. Anyways, your life is not NTR. Neither is your wife's. She could be called a cuckqueen, but I'm not sure if that implies some negative emotions from her like insecurity or low self esteem like it does for male cucks. It sounds more like a hotwifing scenario but with reversed genders. Hothusbanding...? lol. Basically a positive experience all around for all parties.

 

[desmosome]

I wish this forum used VNDB tags, there's so many tags missing, and the ones we have aren't properly used.

We don't even need to get that specific. 4 tags instead of 1. That's all we need for both helping people search for, or avoid certain games.

NTR, netorase, netori, and "non-mc sex." Are we so scared of tag inflation that we can't add 3 more tags?

 

[Lerd0]

We don't even need to get that specific. 4 tags instead of 1. That's all we need for both helping people search for, or avoid certain games.

NTR, netorase, netori, and "non-mc sex." Are we so scared of tag inflation that we can't add 3 more tags?

Yeah it would be nice, as much as i love the NTR shitstorms sometimes it does get tiresome, so anything to help mitigate it would be good.
I think the staff has no idea what they want this forum to be.

 

[bobdickgus]

What a life lol. Anyways, your life is not NTR. Neither is your wife's. She could be called a cuckqueen, but I'm not sure if that implies some negative emotions from her like insecurity or low self esteem like it does for male cucks. It sounds more like a hotwifing scenario but with reversed genders. Hothusbanding...? lol. Basically a positive experience all around for all parties.

She is definitely a cuckquean but I have literally zero desire to in anyway humiliate her(which seems par for the course according to games here), absolutely the opposite in fact, she is amazing!

 

[paust.alex]

Optionally, he might even whore them out for profit, because believe it or not, that is a power move and not cuck behavior.

No, you're wrong. Believe it or not, this is cuck behavior, it's just that you're not going to be an omega- or beta-cuck, but an alpha-cuck. No matter what circumstances lead to this, but when another dick appears next to the girl who was with you or is going to be with you in the future, you become a cuck.

 

[Lerd0]

No, you're wrong. Believe it or not, this is cuck behavior, it's just that you're not going to be an omega- or beta-cuck, but an alpha-cuck. No matter what circumstances lead to this, but when another dick appears next to the girl who was with you or is going to be with you in the future, you become a cuck.

U heard it here first, pimps be cucks yo.

 

[AdventAnyx]

If I had a choice to walk blindfolded through the minefield in Iraq or try and create a game about brothel without offending NTR-haters, I'd only had one question:
Where's my blindfold?

 

[Deleted member 111545]

and both MEN and women can see how wet she is, as you both walk down the street.

i think is all about if they get near her and touch her in some way, then i would be like ok fuck this

. You also notice men looking at your bulge in shock, then immediately look down or away, as if they're intimidated or jealous.

it would be hilarously good and not gay at all

Would you want those parts to be turned off where male NPC talk about your girlfriend constantly, saying, "dude, your girlfriends tits are fucking perfect, I'd love to stick my dick inbetween them." Then, you get the option to respond in various ways; violence, witty, deceit, crazy. Is that too much or too intense? Please be BRUTALLY HONEST.

Not at all dude, if they talk about her it would only make her more desirable, since they dont get to even touch her, and you obviously do plus the options of responding with a witty comment or violence would only make it way better
Like the whole concept of having something that other people want in a way, but they cant and wont get, is good and ntr hater friendly

The joker video kinda tip toes around the edge with her being on his lap and allowing her to touch her but the comeback was good
if i knew nothing about the game and i see that i would be extremly suspicious of the intention of the dev

 

[chainedpanda]

I do hate NTR, I don't believe I am someone who complains about NTR a lot, but I do complain about people complaining about people complaining about NTR, and find people begging for NTR in games without NTR annoying.
That said, I'm also a fan of management games. I do often find myself playing brothel sims despite my distaste for the kink. The difference is the disconnect of the characters.

Take Free Cities as an example. It is purely numbering base, I associate each character as a series of numbers not a person on my screen. While I don't even bother with games like Monster Girl Bi frost which focuses on individual characters rather than a series of numbers. Even games like Brothel King and Jack-O-Nine-Tails turn me off due to the fact I end up wanting to train the girl for my personal benefit rather than pleasing others. This is primarily because during the purchase phase I am more focused on selecting girls which traits or personalities that I would find most appealing for myself. Why train the perfect waifu just to have her serve a bunch of invisible bastards?

