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Indeed, Val missed this picture...I'll make it up for you now.
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I love this game. I would love to see updates released as soon as I finish the latest. When I get impatient, I remember a few simple things:
I have been working on releasing my own game for (going on) three years without a single release. Why?
I had to learn how to use Daz.
I had to purchase hundreds of dollars of assets and then modify them.
I had to learn how to use Blender.
I had to find the right software for animations and then learn to use it.
I had to learn how to program ren'py.
I had to write the actual story and solve the problems that go with it.
All while, working a full-time job, raising children, maintaining a marriage, going to school, and living my life.
Now, I would argue that just about anyone could release a visual novel in much less time and with much less effort. It happens every day here on F95. But the majority of those visual novels are shit. Problems with the images, the programming, and the story overwhelm these developers.
So, when I see someone else that has the same life events and the same experience level, and they are releasing an incredible game like Intertwined, I am amazed and grateful.
I have been working on releasing my own game for (going on) three years without a single release. Why?
I had to learn how to use Daz.
I had to purchase hundreds of dollars of assets and then modify them.
I had to learn how to use Blender.
I had to find the right software for animations and then learn to use it.
I had to learn how to program ren'py.
I had to write the actual story and solve the problems that go with it.
All while, working a full-time job, raising children, maintaining a marriage, going to school, and living my life.
Now, I would argue that just about anyone could release a visual novel in much less time and with much less effort. It happens every day here on F95. But the majority of those visual novels are shit. Problems with the images, the programming, and the story overwhelm these developers.
So, when I see someone else that has the same life events and the same experience level, and they are releasing an incredible game like Intertwined, I am amazed and grateful.
- Jun 14, 2020
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That's right. But how do you know which devs belongs to the second group? Sure, some devs made it obvious and lied much, so that's easy to tell. But as long as Nyx is transparent about what she's doing and working on her game I refuse to put her in the milker drawer. It's just not fair to demand devs should put aside their jobs and lives. There's only a hand full devs who could make a living with their AVN and this one here isn't one of them.
- Apr 24, 2020
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The other problem with AVN genre is that I would guess is not lucrative for even the top 10% creators. It's only lucrative for maybe 0.01% or so of them maybe.
Devs spend their free time making a game, and upon release, not enough people patron the lowest tier even on release month.
This leads to good games or potentially good games being abandoned. The AVN genre environment is not conducive enough for consistent start-to-end development.
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I'm hoping that the fact that I'm retired and moderately disabled will help me continue through lean times.
- Apr 25, 2020
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How do I know which devs belongs to the second group? With their communication. I'm fine with Intertwined's pace of development, dev said it was not her full time job. Of course faster would be better but that's ok.
I wouldn't put her in the second group just yet, but i suspect she has a bit of a burnout.
This project used to get updates every 2 months, she improved her hardware and yet the pace slowed waaay down.
She just did a "reboot" and you read her development blog and she's already leaving stuff she ain't happy behind to change at a later date... that's bad planning.
It's not only that, the game became repetitive and very slow pacing wise... i'm waiting for this but i already have very little expectations of getting what "i" want.
Unfortunately this is starting to resemble those TV series that i once loved but now follow just out of stubbornness.
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Kind of agree with LSC on this one judging by some things Nyx has said in prior progress updates. She's said stuff like "still debating which LIs will get content and who won't", then she's mentioned times where she's worked on a scene, didn't like it, redid the scene, still didn't like it, then ended up dropping the scene entirely.
So I get the impression she does a lot of "writing on the fly" with a smattering of ideas instead of relying on outlines, and she's run into hiccups related to that. Seems to me with a story with so many cross-relationships and paths, some outlining would make the whole thing easier to tackle without so many rewrites and scrapped scenes.
But the dev's style is the dev's style. If that's what works for her, then who am I to judge.
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On the technical aspect, we just had an update that fucked saves up, next update will be more code rework so probably will need to start again and she is leaving stuff up to update at a later time so new playthrough will be required again when that will happen. I am pretty sure there were other times in the past, before I started playing, where a restart was required because of patching changes she didn't plan.
Just wait and see how many people will give up just for this very reason, no matter how good a game is, it's not worth the hassle after a while, let alone one like this that has lost so much steam to the point of plot barely moving.
On the story aspect, there were major change all through the development of this game, so much so, that now we have 3 'side' characters, one was supposed to be a background character and one was supposed to die, having the most screen time and more scenes than the main girls the game was designed to be centered around, Layla and Erynn.
To defend Nyx on having a clear plan with the game is so delusional, is laughable.
Edit: Forgot she almost lost her files because she didn't think to back up her game duffs, like lol.
Just wait and see how many people will give up just for this very reason, no matter how good a game is, it's not worth the hassle after a while, let alone one like this that has lost so much steam to the point of plot barely moving.
On the story aspect, there were major change all through the development of this game, so much so, that now we have 3 'side' characters, one was supposed to be a background character and one was supposed to die, having the most screen time and more scenes than the main girls the game was designed to be centered around, Layla and Erynn.
To defend Nyx on having a clear plan with the game is so delusional, is laughable.
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It's already been more than 6 months since we got new content, i would rather wait and see something polished than Nyx planning her next reboot, right after we had one...
This is the worst of both worlds, the release schedule is slow and despite this the scenes still haven't been well planned and polished.
Nyx doesn't include every character in every release, some get extra focus some sit out(to come back later) but the story has been status quo for too many of the characters for too long now.
Nyx seems to love her mysteries and teasing confrontations but not delivering answers to these mysteries, they keep carrying on, even if seemingly the answer is obvious and constantly hinted at(Erynn-John and MC with Navarro), makes me fear for asspulls just to surprise the audience.
The game has several LIs just waiting to take the "next step", but it never comes...
I'm not simplifying anything, i just feel like we've waited way too long for this next step and the mysteries need a definitive answer.
Nyx sure sounds passionate and commited in her blog, but if she fails to deliver what good is that?
- Mar 25, 2023
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Don't hurt Nikki, I love her. You can get Elena for free, but Nikki stays and that's it.
who was supposed to be the background character?On the technical aspect, we just had an update that fucked saves up, next update will be more code rework so probably will need to start again and she is leaving stuff up to update at a later time so new playthrough will be required again when that will happen. I am pretty sure there were other times in the past, before I started playing, where a restart was required because of patching changes she didn't plan.
Just wait and see how many people will give up just for this very reason, no matter how good a game is, it's not worth the hassle after a while, let alone one like this that has lost so much steam to the point of plot barely moving.
On the story aspect, there were major change all through the development of this game, so much so, that now we have 3 'side' characters, one was supposed to be a background character and one was supposed to die, having the most screen time and more scenes than the main girls the game was designed to be centered around, Layla and Erynn.
To defend Nyx on having a clear plan with the game is so delusional, is laughable.
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supposed to die is Nikki?
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Alexis was supposed to be a side fuck and Nikki was supposed to die
on my first blind playthrough (before i knew everything is intertwined around Alexis), i rejected alexis, lol
I thought the story was supposed to be about Erynn, and hten i realized i missed shit ton of content by rejecting Alexis (and also not wanting anything to do with Cara and Nikki).
That blind playthrough legit is missing 30% of the game, lol
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You are mean to them...I like this story with these girls.
Everyone's taste is different...