VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Zorro#34]

Why did he "step up"? It's practically confirmed he never really loved Emily and only got with her because Santi got with a girl he was crushing on. He took on Emily and the MC not out of love, but out of spite against Santi. His true feelings toward MC are shown when he assaults him when confronted about his infidelity.

We're also told Andres was going to reveal the truth when MC got old enough so Emily left it to him, only he neglected to do it.

Andres is basically Zack from 20 years prior. A undersexed, overly jealous rodent who had to blackmail a single mother into marriage.

Or maybe he was just an unsuccessful suitor who jumped at the chance to be with the girl he liked, agreeing to raise someone else's child (a terrible price for any man) in exchange for basic human decency - being considered the father of the kid so that kid doesn't totally disrespect him when he gets older. I think it's very reasonable.
Anyway, whatever Andres's motivations, I don't care, as I'm viewing the situation from the position of the child - and in the child's POV, Andres was the one putting in hard work (and raising a child is hard), each day, for years, including when Emily gave up on the kid, while Santiago was out there fucking 18-year-olds and enjoying a luxurious lifestyle. Sure, the thought of his son crossed his mind once or twice, and he even asked Emily about that… But did he do anything else? No. If he was truly the father, he'd move mountains to be with his son. Did he do that? No. It's true, Andres and the MC had some altercations lately, but to me, he's still his dad. Besides, the conflict enabled the MC to continue his relationship with Nikki, so I'm even low-key grateful for that.
I'd really want to be able to tell Santi, "You're not my father. You're just some asshole who fucked Mom, long ago". Too bad the MC isn't written the way that'd be fitting for that.
Ironically, the only way I'd forgive Santiago is if he truly turned out to be Alexis's and Layla's dad/stepdad, so that he, too, got to experience the hardships of fatherhood. But by jossing that cliffhanger, Nyx made it completely impossible.

 

[Meiri]

Why did he "step up"? It's practically confirmed he never really loved Emily and only got with her because Santi got with a girl he was crushing on. He took on Emily and the MC not out of love, but out of spite against Santi. His true feelings toward MC are shown when he assaults him when confronted about his infidelity.

We're also told Andres was going to reveal the truth when MC got old enough so Emily left it to him, only he neglected to do it.

Andres is basically Zack from 20 years prior. A undersexed, overly jealous rodent who had to blackmail a single mother into marriage.

Andres is a liar and a cheater sure, but atleast he stepped up and took care of us when he didn't have to, sure the motives were not altruistic but he didn't have to and he did.

Santi is our real father he knew that and should have been the one to take care of us even if his family didn't like it, even if Emily was hesitant, Santi just accepts that and moves on, asking for us every once in a while is not showing interest or love.

In the end, neither of them is a good father or husband but I don't understand why Santi gets to be innocent here, at this point if I had the choice I would keep my distance from both.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Why did he "step up"? It's practically confirmed he never really loved Emily and only got with her because Santi got with a girl he was crushing on. He took on Emily and the MC not out of love, but out of spite against Santi. His true feelings toward MC are shown when he assaults him when confronted about his infidelity.

We're also told Andres was going to reveal the truth when MC got old enough so Emily left it to him, only he neglected to do it.

Andres is basically Zack from 20 years prior. A undersexed, overly jealous rodent who had to blackmail a single mother into marriage.

He stepped up by taking care of the MC when Emily "couldn't." They were already broken up and in different towns by that point, he got nothing out of taking care of MC during those teen years.

 

[minibaer12]

Yes, Andres raised the MC, and it seems he didn't do a bad job. The issue with women is a completely different matter.

On the other side is Santi, his biological father. Fact! Here, it seems that Santi and the MC have a pretty good connection. A lot will depend on how the one-on-one conversation between the two goes.

And again: The later this takes place, the more explosive it will be!

Everyone can then decide for themselves how to deal with the two of them.

 

[byaaahh]

Andres is a liar and a cheater sure, but atleast he stepped up and took care of us when he didn't have to, sure the motives were not altruistic but he didn't have to and he did.

Santi is our real father he knew that and should have been the one to take care of us even if his family didn't like it, even if Emily was hesitant, Santi just accepts that and moves on, asking for us every once in a while is not showing interest or love.

In the end, neither of them is a good father or husband but I don't understand why Santi gets to be innocent here, at this point if I had the choice I would keep my distance from both.

Except Emily wasn't just "hesitant", she was outwardly avoiding him for two reasons:

1. Anger because his parents actions (which we don't even know if he was privy to)
2. Andres' ultimatum to Emily to never speak to, or interact with Santi

How else is Santi supposed to take her actions? Labour a college student and single mother with lawyer fees to fight for custody, leading to further animosity or respect her decision to raise her child as she sees fit, keeping a window open if she or his son want to foster a relationship in future.

He stepped up by taking care of the MC when Emily "couldn't." They were already broken up and in different towns by that point, he got nothing out of taking care of MC during those teen years.

He was legally obligated to, not to mention he's THE reason MC doesn't know of his real father.

 

[byaaahh]

Everyone can then decide for themselves how to deal with the two of them.

Andres attends a track event where he meets Tori, both begin a relationship where they both combine their STD powers into a new plague.

Fin.

 

[Elduriel]

Yes, Andres raised the MC, and it seems he didn't do a bad job. The issue with women is a completely different matter.

up until the point he punched his "son". Lost all respect for me then and there and any chance of reconciliation. Also the way she treated Emily in the past.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

He was legally obligated to, not to mention he's THE reason MC doesn't know of his real father.

He's not obligated to do anything. He couldve just hung up on Emily and nothing wouldve happened.
He's not the only reason, Emily had a part to play in that drama as well. As a matter of fact, as you've pointed out, she wasn't talking to Santi so I doubt MC would've known his father with or without Andres.