Even in games like Mythic Manor which has a few characters associated with sex work, I have a habit of seeing them as my least favorite characters. Often finding myself following their path to be a chore as I click through absentmindedly or just trying to rush through the scenes without reading it at all.

In the scenario you mentioned, how could you make your game appealing for me? Honestly, It's unlikely you can. If you somehow disconnected the characters with storylines from the brothel, and only made the brothel a side venture or primary means of making money, then maybe. Yet, by doing this you would likely make your entire game feel clunky, chaotic or unorganized. Causing me to dislike the game anyway.

The only scenario that I could come up with is that the MC inherited the sex working business from his parents, but he generally doesn't want them and only does it for a source of income. He meets other women outside the sex work industry and the characters see him as a sleaze bag. The story revolves around the protagonist attempting to convince them otherwise. Yet, this would mean the girls aren't related to the sex industry, annoying the NTR fans.

Yet, the real truth is that you can't win in this scenario. On one side, if you add anything that resembles the girls getting involved with the sex work, you'll annoy NTR haters. If you don't you'll annoy NTR fans, and if you do either, or don't make a game at all, those who hate NTR haters will continue to complain anyway. So, why bother? In the end you will always end up with every one in the three categories complaining anyway.

 

[hakarlman]

I do hate NTR, I don't believe I am someone who complains about NTR a lot, but I do complain about people complaining about people complaining about NTR, and find people begging for NTR in games without NTR annoying.
That said, I'm also a fan of management games. I do often find myself playing brothel sims despite my distaste for the kink. The difference is the disconnect of the characters.

I love brothel management games, but I've NEVER found a good one. They're all too disconnected from the girls. You can never watch the girls having sex or getting gangbanged. It's make no sense. You can't even hire your mom, sister or aunt to work there. You can't even piss in the women's mouth. You can't do anything fun, wicked or depraved. The brothel owners are completely vanilla boring guys with zero imagination.

Oh wait , you know what game was semi good? Something Unlimited. I was hoping that Harley Quinn could eventually work in the bordello, that would be sweet. It fits her character perfectly to be a complete and utter whore.

Even games like Brothel King and Jack-O-Nine-Tails turn me off due to the fact I end up wanting to train the girl for my personal benefit rather than pleasing others.

BINGO. That's it! A girl comes in needing a job. She's an innocent college girl. Instead of whoring her out, you end up liking her a lot and train her up for your personal benefit. That's something I can add to my game. That idea IS EXACTLY what I was looking for. Now, your mother works at the brothel, but you don't let anyone fuck her; she's not a sex worker, but she can optionally wear very sexy clothing. When this new girl comes in for her first day on the job; just to be trained for you only, you have to teach the new girl how to fuck properly. So the first thing you do is invite your mother and the new girl into a room in the brothel. You're giving the new girl a very thorough description of how she should act and how to please the customer, as you're penetrating your mother. The new girl watches like, "omg. he's fucking his mom right in front of me." but you're acting like you're just genuinely teaching the new girl about sex techniques and how to act to make the customer happy. Your mom is just spread eagle and your pumping her pussy, showing the new girl special moves.

You like this girl so much, that you're willing to fuck your mothers pussy and put her pussy juice into the college girls tight pussy and back & forth. It's very romantic, it's like your accepting her into the family.

This is primarily because during the purchase phase I am more focused on selecting girls which traits or personalities that I would find most appealing for myself. Why train the perfect waifu just to have her serve a bunch of invisible bastards?

I agree, I never understood the point of training the girls to serve invisible customers. It makes zero sense.

Even in games like Mythic Manor which has a few characters associated with sex work, I have a habit of seeing them as my least favorite characters.

So it's an actual turn off to know they're whoring out. I see.

In the scenario you mentioned, how could you make your game appealing for me? Honestly, It's unlikely you can.

We just did. All thanks to your help, you gave me the idea to keep one of the whores at the brothel as the owners personal benefit girl. He takes her under her wing and trains her up. The fact that you hate NTR, but you're okay with that scenario makes it the ideal enjoyment for non-ntr fans! If you want to expand on that idea, please let me know.

If you somehow disconnected the characters with storylines from the brothel, and only made the brothel a side venture or primary means of making money, then maybe.

