QSP Abandoned Jack-o-Nine-Tails [v2.2.3] [Old Huntsman + Community development]

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Yes, exactly that, if you want people not to find the art style so awful, you need to decide which ones to use. Immersion matters.

qwertyu12359 do you want to address this? Personally, the mix of styles doesn't bother me, but if it's an issue for others we could put drawn images in a supplemental pack.

The issue here is the pride stat not correlating with the feedback I'm getting. D stat in pride is mediocre pride, she should be pliant once subjected to certain amount of pressure, you don't expect someone who is not very proud to resist after being subjected to all sorts of abuse. Hell even men often buckle under mere words, just look at 70's military training doctrine.

You're looking at one stat (pride) and ignoring the rest. The mental model used by the game is more complex. The game splits the slave's mental attributes into multiple categories: nature, temperament, pride, intellect, etc. All of these contribute to the slave's resistance.

"A certain amount of pressure" is what I want you to quantify. What exactly are we talking about here? Three spankings? Two punches? What was her guilt level when you applied those punishments? Did she fight back and you defeated her using the combat system?

You also haven't answered my question about the difficulty setting. Are you playing on easy, normal or hard? I said earlier that on normal difficulty, an average slaver can get a slave to do basic housework in a day or two. Are you not seeing that, or is a day or two not fast enough?

I mean openly defying rules I set for her even when enforcing them.

Do you have the items from the Necropolis shop? Gag for silence rule, etc. If you don't have the right items, you're not able to enforce those rules.

The game penalizes obedience when slaves are breaking the rules. This is probably the main cause of your frustration.

Also, if a slave is forced to obey rules, it increases their despair. Using rules on a resistant slave needs to be managed carefully.

Alright, let's see, the slave had subpar mental stats, C or lower in everything rxcept for intelligence. I had B or C stats mostly in everything, my torture was F though. Things I tried

Explaining her situation
Asking about her past
Light verbal punishment
Strong verbal punishment
Binding her (Had B in binding skill)
Mental torture (walking her naked, parading her naked on a stage)
Beating her with a belt
Beating her lightly
Beating her strongly
Beating the shit out of her

In all cases she remained defiant until she fell unconscious.

Yes I fed her properly
Yes I tried good cop and bad cop approach
Yes I kept myself washed and the place cleaned up
Yes I tried different approaches reloading the saved game at least a dozen times.

This game's mechanics are absolutely unrealistic and just plain stupid.

Explaining her situation is verbal persuasion and threats. The text displayed when you do it tells you if you got through or not. If not, you might have better luck if you wait until she's had some training. It's too late when she's already obedient, but if she's extremely resistant she'll just ignore it.

Asking about her past currently requires fairly high obedience. The slave background texts are not written from the perspective of a slave who hates you, and there are a lot of them, so we went with the idea that a resistant slave refuses to tell you about herself.

Punishments are expected to be matched to the slave's guilt level. If you hover over the small caret (^) in the lower left corner of the menu icon, the tooltip shows the level of the punishment. Mostly they go 1-5 but there are some exceptions. If you under-punish, the game interprets that as leniency. If you over-punish, the game interprets that as disproportionate. Leniency doesn't increase obedience (can in fact decrease it) but improves mood. Can be useful if the slave is depressed. Over-punishment is effective but also increases despair, which lowers mood and can lead to mindbreak.

 

[qwertyu12359]

qwertyu12359 do you want to address this? Personally, the mix of styles doesn't bother me, but if it's an issue for others...

This game has always had diversity of art styles and this is part of its identity and direction. It's kinda meta too because the in-game world is in the center of multiple universes.

On a purely artistic point of view, I never thought characters sticked out of the background as if they didn't belong.

And that's not out of laziness that I'm saying that, because backgrounds and characters have been changed many times by modders (including me) over the course of these 7 years. And I think the game found its balance through a kind of "natural selection" (I really did search all of the internet for better backgrounds based on in-game descriptions, for better normal/sex scenes, etc.).

I think the diversity of art style also optimally adresses the problem of how many different illustration the game needs compared to how few fitting images exist on the internet.

The two problems that used to bother me were 3D CGI and censoring. But that's been solved 2 years ago now.

... So, I think our humble servitor whom you were responding to, either has a pronounced taste for uncompromising aesthetic purity (which we can't get for this game without sacrificing Old Huntsman original design AND spending thousands dollars and hours into a third party artist) or wanted to complain about how he encountered a game over then got carried away in his complaints.

Anyway, when someone bitches about something and says "people" when its exclusively their opinions...
... it doesn't make me want to do much about it unless he has some serious arguments which I hadn't considered before.

TL;DR: this is a rare complaint and it is about the game's core design, not about something we can or would want to change.

we could put drawn images in a supplemental pack.

I don't really understand this idea. The "drawn" images are basically 90% of the art.

Maybe you mean manga style (used for scenes and fullbody images) as opposed to western style backgrounds and NPCs. But neither of both can be considered the "main style" of the game.

Besides, finding replacement pictures would be impossible, especially if we want the replacements to be as good or better. There will never be either enough manga style backgrounds on the internet to fit all locations, nor enough western style sex scenes to fit the sex scenes.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

I don't really understand this idea. The "drawn" images are basically 90% of the art.