 

[Dessolos]

up until the point he punched his "son". Lost all respect for me then and there and any chance of reconciliation. Also the way she treated Emily in the past.

I disliked him before the punch or rather I forget all about it. It's the way he treated Emily that makes me dislike him. Mostly because how insecure and jealous he is. I recall he accused her of cheating or something just for having coffee with the father of her child. ( which could of happen to be fair but never was any proof of it). + With basically saying how the MC has no right o know who his father because that was his only demand from Emily.

 

[byaaahh]

He's not obligated to do anything. He couldve just hung up on Emily and nothing wouldve happened.
He's not the only reason, Emily had a part to play in that drama as well. As a matter of fact, as you've pointed out, she wasn't talking to Santi so I doubt MC would've known his father with or without Andres.

Emily's anger toward Santi had subsided when she returned to college after MC was born, by which point he had graduated and left.

Had it not been for the ultimatum given by Andres, we have no idea how she would have proceeded. That ultimatum robbed any chance of Santi being a father, if he wanted it or not.

 

[Dessolos]

Honestly even tho Santi isn't a saint either. I am more on Santi's side cause of my dislike of Andre

 

[Zorro#34]

Except Emily wasn't just "hesitant", she was outwardly avoiding him for two reasons:

1. Anger because his parents actions (which we don't even know if he was privy to)
2. Andres' ultimatum to Emily to never speak to, or interact with Santi

Andres and Emily didn't divorce just now. That was when the MC was still a kid, yet enough time passed from the parents' ultimatum. And Santiago did contact Emily then, it was precisely why her and Andres divorced, and he already knew of the MC. Around that time, Emily began having trouble raising MC. Did Santiago come and help, with Andres not being in the way anymore? No. Emily sent MC to Andres.

her decision to raise her child

It wasn't her child, it was their child! But Santiago gave up, and he who gives up when it's hard doesn't deserve the end result.

up until the point he punched his "son". Lost all respect for me then and there and any chance of reconciliation. Also the way she treated Emily in the past.

Yeah, that's unfortunate. But the MC wasn't a kid anymore by then, so it's not that bad, Andres was punching his equal, not someone weaker. Besides, I'm giving Andres a lot of leeway for raising him.

 

[Elduriel]

Yeah, that's unfortunate. But the MC wasn't a kid anymore by then, so it's not that bad, Andres was punching his equal, not someone weaker. Besides, I'm giving Andres a lot of leeway for raising him.

oh it's bad, adult or not. That's still the kid he raised and supposedly loved for all his life, you don't go around punching him when he did absolutely nothing wrong, unless you're a piece of shit.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

oh it's bad, adult or not. That's still the kid he raised and supposedly loved for all his life, you don't go around punching him when he did absolutely nothing wrong, unless you're a piece of shit.

I'll tell you, I can't be too angry with Andres because many of his misdeeds seem to me to have been added later by Nyx, because the public wasn't so convinced that Emily was a poor martyr abandoned by her husband and son.

 

[byaaahh]

Andres and Emily didn't divorce just now. That was when the MC was still a kid, yet enough time passed from the parents' ultimatum. And Santiago did contact Emily then, it was precisely why her and Andres divorced, and he already knew of the MC. Around that time, Emily began having trouble raising MC. Did Santiago come and help, with Andres not being in the way anymore? No. Emily sent MC to Andres.

You are aware there are a few years between the divorce and the acting up, right? The acting up wasn't a result of the divorce at 10, it was Erynn rejecting him at 13. Are you expecting Emily to just go "well the man you've thought is your father actually isn't". All MC knows is Andres, so of course she sends him there.

It wasn't her child, it was their child! But Santiago gave up, and he who gives up when it's hard doesn't deserve the end result.

Their child that Emily seemingly wanted Santi to have nothing to do with because of Andres' ultimatum. Santi's only recourse would be lawyering up and burdening Emily with legal fees, instead opted to leave her with the family unit she chose.

Once again, people can defend Andres all they want but his ultimatum robbed any opportunity of Santi being there for his son.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Emily's anger toward Santi had subsided when she returned to college after MC was born, by which point he had graduated and left.

Had it not been for the ultimatum given by Andres, we have no idea how she would have proceeded. That ultimatum robbed any chance of Santi being a father, if he wanted it or not.

Santi robbed himself of being a father with his reaction to finding out Emily was pregnant. Sure, Andres is an opportunist, but let's be real, the only reason that opportunity was there was because of Santi.

 

[byaaahh]

Santi robbed himself of being a father with his reaction to finding out Emily was pregnant. Sure, Andres is an opportunist, but let's be real, the only reason that opportunity was there was because of Santi.

His reaction of... taking a few days to think about things?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I'll tell you, I can't be too angry with Andres because many of his misdeeds seem to me to have been added later by Nyx, because the public wasn't so convinced that Emily was a poor martyr abandoned by her husband and son.

Yea alot of that stuff does feel manipulative. It went from typical father-son problems to Andres is a violent cheating douchebag super quick. Dont get me wrong, Im not letting Andres off the hook, but he's hardly the only guilty party in all this.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Yea alot of that stuff does feel manipulative. It went from typical father-son problems to Andres is a violent cheating douchebag super quick. Dont get me wrong, Im not letting Andres off the hook, but he's hardly the only guilty party in all this.

"I sacrificed 18/19 years of my life raising you by investing my money to get revenge on your biological father mhuahahah!" is not such a great plan.

 

[byaaahh]

"I sacrificed 18/19 years of my life raising you by investing my money to get revenge on your biological father mhuahahah!" is not such a great plan.

I don't think he was the breadwinner tbh. You see the polo shirts he wears?