That is confusing. I'm doing the opposite. You'll be extremely invseted into three of the girls, of whom you don't have to share, but they're constantly part of your sinful life, constantly around all the lecherous stuff that happens, because the whole city is really messed up.

The only scenario that I could come up with is that the MC inherited the sex working business from his parents, but he generally doesn't want them and only does it for a source of income. He meets other women outside the sex work industry and the characters see him as a sleaze bag. The story revolves around the protagonist attempting to convince them otherwise. Yet, this would mean the girls aren't related to the sex industry, annoying the NTR fans.

Nah, let's go with your original idea to train up one of the girls for your own personal benefit!

Yet, the real truth is that you can't win in this scenario.

I just did. Thanks to your idea.

On one side, if you add anything that][ resembles the girls getting involved with the sex work, you'll annoy NTR haters. If you don't you'll annoy NTR fans, and if you do either, or don't make a game at all, those who hate NTR haters will continue to complain anyway. So, why bother? In the end you will always end up with every one in the three categories complaining anyway.

You can have sex with your mother, sister & girlfriend in the brothel, and you don't have to share them with anyone. I was thinking you could just keep the brothel closed and turn it into a personal sex den. THere are other ways to make $$$. Hmm, it sounds like you want to play a good guy, a hero? Someone else wanted to do that too. Gosh, the setting of the game is IDEAL for the player to actually be the good guy. I never thought about that. I was actually thinking about adding a good path, where you can be a helpful person in the city. Then it would justify shutting down the brothel and the strip club. That could totally work, but how is being the good guy erotic though?

 

[DingoDeer]

I will give you some answer:

1. people sometimes like to think that mc on games is the reflection of themself.
and a lot of people hate to share their couples. hell, some will straight up punch you in the fucking mouth if you touch theirs.

2. people start to find NTR games is always repeat their story from one game to another.
- WILD BLACK DUDE APPEAR
- WILD BLACK DUDE USE 100 YARD DICK
- IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!

3. the reasoning how NTR situation firstly appears is sometimes stupid as hell.
women tend to sell themselves for a problem that their brains can solve, and people hate that.
yes some of them are stupid as hell (men too, don't get me wrong) but god damn, stupid people will get on their nerves.

4. some of us have similar backstory and trauma about cheating, this will trigger some pain in their heart.

5. you know that people usually treat porn games as a way to escape reality?
imagine if you run for that to become a BETACUCK omegalul

6. good NTR games tend to have some depressing "aftertaste"
and people hate that.

that is all I can think about. for me, I can understand why people like this kind of game.
hell, sometimes if I run out of games, I will play some of NTR games, the avoidable ones.
since it is good to know there is something in the game universe to not letting ntr happen.

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didn't read the full question, sorry...
maybe if the game management game that basically controls everything and makes you feel like a god, and then has a possibility to sell your "woman" will have a what-if scenario that will force you to sell your favourite one?
anxiety perhaps? or maybe insecurity?

 

[DingoDeer]

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[chainedpanda]

BINGO. That's it! A girl comes in needing a job. She's an innocent college girl. Instead of whoring her out, you end up liking her a lot and train her up for your personal benefit. That's something I can add to my game. That idea IS EXACTLY what I was looking for. Now, your mother works at the brothel, but you don't let anyone fuck her; she's not a sex worker, but she can optionally wear very sexy clothing. When this new girl comes in for her first day on the job; just to be trained for you only, you have to teach the new girl how to fuck properly. So the first thing you do is invite your mother and the new girl into a room in the brothel. You're giving the new girl a very thorough description of how she should act and how to please the customer, as you're penetrating your mother. The new girl watches like, "omg. he's fucking his mom right in front of me." but you're acting like you're just genuinely teaching the new girl about sex techniques and how to act to make the customer happy. Your mom is just spread eagle and your pumping her pussy, showing the new girl special moves.

You like this girl so much, that you're willing to fuck your mothers pussy and put her pussy juice into the college girls tight pussy and back & forth. It's very romantic, it's like your accepting her into the family.

I am still weary of this idea because of the fact it's so invested in the brothel. She may be innocent, but she comes to a brothel for work? That seems like a bit of a miss match. On top of that, you claim to train her for the player, yet her training revolves around pleasing the customers? What does that even mean?

