QSP Jack-o-Nine-Tails [v2.3] [ImperatorAugustusTertius / qwertyu12359]

[Lokplart]

We plan to look at the game code extensively to gather all informations about the lore and make that a wiki page, then check carefully if any change contradicts the informations there before doing anything.

Yeah.. I planed on doing that before starting to write on the trade guild path. I should have done it before planning ahead so much but I didn't know the lore was so extensive and complex. And if that bit that Betcher said with not being able to leave the city no matter what, that means I'm going to have to rewrite a lot. Oh well.. back to the drawing board.

 

[Lokplart]

Serpis prince: "Did you know that these assholes from the Vatican take away all the pregnant girls for themselves? But I am not willing to let them keep doing this.
But all children somehow are born dead, no matter how hard I try. But I will not give up. What are our achievements, if you have no heir, right? And the process is enjoyable.
I experiment. I do not know what exactly is needed for a successful pregnancy."

Back with attempt number 3 after reading through some NPC dialogues.

NPC name: Professor Mori.
NPC info (The bit of info that goes on the right at every location with an NPC):
"Former protege of the Serpis Prince. Exiled from the Serpetine Quarter 14 years ago.
Formal statement issued by the Serpetines regarding the reason of expulsion:

"Unauthorized, unjustifiable and inhumane use of forbidden arts and techniques for the betterment of himself and only himself." "​

NPC location: Necropolis.

Arrogance is his defining trait, he swears that he was watched and encouraged by his former mentor to run his experiments. He sees the Vatican as thieves and the Serpis Prince as false self proclaimed hero.
Despite being condemned by other districts, the Korvus House allows him to run his business due to the fact that quite a numerous amount of women are willing to risk their lives and reputation for the chance of living freely with their child.
His work disfigures the body, breaks the mind and offers no certainty of a successful birth. That said, he is knows to do achive it and he is the only one that offers such a service for an affordable price.
The blame for the... "unfortunate conclusions" to some of his operations falls, of course, on the mother, not having a strong enough body or the child, being already sickly... but never on Mori. The dead don't talk, so there is no one to prove it wrong.
(A shortened and rewritten version of this could go into the master's diary)

Preference line 1: "One would think that the nature of my craft makes this conversation pointless, but there is always one exception for every rule... or perhaps you have lived under a rock for the past five and a half years."
Preference line 2: "No matter, lets get straight to the point! My subject needs to be tough. I do not want her half dead after one experiment."
Preference line 3: "I want her to know how to treat and bandage herself decently should any injuries appear."
Preference line 3: "She needs to know her place and to execute orders without a second thought. "
Preference line 4: "Last be not least, she needs to be able to display some personality for me gather any useful data, so find a way to achieve the obedience I've mentioned without turning her into a scared, quiet and cold zombie."
Preference line 5: "That's it. I will buy your slave if she ticks all the boxes. Go now. You have wasted enough of my time already!"

The uniqueness of the Serpis Prince remains in his willingness to achieve his goal by using a method that has a high rate of success and without leaving the mother or the child with lifetime physical or metal injuries.
A good analogy would be Batman and Red Hood. They both fight crime, but Red Hood is willing to kill and torture to reach his goals and doesn't see it as being wrong, which is exactly what sets them apart. They're both skilled enough to work together but different enough for any friendship to ever last.

Maybe a bit of dialogue for the Serpis Prince that triggers after you've used Prof. Mori's services once could be written where he tells you something along the lines of:
1: "I thought you knew better then to listen to any madman who calls himself a scientist! What the Vatican is doing is wrong, but some lines need to remain uncrossed..."
Or
2: "What you did was nothing but encouraging false promises and imaginary hope! I strongly insist you opt for an abortion at our medical center next time!"

Or both in succession if it's not too long.

 

[qwertyu12359]

numerous amount of women are willing to risk their lives and reputation for the chance of living freely with their child.

In this city? I don't buy it. I'd like something darker, like slavers wanting to use their slave's child as leverage for obedience. Or to develop an incestual harem... There's room for imagination!

