Ion.TemUS

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ahh i thought you cant differentiate between fiction and reality, mostly in fiction you can do any freedom in creating whether manga or videogame hentai ever over age or under age to your fictional characters.
Fiction is not an excuse to sexualize prepubescent children. I will not call the police on anyone who draws and makes stories about minors, because it is art and nobody was hurt in the process, but I have the right to judge and criticize the work of art and not support it.
 

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Fiction is not an excuse to sexualize prepubescent children. I will not call the police on anyone who draws and makes stories about minors, because it is art and nobody was hurt in the process, but I have the right to judge and criticize the work of art and not support it.
also i'm pretty sure there is a rule on this site against it,

EDIT: yes rule 7 specifically states any sexual depiction or activity featuring prepubescent children are prohibited here
 
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ejmuerte

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Fiction is not an excuse to sexualize prepubescent children. I will not call the police on anyone who draws and makes stories about minors, because it is art and nobody was hurt in the process, but I have the right to judge and criticize the work of art and not support it.
now you sound like an anti goodluck with that

edit: i have to add something, if you are one those people think "fiction does align reality" you are having a mental problem and thinking problem, thinking that your secretly crush in the office work lady and then you suddenly switch your brain mode to fiction mode and then you fantasize her in your fictional fapping world having sex with her, you might need to start reprocess your brain first because your fictional world will never be aligned to reality or worse your office crush lady suddenly accidentally overheard from you while fapping in a room then she might start to think that you're a creep.

well you have the right to not support it, but you cannot remove them since the early 90s when shota/lolis/cubs where they started and became popular in japan in a doujin circle before the WEST.

you know what i dont like from antis??? they are trying to sanitize the internet like fking hell, i miss the good ol' days of internet.

and if you were born in generation z and somewhat your in a part of the dumb anti group... im not surprised by then.
 
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Ion.TemUS

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now you sound like an anti goodluck with that

edit: i have to add something, if you are one those people think "fiction does align reality" you are having a mental problem and thinking problem, thinking that your secretly crush in the office work lady and then you suddenly switch your brain mode to fiction mode and then you fantasize her in your fictional fapping world having sex with her, you might need to start reprocess your brain first because your fictional world will never be aligned to reality or worse your office crush lady suddenly accidentally overheard from you while fapping in a room then she might start to think that you're a creep.

well you have the right to not support it, but you cannot remove them since the early 90s when shota/lolis/cubs where they started and became popular in japan in a doujin circle before the WEST.

you know what i dont like from antis??? they are trying to sanitize the internet like fking hell, i miss the good ol' days of internet.

and if you were born in generation z and somewhat your in a part of the dumb anti group... im not surprised by then.
It's alright bro. We have differing opinions. That is fine. I aint gonna start a war over this. Like I said, I have the right to dislike it, because I believe there are just things that are in bad taste. This game heavily skirts the line, but that doesn't mean I think it should be "banned" or some shit. Like I said, I only exercise my right to criticize it for it's elements.

I don't think fiction is the same as reality. But ficition in a way is an abstraction of reality, as in that it mirrors the perception and fantasies of the person who creates it (or the person who comissioned the creation). Most people can clearly differentiate the two and that is okay, but words and art have an impact on people, especially in a place where people have access to this stuff in an unregulated manner. It might not heavily influence the thinking of 90% of the people who play it, but it can for the few 10% that are left. I believe if you already have mental issues it can reinforce them, and to a degree I also beleive it can make people numb to the topic. Like people scrolling past CP on (irl) porn pages and just ignoring it because they want to find whatever it is they want to watch. Now obviously I don't condemn these people, it makes sense.

I'm not an anti, but I am a Psychologist, so I know that while it is not as "horrible" as some people make it out to be with their outrage culture, it is also not as harmless as some advocates would have you believe.

I think most people argue one way (pro) or another (anti) very heavily without much distinction because they have a personal stake in the debatte (they either enjoy the content and don't want to see it gone or regulated, or they find the content horrible and want it gone from the world. both responses are highly emotional). And while both sides might have good points, they often oversimplify the matter.

Anyway, like I said, Im not here to fight. And like I said, to a degree I think loli and shota are fine. What crosses the line for me is if creators empahsize the point that the character in question is an actual child by actually giving them a (very young) age in the story or calling them a child repeatedly, it highlights to me that their main focus lies in getting across to people that they are fapping to a child being fucked. That is what crosses the line for me personally. (And I don't even mean teenagers, okay? That is a grey area and its fine for the most part. I mean actual children).