While having the girl watch you fuck your mother could be hot, I fear that the fact the setting is a brothel would turn me off already.

You can have sex with your mother, sister & girlfriend in the brothel, and you don't have to share them with anyone. I was thinking you could just keep the brothel closed and turn it into a personal sex den. THere are other ways to make $$$. Hmm, it sounds like you want to play a good guy, a hero? Someone else wanted to do that too. Gosh, the setting of the game is IDEAL for the player to actually be the good guy. I never thought about that. I was actually thinking about adding a good path, where you can be a helpful person in the city. Then it would justify shutting down the brothel and the strip club. That could totally work, but how is being the good guy erotic though?

I don't necessarily believe every MC has to be the good guy, in fact I'm a bit of a bastard with a sadist side to me. So I enjoy a bit of asshole in my protagonists. In addition, the other thing you'e said makes me believe you are somewhat the same. So, how about something like this?

A city that is dominated by drugs and crime, ruled by gangs. Your father was a high ranking member of one of these gangs. Upon his death, he left everything he owned to you, which includes your brothel.
The protagonist is a possessive asshole who doesn't like to take orders from anyone, nor does he like to share his belongings. When he received the brothel, which is in the turf of your fathers old gang, he rebels against them. Causing the main story to be the protagonist vs the top gangs within the city.

As for the brothel, you could use this as a punishment location. The enemy gangs may have women in high positions, or may have bitchy/arrogant wives, or slutty daughters. As an insult to your enemy, you capture them and force them to work in the brothel. While gathering your own personal toys not associated with the brothel. Your personal toys could work in related fields which help you take down your enemies. Like your mom could be the manager of some location which helps bring in cash, your sister could be a hacker, that kind of thing. Allowing them to be a part of the story but not the brothel itself.

 

[xoxo]

Make all the prostitutes the MC's family members and try to go for the hate-incest hate-ntr crowd
Or make all the prostitutes really ugly and focus on other characters for the story-love-sex scenes

Honestly tough, that's a battle you can't win. Any somewhat rational answer you get here are from the moderate players who can enjoy NTR or at least differentiate what's really NTR and what's not, but those are not the NTR-Haters you're so afraid of.
NTR is just one of those tags you have to go all-in or maybe don't go for it at all.

NTR games seems to find more success with female protagonists, so that's an option. Make the MC a badass Madam - I'd like to see this one.
Going Brothel + Harem + NTR is just going full NTR, forget the people who hate it. Most NTR-haters don't pay for games anyway, because they always find some excuse to hate your game and because of that you don't deserve their money, even if they play every new version of it

 

[hakarlman]

I am still weary of this idea because of the fact it's so invested in the brothel. She may be innocent, but she comes to a brothel for work? That seems like a bit of a miss match. On top of that, you claim to train her for the player,

She decides to work at the brothel because the money is good from what she hears. It's hard to earn money in general in the city she's in. She's desperate perhaps. If you can think of a better angle that you like, let me know. Something that won't come off as NTR in anyway, but involves the brothel.

Oh, perhaps she was coerced into taking a job at the brothel. When she gets to the brothel you discover she's getting a job there under the dourest of someone tied to the brothel. You realize that since you recently took control of the brothel, you realize things need to change? So you end up saving her perhaps, but if you still want to be an evil sadist, then you save her only because she's vulnerable, and you want to make her your personal sex servant, and corrupt the hell out of her, but only for your pleasure? So you come off as the nice savior, but your end game is personal sex slave/servant; of her own free will though. I can imagine an evil sadist MC, "aww, that's terrible girl. i can't believe he'd force you to do that. you'll be safe with me, I'll take good care of you."

yet her training revolves around pleasing the customers? What does that even mean?

Good catch. I was typing fast and didn't change that. Okay, instead of the MC saying she'd please the customers, he'd talk about he would train her for his personal use and still help her out financially? Sound better?

While having the girl watch you fuck your mother could be hot, I fear that the fact the setting is a brothel would turn me off already.

Once you acquire the brothel, you'll be able to change it something like a personal sex den. Enough people have voiced their opinion for me to justify the change. I can also make the change while still using 90% of existing assets, so it's efficient.