Preference line 1: "One would think that the nature of my craft makes this conversation pointless, but there is always one exception for every rule... or perhaps you have lived under a rock for the past five and a half years."

I really don't understand what he'd means ^^

Preference line 2: "No matter, lets get straight to the point! My subject needs to be tough. I do not want her half dead after one experiment."

"Robust" instead of "tough" maybe?

Preference line 4: "Last be not least, she needs to be able to display some personality for me gather any useful data, so find a way to achieve the obedience I've mentioned without turning her into a scared, quiet and cold zombie."

A group of words is lacking there, it seems.

A good analogy would be Batman and Red Hood. They both fight crime, but Red Hood is willing to kill and torture to reach his goals and doesn't see it as being wrong, which is exactly what sets them apart. They're both skilled enough to work together but different enough for any friendship to ever last.

Really cool

1: "I thought you knew better then to listen to any madman who calls himself a scientist! What the Vatican is doing is wrong, but some lines need to remain uncrossed..."

Just the first part is more than enough. No need for "moraline".

2: "What you did was nothing but encouraging false promises and imaginary hope! I strongly insist you opt for an abortion at our medical center next time!"

Nah... ^^ Just the first part of the first sentence is better than the rest; it kinda "rings".

--------> You have my green light I'll add that to the roadmap.

 

[SPQRI]

Guys, noob here.

Is there a way to have more active slaves (excluding the assistant)? I've checked and the only way to increase this amount is by renting the dungeon. Am I missing something? I mean, it is very cool that you can freeze slaves, but I imagined that as you advanced through housing you would be able to afford keeping more slaves to more stuff, like having a gladiatrix and another one for racing, as well as being able to rent others to places.

 

[Lokplart]

Guys, noob here.

Is there a way to have more active slaves (excluding the assistant)? I've checked and the only way to increase this amount is by renting the dungeon. Am I missing something? I mean, it is very cool that you can freeze slaves, but I imagined that as you advanced through housing you would be able to afford keeping more slaves to more stuff, like having a gladiatrix and another one for racing, as well as being able to rent others to places.

No, besides the three slots you mentioned there are no other active slave slots. Renting slaves to places is not a feature yet but it is already on the roadmap.

 

[Lokplart]

I really don't understand what he'd means ^^

He assumes you've heard of him, as any egotistical arrogant scientist would and sees the need to explicitly tell you his preference useless because he thinks it's obvious. So he first calls you dumb "there is always one exception for every rule" and then poor/antisocial "or perhaps you've lived under a rock for the past 5 and a half years."

This line would only play the first time you ask for his preference. Then it would change to him complaining about having to repeat himself.

More of a character defining line with also a bit of info at the end.

 

[Msirgantir]

so just got back into the game and unable to find the loli patch password and I'm not sure how to raise character skills if they are currently F- other than stewardship, magic and fighting

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

so just got back into the game and unable to find the loli patch password and I'm not sure how to raise character skills if they are currently F- other than stewardship, magic and fighting

It's "jack" and I assume you mean your characters ability are lacking thus making it impossible for you to train the other traits yes? you can send your slave to school or hire in a tutor however as for training your slave sex skills primarily you will do this yourself

 

[Msirgantir]

so you can't personally train the slaves in those aspects ever got it

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

so you can't personally train the slaves in those aspects ever got it

Er.. are you asking, can you (the MC [main character]) not train slaves in skills you yourself do not posses? for sexual skills I think you can it just takes longer, however for professional skills no you can not train a slave higher than your own ability, for example if you only have a "B" in tiddly winks then you can only train slaves to be as good as you (B) at tiddly winks however I think as you train a person in something you, yourself also increase your proficiency I think do not quote me on that because I can't actually remember the system there, sorry bubba

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

Man, where did tiddly winks come from.. all this time on my own, it's turning me peculiar.

 

[Lokplart]

so just got back into the game and unable to find the loli patch password and I'm not sure how to raise character skills if they are currently F- other than stewardship, magic and fighting

There is clothing that gives a level in certain skills. Wearing the appropriate clothing allows you to start teaching slaves as well start increasing your own skills. check the wiki for which clothes do what

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[qwertyu12359]

He assumes you've heard of him, as any egotistical arrogant scientist would and sees the need to explicitly tell you his preference useless because he thinks it's obvious. So he first calls you dumb "there is always one exception for every rule" and then poor/antisocial "or perhaps you've lived under a rock for the past 5 and a half years."