L/S does have a right to exist to a degree, but I think this should be in a manner that does not overly reinforce and highlight that a character is an actual child. Like you (I think it was you) wrote in a previous post, there are adults that look very child-like. There should definitely be a niche to display those in any kind of media, sexual or not. But for me personally, there are limits.

Again, all I end up doing if these limits are crossed is express my displeasure and criticize it. I think that is my legitimate right to do so, as it is your right to criticize any other aspect of a game or media you consume. Free speech and all.

And yes, most forums have rules against loli/shota. They do not enforce them very heavily most of the time, and nobody meticulously vets the games that are on here because who has time to do that in their free time and unpaid. But it is generally not liked to have content on forums that overly focus on these tags.

Look, to each their own, you enjoy your game. I (and that other person you replied to) just said my piece about what we did not like about it.
 
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Lightrunner

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against shota/loli games??? dude then explain why there's straight shota games in f95zone and why they are allow?? again they are fictional game made not reality.
no about characters who are under 18 which there are in this game if you have paid attention to dialogue especially in the school where there are 12 year olds, the girls in the school who show you their ahem parts, are mentioned right before it as being 12
 

Lightrunner

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at the very beginning it shows you very clearly that 13 year olds already have sex in that village, which would put doubt on any "loli" being over 18 unless they specifically mention it Screenshot (47).png


and then the kids at school


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and these should violate rule 7,

"Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity or sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. "
there are more examples of that rule break, but i don't wanna play through the whole game just to find them all and prove it
 
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ejmuerte

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at the very beginning it shows you very clearly that 13 year olds already have sex in that village, which would put doubt on any "loli" being over 18 unless they specifically mention it View attachment 2577219


and then the kids at school


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and these should violate rule 7,

"Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity or sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. "
there are more examples of that rule break, but i don't wanna play through the whole game just to find them all and prove it
let me tell you this even straight shota games do mention how old is the shota like age of 12, just like the other game "summer memories" where the shota MC in the game mention his age.

but also your previous comment sounds very bias, it sounds like "shota is ok but loli is not ok" argument.
 

Lightrunner

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let me tell you this even straight shota games do mention how old is the shota like age of 12, just like the other game "summer memories" where the shota MC in the game mention his age.

but also your previous comment sounds very bias, it sounds like "shota is ok but loli is not ok" argument.
again neither is okay as it is literally ********** which is ILLEGAL. and makes you a pedophile, I know most loli in these games are over 18 but simply have a younger body, i do however not know if it is the same case for most shota as i don't follow those games and thus i simply lack information on that part. what i am focusing on isn't loli or shota but children being depicted in sexual activity which is a dedicated rule that is prohibited on this site

still it's pointless to argue about this as it's for the moderators and admins to deal with it if necessary
 
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ejmuerte

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again neither is okay as it is literally ********** which is ILLEGAL. and makes you a pedophile, I know most loli in these games are over 18 but simply have a younger body, i do however not know if it is the same case for most shota as i don't follow those games and thus i simply lack information on that part. what i am focusing on isn't loli or shota but children being depicted in sexual activity which is a dedicated rule that is prohibited on this site as you can see even after i typed in the word C orn it's blocked
this is just dumb your throwing your argument to legal argument is one the most shittiest comparison arguments i have ever encounter and the way i read your comment you sound like came from twitter attacking/harassing innocent shota/loli/cub artists.

again these type of games are OK and its FICTIONAL they dont depict real children
and i still cant believe your so obsess with age rating like who fking cares if you want 5k yrs old in loli body in fictional games.

because the rules here do apply shota/loli games are ok because they are FICTIONAL, the rule 7 argument is that if a game is made by in REAL LIFE and HIRED REAL children that will apply quickly banning thread game(this applies in 3D games,it is very debatable in 3D western in-game character models)
 

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Why after having sex with the heroine, in the status, it still says that she is still a virgin?
 

d4rkn3ss0000

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there is a difference between loli and pedo victims. loli's are adults who simply look younger than they are ( i know people irl over 20 who are like that) while the other is very obvious under 18 heck we specifically hear the ages 12 of some of them
Dude, thats not what a loli is. Loli's are a girl that have a baby face/young face, age doesn't have anything to do with being a loli or not. Thats why if it was an adult, we have legal loli term.