Side note, it sounds like you want to play a kind of good guy or hero, that's cool? Actually, no, scratch that. .... CHAOTIC NEUTRAL. I need to ingrain this mentality in my head as I revise and revise the non-ntr route:

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" A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn't strive to protect others' freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer). A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it. "

I don't necessarily believe every MC has to be the good guy, in fact I'm a bit of a bastard with a sadist side to me. So I enjoy a bit of asshole in my protagonists. In addition, the other thing you'e said makes me believe you are somewhat the same. So, how about something like this?

Indeed. I want the dominant MC to optionally be an evil sadist.

A city that is dominated by drugs and crime, ruled by gangs. The protagonist is a possessive asshole who doesn't like to take orders from anyone, nor does he like to share his belongings. .................. Causing the main story to be the protagonist vs the top gangs within the city............ As for the brothel, you could use this as a punishment location [BROTHEL CONVERTED INTO HIDEOUT, CAPTURE, SEX DEN - CAN REUSE 90% of assets with slight variation that would take about 20 minutes to create].

Hah, nice! Did you steal my script off my computer? I edited your words a bit to show what I can leave in and do. I love your ideas. I excluded some parts, but kept the ones I can definitely do.

The enemy gangs may have women in high positions, or may have bitchy/arrogant wives, or slutty daughters. As an insult to your enemy, you capture them and force them to work in the brothel.

Fantastic. This is what I have planned, except the forcing part, that would violate patreon rules unfortunately. I want to avoid any kind of rape or forcing and instead rely on the MC's incredible ability to SEDUCE, persuade, manipulate, debate and win people to his side of their own free will; which would be the ultimate insult to your enemy; like you said, corrupt his daughter, make her side with you of her own free will, and your enemy will be sooo angry that you got his own daughter to betray him using nothing but your social status, power, crew and mad game; all the things that make a true playa and alpha male; IMO. There will still be massive amounts of sadism, but consensual, but not in a way that's an erotic turn off.

While gathering your own personal toys not associated with the brothel.

Yes! This is what I have planned for the MC non-ntr route.

Your personal toys could work in related fields which help you take down your enemies. Like your mom could be the manager of some location which helps bring in cash, your sister could be a hacker, that kind of thing. Allowing them to be a part of the story but not the brothel itself.

If your mom works as a manager, it's important a sexual scenario exist in relation to her manager status, that also reflects on the game in a sinful environment. I want to avoid creating a scenario that divides itself from the main, sinful theme of the game.

What environments do you typically want the MC to have sex in? I try to avoid the bedroom as much as possible, but bedroom sex will exist though.

Hmm, the sister being a hacker is a non-sexual ideal. Hmmm. Of course, a non-sexual profession could indicate innocence, and of course, corrupting innocence is very erotic. I've actually already decided her profession, but I want to keep it a surprise. I've already figured out a non-ntr route for her profession, but it involves A LOT of exhibitionism, which then leads to other women seeing your big dick and sexual expertise, which opens the door for you to seduce them away from their husbands/boyfriends; LOTS of netori.

 

[chainedpanda]

Oh, perhaps she was coerced into taking a job at the brothel. When she gets to the brothel you discover she's getting a job there under the dourest of someone tied to the brothel.

How do you plan to incorporate the brothel to change into the game? Is it an option in settings/opening like many optional NTR games? Or is it story related?

If it is story related, we could meet this character before the change occurs. She is the illegitimate daughter of a politician attempting to fight the crime in the city. He has hid her identity as to save his own personal image. Over the years he has privately paid her mother a large sum to stay silent. One day, for whatever reason, he decides to cut the payments off.

She is now out of money, and nowhere to go. She receives a loan from a gangster, and is unable to pay the loan back in time. As a result, she has to work for one for the gangs establishments in order to pay off her debt. The gangster in question belongs to the same gang as your father. You have yet to rebel against the gang, and as such she is sent to your establishment to work off her debt.

If your mom works as a manager, it's important a sexual scenario exist in relation to her manager status, that also reflects on the game in a sinful environment. I want to avoid creating a scenario that divides itself from the main, sinful theme of the game.

In a city of sin, there will always be non-sinful professions correct? By incorporating non-sexual jobs, you create realism. Not to mention sinful isn't only about sex. After all, we are talking about gangs. What about drugs, weapons dealing, extortion and bribary?