Maybe you mean "western" manga style (used for scenes and fullbody images) as opposed to western style backgrounds and NPCs. But neither of both can be considered the "main style" of the game.

Besides, finding replacement pictures would be impossible, especially if we want the replacements to be as good or better. There will never be either enough manga style backgrounds on the internet to fit all locations, nor enough western style sex scenes to fit the sex scenes.

By "drawn" I was referring to sketches or western-style art vs. anime-style art. And, I was thinking exclusively about depictions of slaves in scene images displayed in interactions, not backgrounds or avatars or fullbody portraits.

 

[qwertyu12359]

By "drawn" I was referring to sketches or western-style art vs. anime-style art. And, I was thinking exclusively about depictions of slaves in scene images displayed in interactions, not backgrounds or avatars or fullbody portraits.

Ah yes I understand. And that makes me remember that I also got rid of the most unfitting western art that was in the game (back in 2019). Things that looked like straight of the comic books (mostly for pony trainings but not only). There's still some trace of it left in the torture folder (which was overhauled for 2.0, but not by me).

So to answer your proposition, I think it would be a waste of time and art to make the western-style scenes available only via a patch. As they were all handpicked precisely to fit within already (and they are very manga style inspired, as shown by how it's often R34 drawing of japanese video games like Final Fantasy and stuff).

 

[HeadsExplode]

My two cents on the art. The game was made by someone without artistic ability but a lot of ideas for programming a game. It's the same thing a lot of those older sim brothel games had, taking pictures from all 4 corners of the internet. You kind of need to accept doing it that way unless you're making something with, like.. PlayShapes (remember all the dead Legend of Krystal brothel games trying this?) or other animation programs, because if you don't you really have to limit the number of slaves available (and face complaints of it being too reptitive or not having enough girls) or you have to go the opposite direction and maybe have a lot of photos, but crop all of them and try not to match things like hair color or body shape or other characteristics (OG sim brothel games had fewer, pre-set characters but in doing so had very character specific images for their related sex acts..Obviously it would be harder here, given the variety of training scenarios and sex acts though...+Preset characters = no random generation for stats etc since it tried to stay in character to the portrait art).

I quite like it the way it is personally. This even has a SFW mode, so it's clear that the porn art was never the focus of the original game design - the game repeats images very quickly as it is, it's much more about getting the titillation from the slow burn of corruption and business aspect. If you don't like the game part, there's no reason to stay for the art.

I still prefer this to ugly goblin daz models or unskilled art that looks off of a 2002 Newgrounds flash but I also don't look at a picture when it comes up for more than like 2 seconds anyway so I guess it doesn't matter too much though I do find anime/hentai much more appealing personally.
The people developing the game now are long removed from the original dev so I'm fine with it not being your priority. Plugging in new or replacing old pics is easy if it's enough of a stickler for someone who does enjoy it and need them however.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

There's an experimental combat tweak on master-ia/master-ia-patch if anyone would like to try it and give feedback. Chimaera gem, instead of giving a flat boost to health, now reduces incoming health damage to better represent the "instant wound healing" described by the NPC who gives it to you.

The [?] help icon on the slave's stats screen, next to her rank, now displays an additional message about buyer requirements and rejection reasons.

I've also modified the "what do you think of me?" interaction to be a bit more helpful. If the slave is willing to clean the house, she'll say so.

 

[johngooner]

Been having this super annoying thing where my character's sexual desire is stuck at flacid, libido at the lowest. Nothing is changing this, mood is completely full. Only thing character is complaining about in the diary is standard of living, everything else is fine.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

 

[0tris]

Been having this super annoying thing where my character's sexual desire is stuck at flacid, libido at the lowest. Nothing is changing this, mood is completely full. Only thing character is complaining about in the diary is standard of living, everything else is fine.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

Maybe they changed it, but a while ago when I played it the only way to increase your libido was to have sex regularly.
Once you got stuck at the lowest libido you would need your slave or assistant to put up erotic shows or get the erotic massage to up your excitedness > have sex and repeat that for a couple days/weeks.

 

[johngooner]

Maybe they changed it, but a while ago when I played it the only way to increase your libido was to have sex regularly.
Once you got stuck at the lowest libido you would need your slave or assistant to put up erotic shows or get the erotic massage to up your excitedness > have sex and repeat that for a couple days/weeks.

Oh! I had no idea, doing that has seemed to work. Thank you!

 

[RedGreen3]

Anyone know how to get slaver strength to S+? I'm having relaxed sex with Isabella and eating S+ meals every day. I also have active sex with my slave whenever she's ready to do that. Also, how do I beat the coliseum fights? I keep getting beaten at B+ rank. I've already tried changing defense positions and adding weapons.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Anyone know how to get slaver strength to S+? I'm having relaxed sex with Isabella and eating S+ meals every day. I also have active sex with my slave whenever she's ready to do that. Also, how do I beat the coliseum fights? I keep getting beaten at B+ rank. I've already tried changing defense positions and adding weapons.