Yeah but he can't allow his experiences to be widely known, otherwise the Vatican and its paladins would fuck him up. Better for him to stay "underground" (which fits the mood of his location).

Also "5 and a half years" is too short and especially too specific ^^ It's better if lore-chronology is purposefully let to be mysterious, as it gives an aura to the world if all events leading to the current situation are largely antedating MC's deed.

 

[Lokplart]

Yeah but he can't allow his experiences to be widely known, otherwise the Vatican and its paladins would fuck him up. Better for him to stay "underground" (which fits the mood of his location).

Also "5 and a half years" is too short and especially too specific ^^ It's better if lore-chronology is purposefully let to be mysterious, as it gives an aura to the world if all events leading to the current situation are largely antedating MC's deed.

Oh. Ok. Can I keep the "exiled from the serpetine district about 14 years ago" part from his info?

Also if the Vatican would be cracking down on such on operation why is the Serpis Prince just telling you that his goal is successful pregnancy? He could just say what he wants and how much he pays. Or give a fake reason. As far as we know, he's just a client, not our friend right? That's weird..

Anyway I agree that it should be a bit more of a hidden thing then I've depicted it. I've got an idea to include all your notes. Thanks!

 

[qwertyu12359]

Oh. Ok. Can I keep the "exiled from the serpetine district about 14 years ago" part from his info?

Also if the Vatican would be cracking down on such on operation why is the Serpis Prince just telling you that his goal is successful pregnancy? He could just say what he wants and how much he pays. Or give a fake reason. As far as we know, he's just a client, not our friend right? That's weird..

Anyway I agree that it should be a bit more of a hidden thing then I've depicted it. I've got an idea to include all your notes. Thanks!

Sure, 14 years ago is good is random enough not to be a round number like fifteen, it's distant enough to have been anterior to MC's deeds and be the causes of many events that are unknown to the player... So it's good.

I agree with you, that's weird, but that's not as much of a contradiction. He tells YOU, as an apparently amoral slave owner that has proven his value since you've been recommended to him by many of the people he trusts. He doesn't expect you to know (as if everyone should) unless you've been living under a rock. The difference is notable.

 

[SPQRI]

No, besides the three slots you mentioned there are no other active slave slots. Renting slaves to places is not a feature yet but it is already on the roadmap.

Thanks for that Lokplart!

Are there any plans to implement additional slave slots or is this just not a thing? And how hard would it be to mod this?

 

[Evil Earthworm Jim]

Thanks for that Lokplart!

Are there any plans to implement additional slave slots or is this just not a thing? And how hard would it be to mod this?

Although more sounds nice (and it does sound nice) I'm a little concerned about how difficult it might become to manage more than one slave and an assistant. Consider this, that you only get ten energy if you are max energy (and if you use it all you only get 5 after that with a good nights sleep and you are in the red) in a day to spend and that is without enhancement (salons and messages etc) and before you even start to manage your slaves, training and what have you, you need to manage your home and yourself- my point is I don't know if there's enough time in the day ^^'. I sympathies that the spirit might be willing but the body might have trouble keeping up of course there are tutors and schools and what have you that would help out but those cost will begin to get intimidating after a while once they've started mounting up.

 

[Lokplart]

Thanks for that Lokplart!

Are there any plans to implement additional slave slots or is this just not a thing? And how hard would it be to mod this?

The current features that are planed to be added/reworked in the game are public under the "roadmap" spoiler in the first post of the thread.

As Evil Earthworm Jim said, you don't really have the physical capabilities to train two slaves, especially normal skills which get harder and harder the more she knows. You would get to a point where you would neglect one slave to finish the other one's training.

I have an auto trainer in the works. It's not really the same since it trains your prisoner but you'll be able to have a slave/assistant trained to train slaves herself. So you could have two slaves in the training at the same time this way.