Fiction is not an excuse to sexualize prepubescent children. I will not call the police on anyone who draws and makes stories about minors, because it is art and nobody was hurt in the process, but I have the right to judge and criticize the work of art and not support it.
If you doesn't want to support it, just go and move on, there is no need to judge or criticize it. Or what? Are you trying to say that they should only made something that satisfied your needs? That just selfish, too selfish.
 
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Ion.TemUS

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If you doesn't want to support it, just go and move on, there is no need to judge or criticize it. Or what? Are you trying to say that they should only made something that satisfied your needs? That just selfish, too selfish.
I don't know how to answer that.
I was just replying to another user here who thinks they have to vehemently defend it as art and therefore free of criticizm.
Point is, I have displeasure with this element of the story. Not because it doesn't fit my needs, but because I think it is an immoral and disgusting depiction of something that should under no circumstance happen. I do believe there is things that media should not depict and this is one of them. And sure, I will move on. I mostly did already, if it wasn't for you quoting me that brought me back.
 

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I have one simple thing to say to people who want to give rights to a fictional 2D character that does not look realistic at all. Is your dildo or onahole at least 18 years old? If not you better go find yourself an antique 18+ year old masturbation toy otherwise your committing pedo according to your own stupid reasoning.
 

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I don't know how to answer that.
I was just replying to another user here who thinks they have to vehemently defend it as art and therefore free of criticizm.
Point is, I have displeasure with this element of the story. Not because it doesn't fit my needs, but because I think it is an immoral and disgusting depiction of something that should under no circumstance happen. I do believe there is things that media should not depict and this is one of them. And sure, I will move on. I mostly did already, if it wasn't for you quoting me that brought me back.
There's so much questionable to objectionable to downright abhorrent shit in this medium & JPN virtual porn in general that there's absolutely no use bothering to go into discussion about it. Especially morality discussions.

Haven't played this game, doesn't look like the characters involved are s'posed to be depicted as underage, as far as that discussion goes. But overall it's indeed like "don't like it? -> Move on" ya know.

Somehow, there's gotta be a market for many of those more extreme things I couldn't bring myself to bother with, let alone like, so I just skip those when they pass through. No need to make too much of a fuss about it really.
 

Ion.TemUS

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There's so much questionable to objectionable to downright abhorrent shit in this medium & JPN virtual porn in general that there's absolutely no use bothering to go into discussion about it. Especially morality discussions.
I generally agree on your first paragraph. I was just very disappointed the developer went that route (but like I said that specific developer seems to like this kind of genre). I was gonna write a review (which I did) and drop a comment in here (which I did) and then move on. But the other person Ive been writing with here took such a big issue with me disliking that part and being disapointed by it that they had to "make fun" of me and telling me I "need therapy" if I think that fiction can influence reality. Which, whole ass can of worms, but lets not get into this (I have seen enough 4chan threads, as well as actual people in therapy to know that not everyone can separate the two). There are good points to be made why it does, and even though it does not as much as some people (i.e. twitter and co) make it out to be, it still does to a degree. But I digress.


Haven't played this game, doesn't look like the characters involved are s'posed to be depicted as underage, as far as that discussion goes. But overall it's indeed like "don't like it? -> Move on" ya know.
Unfortunately I have played parts of it and it seems they are. The narration and dialogue repeatedly describes the people involved as being 12, 13, 15, etc. and uses expressions like "x year old pussy" and "the hole of a kid" (MTL ofc). But yea. I think Im definitely ready to move on now.

Somehow, there's gotta be a market for many of those more extreme things I couldn't bring myself to bother with, let alone like, so I just skip those when they pass through. No need to make too much of a fuss about it really.
Yea I think there will sadly always be a market for it. Idk if its a good or bad thing ultimately, it has both good and bad aspects. But I just don't get people who get offended by people just expressing their displeasure with it. It's not like I would stick around and continously repeat my point if people wouldn't feel the urge to refute it and make it out as ridiculous. I just think people shouldn't be deluding themselves and hide behind the "art should be 100% free and be able to depict anything" like a shield. Even if I would subscribe to that (I mostly do with some exceptions), I still think I should be free to say that I don't like it and why I don't like it without somebody defending this specific thing of all things. I wouldn't want to die on that hill, but whatever.

At least some people (you for example) can still reasonably talk about this and have a balanced perspective, instead of going all lynch mob with torches and pitchforks or defending it to the bitter end. There is a middle ground and too few people are able to see both sides of the argument.

And with that I am out. Everyone who wants to play this game, I genuinely wish you a lot of fun. Take care, be respectful to other people, and remember to differentiate between reality and fiction.
 
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