Combat is the main path to S+ strength. You need to be challenged. Sparring at least the second-highest-tier opponents at the arena can raise strength up to S+. Any enemy at the border of the Fogs will also work. And be patient, it's a long road. For pacifists, grinding enough active sex can also get you there, too.

Combat tips here: https://f95zone.to/threads/jack-o-n...mmunity-development.390/page-291#post-6544417

 

[Ragnarok20]

Anyone know how to get slaver strength to S+? I'm having relaxed sex with Isabella and eating S+ meals every day. I also have active sex with my slave whenever she's ready to do that. Also, how do I beat the coliseum fights? I keep getting beaten at B+ rank. I've already tried changing defense positions and adding weapons.

I've got an "easy" way to get there, or at least a fast one for sure.
First a tip: Remember that almost all clothes can give you or your slave a boost to a certain category. (check the wiki for info)

You will need to battle your way up to the ranks which can be easily done if you mantain cleanliness and get good food, besides training. Train (colosseum) to a point where the game tells you, you cannot longer get stronger from defeating the same oponent. Then onto the next one. And now the most important part. You can get every single special (fighting) techniques besides 1 (you choose which one to left out). If you get stuck and know there's at least 2 more special techniques to get, equipt the 'Aketon' which gives you a boost to fighting skill, then go to the colosseum to get your last technique and voilà, your strenght is now at S+. I wouldn't recomend wearing the 'Aketon' for longer than necessary because that's another cause for your character to bitch about.

 

[loliumsoup]

So I am massively confused on what the requirements to buy a house instead of renting it. Been trying to get a house bought in Quarter of the Outcasts and having no luck. Currently have sold a slave to every person in the Camira Residences including Mystra. Also I have sold General Carneys (1 of 3 in Tierra del Citadel) as well as the ruler Mistress Tiamat. No idea where to go from here i thought that was all that was needed... I suppose I could sell to the other 2 of 3 (Archbishop Shaitana and Praetor Tifaret).

Jacks Characteristics are: Weak
Leader
Repulsive
Impotemt
Imperious
Famous
Guild Lackey
Impoverished
Dirty
Melancholic
Safe and Unharmed

If any of that matters, skills are all max but Fighter (B+), Flagellation (B+) Torturer (F-). As for my assistant she is S+ in all but Beauty (A+), and Exoticism (A+). She has S+ fame to allow her to be S+ rank. She also has Arena Champion if that matters.

Anyways some help would be greatly appreciated. I don't assume shops need a sale each but I really don't know. Thanks for your help in advance anyone that has a solution to this.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

So I am massively confused on what the requirements to buy a house instead of renting it.

If I recall correctly, there is a bug in 2.2 in the conditions for buying a house. If you give a slave to the Pope, it should unlock it. What you've done so far is supposed to be more than enough, if not for the bug.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

I wouldn't recomend wearing the 'Aketon' for longer than necessary because that's another cause for your character to bitch about.

Are you sure about this? That's not supposed to happen.

 

[RedGreen3]

Does spank with a slipper raise flagellation skill? I'm having trouble getting slaves to feel enough guilt to justify doing anymore more than that and I'm at more than 900 days. Why aren't Pet and Pony linked to each other? Seems like it would make sense for the specialization.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Does spank with a slipper raise flagellation skill?

Only to a point.

I'm having trouble getting slaves to feel enough guilt to justify doing anymore more than that and I'm at more than 900 days.

Guilt reflects her anticipation of punishment of a certain magnitude. If she's only ever been spanked with a slipper, she has no reason to expect something harsher. If you want her to feel more guilt, you need to make her fear you more. You can increase her fear with magic, by punishing her often (and at least at the level of her guilt - if that's not effective, you can punish beyond her guilt, just manage the despair that comes with it), or by using sententia veritas before she gains guilt to make her feel more guilt than she normally would.

If you want a reason to punish her regularly, try having her be your alarm but end the day sated (had enough sex). She'll "fail" to get you off in the morning.

Why aren't Pet and Pony linked to each other? Seems like it would make sense for the specialization.

Linked in what way? They're distinct skills. One is roleplaying a pet animal. The other is being trained as a racing pony for the arena. They're both part of the "pet ponygirl" specialization because the slave is expecting to act like a pet when not racing.

 

[RedGreen3]

Only to a point.


Guilt reflects her anticipation of punishment of a certain magnitude. If she's only ever been spanked with a slipper, she has no reason to expect something harsher. If you want her to feel more guilt, you need to make her fear you more. You can increase her fear with magic, by punishing her often (and at least at the level of her guilt - if that's not effective, you can punish beyond her guilt, just manage the despair that comes with it), or by using sententia veritas before she gains guilt to make her feel more guilt than she normally would.

If you want a reason to punish her regularly, try having her be your alarm but end the day sated (had enough sex). She'll "fail" to get you off in the morning.

Thanks!

 

[Ragnarok20]

Are you sure about this? That's not supposed to happen.

Yes, the diary says something about the lines of "wearing this outfit for so long is uncomfortable" or something like that. I'll try to get a screenshot for ya.

 

[Flying Geaser]

Do slaves gain XP in stats that they train other slaves in?