A character could easily work as a politician working for someone else. Or you could purchase a diner which is used for money laundering. The mom in question could be used in a number of positions which still match the theme of your game without having to necessarily work at the brothel/sex dungeon.

On the realism topic, will the game be believable if you are facing these large gangs who control the city, yet you destroy them all with only one measly brothel/sex dungeon? Food for thought.

What environments do you typically want the MC to have sex in? I try to avoid the bedroom as much as possible, but bedroom sex will exist though.

Honestly, I may be speaking for myself here, but I personally don't believe the environment matters in the least. The characters and events surrounding the scene is what matters to me. Having a personal pet, who has literally been treated as a pet who you have vanilla sex in a bedroom would be far more interesting than a vanilla girl in a spontaneous and interesting location.

If you're trying to be unique about it, why not look at some underused fetishes in porn games and go from there? I think someone has been compiling a spreadsheet here of tags and the percentage it gets used by games found here.

In addition, there are tons of posts about underused fetishes or overused things in games you can find in general discussion. I've posted on a few of them myself.

 

[DawnCry]

First of all I would like to point out about implementation, I have been reading this thread a bit and would like to offer a piece of grain on top of it.

If you wanna have everyone happy then this is my personal recommendation:

-First the direct choice to lock NTR stats or any stat that would generate NTR scenes, overall this is kind of a core stuff if you want to have everyone happy, direct question would help people a lot if they want to evade it.

-Second you should always make the game as if everything is on, just with changes in case it's off, with this I mean that unless it's a visual novel (route based stuff) NTR can be an interesting gameplay element, for example related to the girl that ends up in the brothel it makes sense that you first interact with her, you notice her problem and if you don't manage to solve it in time then she ends up working at the brothel. Rather than choices in itself is a sensible development of the circunstances, and if you have NTR on you should have a bit of a challenge of this stuff.

Something that I have notices a lot is that most games that have optional NTR are basically two separated games in which you just choose the route, but it isn't about playing the game good and avoiding it but rather extremely simple choices, it can work if you are a NTR fan or a harem fan, but for those that seek a game with gameplay it ends up really meh.

Debt, evil characters, circunstances... if you wanna have that stuff make it part of the gameplay experience but lock it in case someone disables NTR, you want to play with it on? you get a good gameplay experience, you play with it off? well you can easily follow the storyline and have sex with the girls to enjoy that aspect.

------------------ Leaving aside the NTR aspect -----------------

If there is something that I would love to see is actually harem issues and harem management, with this I mean being able to enforce harem rules and stuff like that, girls being able to rebel about it unless you make them submissive enough and stuff like that.

Personally I do enjoy a lot to show my MC dominance so something that I do enjoy a lot are risks and challenges, the guy that doesn't know his place and tried to fuck one of my girls? time to see the bottom of the river, the girls are starting to be too much into each other? make them remember who is the boss of the harem, they are trying to make you submit to them? show them their place. The reason I find it interesting is when there are consequences for failing and that's what brings me the highest enjoyment, knowing that I have difficulties to solve or stuff happens.

As you can see I'm really into engaging gameplay elements so that's why I prefer stuff to be integrated into gameplay but being able to disable that content in the way of locking stats and disabling flags.

 

[Anonimed]

I am not a NTR hater, but it's not my favorite Genre either.

I don't like it in the case of "Oh no, I am a pussy, weak and useless man, and for that they fuck my girl".

I have the fetish/fantasy of power and domination, if a have a girl working in a brothel, is because I WANT TO, she isn't one of my favorites or I think that the job is for her, if I want a spoiled slave that receive a lot pleasure and it's only mine, is because I WANT TO, if i want a lof of girls only for me, is because I WANT TO and i have the power and the decision.

Maybe doing a variety of girls, where the player can decide wich work in a brothel or wherever, maybe which are only for me, maybe even, sell some or trade it in exchange for favors

In your three initial characters, maybe that you can choose their jobs/roles, maybe one as a manager, other as a recluiter for new girls, and another as a whore.

You could add that you select who are your whores, which one is your manager, who is the girls' coach, which are the strippers, who the bartender, who are the maids and which are only yours. If a player choose a lot only for him, he will be poor and the game will be hard. If a player choose that all work, he is a greedy (jajajaja) and is playing in easy mode.

Sure, all this assuming that you are making a game, with gameplay, and not a slideshow.