 

[Daba]

I finally got some time for myself so I decided to finally try new community version.
Last I played 1.7.5. and I modded it quite to my taste, but modding things with "qgen" is not easy.
I tried to find some things, but it is quite frustrating.
Can someone please help find values I need to change to edit certain things?

1. Which value is for training needed between ranks (training skills to A or S takes forever)
2. Values that determine chariot race speed/maneurability (hardest part in game in my opinion)
3. Adding instinct rate (Taming/Submission) to all sex acts (could be wrong, but if I remember it right, only anal rape sex added taming)

Thanks in advance

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[Lokplart]

1. Which value is for training needed between ranks (training skills to A or S takes forever)

Assuming you are talking about normal skills such as cooking, maid, nurse, etc; I can answer this one with full detail.

Files that take care of skill training:

• $calcuate_atributes
• #variative

The base for each level upgrade is:

• 5 (F -> D)
• 5 (D -> C)
• 10 (C -> B)
• 20 (B -> A)
• 40 (A -> S)

In #variative, you will find at line 39 the "$dep_atr" array which has the names of all the skills in the game.
In $calculate_atributes you will find at line 149 the start of skill raise calculations

Progress in one skill is based on:

• (Master's tutor skill + any misc bonus) * diligence
  • mic bonuses are those from items and other things like this
  • diligence is basically her willingness to learn (code below)

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The progress for whatever skill gets trained is added to "slave_rate[*skill*]"

Once that's done, it goes to $calculate_atributes. There, it first raises the base nr of points needed for a lvl up based on how many points the slave has overall in all her basic skills, excluding those that she has an affinity for (line 170, value stored in "slave_rm")

Then it goes to check the rates for all skills, checking one skill at a time, in the order they are found in the array from the #variative file.(line 177)
You will see first the vars "srd1, srd2, srd3, srd4" being initialized with 5, 10, 20 and 40, those are the bases.
Then, if the slave DOES NOT have an affinity for the skill, the bases are raised based on "slave_rm", each base at a different rate so the base from A -> S gets higher way faster then the one from F -> D (lines 184 to 189)
Then it checks for the level of the skill and if the progress rate of the skill if higher then the base it raises the skill and sets the progress rate to 0.
Then it goes back to the next skill until it checks everyone of them.


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Here is an example:
Lets say that the slave has an affinity for Cooking
Lets also say that she already has C+ in Maid, B+ in escort and B+ in cooking (that totals up to 5 points in basic skills (we're not adding cooking because she has an affinity for it))

The total of basic skills points is 5 so "slave_rm" is 5

So, if we train for example the Maid skill, because she doesn't have affinity for the skill, our bases become:

• 5 + slave_rm / 2 = 5 + 5 / 2 = 5 + 2 + 7
• 10 + slave_rm = 10 + 5 = 15
• 20 + slave_rm * 2 = 20 + 5 * 2 = 20 + 10 = 30
• 40 + slave_rm * 3 = 40 + 5 * 3 = 40 + 15 = 55

To go from C to B she would use the second base (srd2) which is now 15. So if the progress rate for the Maid skill becomes higher then 15 as a result of training, the skill would get raised to the next level, and since now there is one more skill point next time any basic skill is trained, "slave_rm" would be 6.

But, if we train Cooking, no matter the amount of skill points, the bases don't get raised so to go from B to A she would only need to have the progress rate for Cooking higher then 20.

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When the master has full tutor skill and the slave is kind of well trained in the aura skills department (taming, awareness, etc), the progress rate increase for a skill about 7 I think. Fitness is an exception; the progress rate is halved for that skill.

So, tl;dr, if you want to speed up the training, change the values that slave_rm gets multiplied by, or erase the whole "IF" block completely.

I personally think it is a pretty good system, the massive slowdown happens when you try to make an all star slave which is normal. But if you like taking every slave to S+ then I can see why such a slowdown is annoying.

If there's anything unclear about this topic, feel free to keep asking. I haven't looked into the other topics so I can't really help with those.
Have fun modding.

PS: Do take a look into interaction_result as well to get a better feeling of how the progress rate is added. Search for "master_teaches_slave" and look there.